Putin: "Stick to the timeline!"

[Seight]

13 hours ago, matrixman124 said:

From a NYT article today

You think he's going to trust a media source like the New York Times that still prints their news on PAPER?!?

[NewBluntsworth]

12 hours ago, Sieg67 said:

Here's what happened.  It was suspected it was Russia's missile until we got more information.  Nabs needs to stop acting like it's some big hoo-ha conspiracy.

Here's what happened, a Ukranian missile killed people in Poland and Ukraine, in a dangerous act of escalation, lied to the world about it being Russia whose missile killed those people in Poland. 

 

 

[NewBluntsworth]

9 hours ago, tsar4 said:

You did notice that I said "If it was truly the weapon in question...", oh wait, it's you - of course you ignored it.

It was horseshit and I am seriously asking where you got that load, I genuinely would like to know. 

[NewBluntsworth]

8 hours ago, Seight said:

You think he's going to trust a media source like the New York Times that still prints their news on PAPER?!?

According to the NYT, this desperate lying mf Zelensky is still agitating for NATO to ramp up the warfare based on Ukraine's debunked lies about it being Russia that bombed Poland 

https://archive.ph/jR9i2

Source this NYT article links to for the quote - 

"Allow us, the perpetrators, to investigate our crime scene so that we may attempt to bolster our credibility when we invariably blame Russia for our mess"

Everyone else involved is at least polite enough to go with "well look, Russian rocket, Ukrainian rocket, what's the difference, at the end of the day this is Russia's war so it's their fault no matter what.."

Ukraine still fully on their bullshit like "no. NO. We do NOT accept the evidentiary reality that this was our missile. It had to be Russia. RUSSIA"

Edited November 17, 2022 by NewBluntsworth

[1pooh4u]

Poland said it wasn’t Russia pretty quickly they are still blaming Russia because if not for the invasion Ukraine wouldn’t have had to shoot down missiles 

[NewBluntsworth]

11 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

 they are still blaming Russia because if not for the invasion Ukraine wouldn’t have had to shoot down missiles 

Sure that's why Poland and USA and etc are still blaming Russia, "anything that happens is Russia's fault since they started this war," but Zelensky in Ukraine is still firmly in the fake news camp that it was Russia that bombed Poland and killed Polish people with a Russian missile. 

The rest of the world doesn't accept that to be the case, but Ukraine is still pushing their self-serving horseshit. 

Edited November 17, 2022 by NewBluntsworth

[1pooh4u]

1 hour ago, NewBluntsworth said:

Sure that's why Poland and USA and etc are still blaming Russia, "anything that happens is Russia's fault since they started this war," but Zelensky in Ukraine is still firmly in the fake news camp that it was Russia that bombed Poland and killed Polish people with a Russian missile. 

The rest of the world doesn't accept that to be the case, but Ukraine is still pushing their self-serving horseshit. 

Idk y Ukraine would stick to “we didn’t do it” when they’re not being blamed for it.  Poland is correct in blaming Russia. None of this would be happening had Ukraine not been invaded if you wanna dive deeper and say “well if these countries didn’t do X Russia would not be doing Y” that’s your choice. I’m not going there because I don’t believe anything that happened gave Putin the right to invade Ukraine 

[SwimModSponges]

[NewBluntsworth]

Just now, SwimModSponges said:

This is what was directly linked to in the NYT article I shared.

[SwimModSponges]

Yes, i know.

[NewBluntsworth]

17 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Idk y Ukraine would stick to “we didn’t do it” when they’re not being blamed for it.

Guilty people tend to lie. I'll say it again, it looks to me like Ukraine was getting hit hard and in desperation did something they probably were consulted by the CIA on and launched a missile into Poland in a desperate false flag to call time crying about omg look what "Russia" just did and agitate NATO into escalating its role in this protracted war.

 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/17/ukraine-says-its-not-to-blame-for-poland-missile-strike.html

 

Ukraine govt puffing out their chest claiming they are just itching to reveal their secret evidence that Russia is the one who fired that missile into Poland after all, but first they demand that their friends who are already making excuses for Ukraine's fuckup as a freak isolated accident show the proof that this was Ukraine's mess + allow the Ukranians into Poland to investigate their own crime scene. 

Zelensky is one funny 🤡

[NewBluntsworth]

Feels like we're only a couple news cycles away from Zelensky declaring that NATO is covering up evidence of Russian involvement and framing Ukraine in a bid to continue standing idly by and allowing Ukraine to lose this war, giving some big time "Nobody believes in us" green screen speech on the national propaganda network that will be seen by less than half the country because that's all who still have electricity anymore. 

This is getting very sad, they need to just cede Russia's land to Russia and wrap up this national ass whupping like what even our generals are saying. Sorry Ukraine but we already learned this lesson from WW1, we don't need to have another one on your account. A negotiated peace is always better than fighting a long drawn out losing war that could rapidly escalate into nuclear catastrophe at any time because "muh nationalist pride."

Edited November 17, 2022 by NewBluntsworth

[NewBluntsworth]

27 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

Yes, i know.

Ok so what was the point of pointing that out?

[matrixman124]

2 hours ago, NewBluntsworth said:

Sure that's why Poland and USA and etc are still blaming Russia, "anything that happens is Russia's fault since they started this war," but Zelensky in Ukraine is still firmly in the fake news camp that it was Russia that bombed Poland and killed Polish people with a Russian missile. 

The rest of the world doesn't accept that to be the case, but Ukraine is still pushing their self-serving horseshit. 

Who is launching missile barrages into Ukraine, a foreign sovereign nation? Isn't Ukraine acting in self defense? Ukraine didn't attack Poland on purpose. Poland and UN are not saying that Russia attacked Poland. Russia is attacking Ukraine. It's so bizarre how you keep insisting that Ukraine shouldn't defend itself anymore and just surrender.

[matrixman124]

14 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said:

Ok so what was the point of pointing that out?

Russia is pushing the narrative that it's a false flag.

[Jman]

29 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

Russia is pushing the narrative that it's a false flag.

It’s a pretty lousy one if everyone’s explanation is that it was indirectly Russia’s fault via a botched counter-attack rather than a direct attack from somewhere.

[SwimModSponges]

 

 

[matrixman124]

1 hour ago, Jman said:

It’s a pretty lousy one if everyone’s explanation is that it was indirectly Russia’s fault via a botched counter-attack rather than a direct attack from somewhere.

Zelenskyy would have to be completely brain dead to directly attack Poland. Why is Putin a logical benevolent global leader while Zelenskyy, the guy pushing an effective defensive campaign against him, an evil imbecile? It makes no sense.

[matrixman124]

hehehe

 

[scoobdog]

It's strange that Zelenskyy is insistent that the missile isn't Ukrainian, but there are plenty of more reasonable explanations as to why he would do that then a lame attempt at a false-flag operation.  It would seem to me that the most likely explanation is that he is attempting to control the war's narration.  Unquestionably, he's controlling how the message of his successes and failures are being presented, but, unlike Putin, he's also playing up strategic losses and using them to great benefit.  It gives the impression that his presentation of the war is more accurate which tends to disguise the fact that he has a critical interest in controlling what information gets out there.  It's also highly likely that one of the reasons why he would come out contrary to Poland's and the United States' explanation of the events is because he simply doesn't want to have anyone else providing that explanation.  It might sound petty, but its not insignificant how important having a single voice offering the narration, especially when that single voice is internal and not an outsider.

[matrixman124]

3 hours ago, scoobdog said:

It's strange that Zelenskyy is insistent that the missile isn't Ukrainian, but there are plenty of more reasonable explanations as to why he would do that then a lame attempt at a false-flag operation.  It would seem to me that the most likely explanation is that he is attempting to control the war's narration.  Unquestionably, he's controlling how the message of his successes and failures are being presented, but, unlike Putin, he's also playing up strategic losses and using them to great benefit.  It gives the impression that his presentation of the war is more accurate which tends to disguise the fact that he has a critical interest in controlling what information gets out there.  It's also highly likely that one of the reasons why he would come out contrary to Poland's and the United States' explanation of the events is because he simply doesn't want to have anyone else providing that explanation.  It might sound petty, but its not insignificant how important having a single voice offering the narration, especially when that single voice is internal and not an outsider.

Just a reminder that Ukraine is the underdog and Zelenskyy is very likely playing dirty to ensure Ukraine's survival. A morally grey area for sure.

[scoobdog]

3 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

Just a reminder that Ukraine is the underdog and Zelenskyy is very likely playing dirty to ensure Ukraine's survival. A morally grey area for sure.

I don't really see any gray area tactics:  his only mandate as an elected commander-in-chief is to maintain his country's independence by any means possible and he hasn't veered off into internal politics to do it, at least not yet.  His ability to narrate the war is how he's been able to hold the international coalition together, specifically because it eliminates the prospect of the United States, France, or Britain stepping in to dictate the war and creating the divisions that Putin intended.  Presumably, this odd bit of discord is more a result of Poland and the United States speaking out ahead of the Ukraine rather than any attempt to deflect blame for what is obviously a blameless act on their part.  

[Sieg67]

Let's think about this.  It was suggested that Russia wouldn't be stupid enough to bomb Poland but on that same note, why think Ukraine would be stupid enough to do false flag operation with a missile that can be traced back to them and why just one missile?

By the way, it looks like Zelensky has softened his position.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/3739815-zelensky-on-missile-blast-in-poland-i-dont-know-100-percent-what-happened/

Edited November 18, 2022 by Sieg67

[matrixman124]

16 minutes ago, Sieg67 said:

Let's think about this.  It was suggested that Russia wouldn't be stupid enough to bomb Poland but on that same note, why think Ukraine would be stupid enough to do false flag operation with a missile that can be traced back to them and why just one missile?

By the way, it looks like Zelensky has softened his position.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/3739815-zelensky-on-missile-blast-in-poland-i-dont-know-100-percent-what-happened/

That's what I mean.

[SwimModSponges]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/17/benton-trump-russian-vasilenko-guilty/

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GOP operative found guilty of funneling Russian money to Donald Trump

 

[Jman]

 

 

[tsar4]

Reported as a gas pipeline explosion in a town outside St Petersburg -

 

[SwimModSponges]

Bet it was poland.

[matrixman124]

15 hours ago, SwimModSponges said:

Bet it was poland.

[matrixman124]

@NewBluntsworth

 

[Seight]

On 11/19/2022 at 3:39 PM, SwimModSponges said:

Bet it was poland.

Spoiler

nah its Estonia, nobody would suspect them bruh

 

[tsar4]

 

[NewBluntsworth]

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Stephen Kotkin

@tsar4

 

[NewBluntsworth]

Ukrainian Nazis got really bold after 2013. Public beheadings, massacres of communists, and all the Nazi insignia you can shake a stick at. 

[scoobdog]

There is no evidence of extrajudicial "beheadings" or massacres by Ukrainian nationalists.

[Sieg67]

5 hours ago, NewBluntsworth said:

Ukrainian Nazis got really bold after 2013. Public beheadings, massacres of communists, and all the Nazi insignia you can shake a stick at. 

https://www.jpost.com/international/ukraine-says-nazi-display-at-mall-part-of-russian-information-warfare-581195

System got hacked, mall apologized and it turns out use of Nazi symbols is prohibited by the Ukrainian legislation.
Nabs got tricked by Russian propaganda?  Wowie.

[tsar4]

8 hours ago, NewBluntsworth said:

@tsar4

 

I would, but your feet are already in them.

[Jman]

 

Russia against Japan’s navy has me doubting this, not to mention all the allied nations stationed in Japan.  

[tsar4]

5 hours ago, Jman said:

 

Russia against Japan’s navy has me doubting this, not to mention all the allied nations stationed in Japan.  

I was just reading about it & coming here to post.  I cannot see a scenario where Russia takes that action and the US, China, Taiwan and the Koreas don't get involved and run it up to a complete "Wargames" fiasco.

[SwimModSponges]

Itn: putin is a scared little bitch who doesn't have the balls to launch a nuclear apocalypse. 

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-nuclear-weapons-war-leaked-fsb-letters-1762233

 

[tsar4]

On 11/25/2022 at 10:59 AM, SwimModSponges said:

Itn: putin is a scared little bitch who doesn't have the balls to launch a nuclear apocalypse. 

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-nuclear-weapons-war-leaked-fsb-letters-1762233

 

Hope his fear stays that way and doesn't change to "Well, I'm gonna die anyway so I'm taking everyone with me!"

[tsar4]

The Holodomor Remembered

Edit: used wrong link

Edited November 29, 2022 by tsar4

[NewBluntsworth]

28 minutes ago, tsar4 said:

The Holodomor Remembered

Edit: used wrong link

The holodomor was in no way a genocide and you should've just left the reddit link as that's where you get all of this garbage anyway. 

[scoobdog]

5 hours ago, tsar4 said:

The Holodomor Remembered

Edit: used wrong link

Not that such a claim was made in this thread, but government created famines do count as genocide.  Social engineering on the scale that both Mao and Stalin attempted following their respective revolutions were predicated on forced behavioral modification through a social and economic “reset”.  The resulting collapse is a feature rather than a byproduct, making widespread starvation and high fatality rates among vulnerable groups a factorable part of the equation.

[tsar4]

8 hours ago, scoobdog said:

Not that such a claim was made in this thread, but government created famines do count as genocide.  Social engineering on the scale that both Mao and Stalin attempted following their respective revolutions were predicated on forced behavioral modification through a social and economic “reset”.  The resulting collapse is a feature rather than a byproduct, making widespread starvation and high fatality rates among vulnerable groups a factorable part of the equation.

Don't forget the Brits, with the Potato Famine.

[NewBluntsworth]

1 hour ago, tsar4 said:

Don't forget the Brits, with the Potato Famine.

Also not a genocide by any stretch, you anti-communist clown. 

Ukraine embracing Nazism during WW2 and assisting Hitler in exterminating well over a million Ukrainian Jews, though, now that's genocidal. 

[scoobdog]

4 hours ago, tsar4 said:

Don't forget the Brits, with the Potato Famine.

Genocide is often and erroneously taken to be synonymous with ethnic cleansing.

[Sieg67]

12 hours ago, NewBluntsworth said:

Also not a genocide by any stretch, you anti-communist clown. 

Ukraine embracing Nazism during WW2 and assisting Hitler in exterminating well over a million Ukrainian Jews, though, now that's genocidal. 

genocide

: acts committed with intent to partially or wholly destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group

: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group


This can be done with means aside from murder.   One example would be forced assimilation. 
The US separated Native Americans from their families in an attempt to snub out their culture.  This is called cultural Genocide.

Side note..."Anti-Communist clown"?
Have you completely lost it?  Since when is communism good?

Edited November 30, 2022 by Sieg67

[NewBluntsworth]

8 hours ago, Sieg67 said:

acts committed with intent

Well, there you have it.

Unlike the genocide of Native Americans, the potato famine and the holodomor were not intentional acts of mass murder, ergo, not genocide. 

I'm glad you got to learn something today. 

8 hours ago, Sieg67 said:

Side note..."Anti-Communist clown"?
Have you completely lost it?  Since when is communism good?

Don't be a simpleton. Communism will win. 

[Seight]

11 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said:

 

Don't be a simpleton. Communism will win.