nameraka Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 I mean, I'm not looking, looking. but I regularly put out a several applications a week for positions that might be a step up and so far I'm not seeing any uptick in responses. then again, maybe I'm just a shitty candidate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabreezy Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, nameraka said: positions that might be a step up Well there's your issue. I'm pretty sure the labor shortage is mostly affecting "Real" jobs that are some combination of entry level, physically demanding, and low paying. Edited October 26, 2021 by Nabreezy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameraka Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Nabreezy said: Well there's your issue. I'm pretty sure the labor shortage is mostly affecting "Real" jobs that are some combination of entry level, physically demanding, and low paying. well... I have always wanted to deliver pizza... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameraka Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 Nearly half of American companies say they're short on skilled workers. https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/25/economy/business-conditions-worker-shortage/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 theres a hiring shortage of workers at my job right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabreezy Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, nameraka said: Nearly half of American companies say they're short on skilled workers. https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/25/economy/business-conditions-worker-shortage/index.html Idk what all these companies claiming this are but I think a majority of these skilled jobs going unfilled are occupations like nurses/healthcare workers and plumbers and construction workers and skilled manual laborers and stuff like that, moreso than white collar sit-down email jobs. Edited October 26, 2021 by Nabreezy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameraka Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 34 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said: theres a hiring shortage of workers at my job right now. cool. how much ass sitting time does that come with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 25 minutes ago, nameraka said: cool. how much ass sitting time does that come with? a lot. pretty long hours throughout the day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyBeardmane Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) Florida man's job search It's not an uncommon thing. It's almost like all the companies who are short on labor also don't want to pay people. Edited October 26, 2021 by GuyBeardmane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Yay The Black Hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 5 hours ago, GuyBeardmane said: It's almost like all the companies who are short on labor also don't want to pay people. I've been yelled at for using the phrase "labor shortage". "It's not a labor shortage, it's a wage shortage." Which I can't really argue with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyBeardmane Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 31 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: I've been yelled at for using the phrase "labor shortage". "It's not a labor shortage, it's a wage shortage." Which I can't really argue with that. Why they gotta yell, though? Yelling is for suckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 it was a rather stern choice of words over Facebook messenger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 We are currently short about 20+ seasonals [ and it's possible for a seasonal to become part-time / full-time here because we do lose people over the holidays due to winter graduations so seasonal is actually a good thing to be because you get the hours and the training and if you are good, you could stay on ]. We are also paying more per hour than most of the other hirings in the area for seasonal / part-time. But we get applications that look like they were filled out with a crayon, incomplete applications [ just putting your name and partial phone number on there doesn't count as an application ] , applications listing 5 jobs in 4 months, applications stating they want full time pay but list availability as a few hours a couple of days a week - NO WEEKENDS, and of course the dude who turned in an application and then showed up high as a kite and tried to stab people because he wasn't being allowed to shoplift shit. Just because it doesn't look like there's a shortage doesn't mean there isn't one. It just means the current employees are running their asses off in order to keep up appearances. -.-; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieg67 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 I am now part of that shortage. Two of my coworkers and I had enough of being overworked and underpaid so we all quit last week. The store now has no manager so it has been shut down for the last couple of days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 What I'm seeing mostly is, "here's a x job, but the description is a job doing x, y & z (and maybe a couple others)...but we'll only pay you for the x job". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 45 minutes ago, tsar4 said: What I'm seeing mostly is, "here's a x job, but the description is a job doing x, y & z (and maybe a couple others)...but we'll only pay you for the x job". When I was doing wage research on the area in order to try for getting our starting wages raised [ which at least worked even though we still can't get decent people in ] , there were places that wouldn't even say what they were going to start at or what would be required because pretty sure they were changing their starting wage based on the person's looks and gender and didn't want anyone to officially state that was happening. Hey Taco Bell. Just say your official starting wage and be done with it. You serve powdered meat product with hot sauce. The job isn't a state secret and neither should what you are willing to pay be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, katt_goddess said: When I was doing wage research on the area in order to try for getting our starting wages raised [ which at least worked even though we still can't get decent people in ] , there were places that wouldn't even say what they were going to start at or what would be required because pretty sure they were changing their starting wage based on the person's looks and gender and didn't want anyone to officially state that was happening. Hey Taco Bell. Just say your official starting wage and be done with it. You serve powdered meat product with hot sauce. The job isn't a state secret and neither should what you are willing to pay be. LinkedIn had an article taking companies to task for not posting salary ranges. The comnents, mostly HR people & a few CEOs agreed that it was a bad practice. The reason I always heard for not posting was that it was a "trap" question. If the applicant asked for too much they either thought too much of their abilities or didn't do the research on the going rate. Too low, and the applicant doesn't feel they are worth much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabreezy Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Sieg67 said: I am now part of that shortage. Two of my coworkers and I had enough of being overworked and underpaid so we all quit last week. The store now has no manager so it has been shut down for the last couple of days. Hell yeah ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabreezy Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 I just started a new job and found out by talking about my pay that I was making more than my supervisor who was training me who got hired a couple months before me. Needless to say they immediately threatened to quit immediately if they didn't get a raise which they of course got. Sheisty shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real_AirCooledGirl Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 There is no "labor shortage". Employers just don't want to pay a living wage. Pay people a living wage and they'll work--SIMPLE. Raise the minimum wage to $33 an hour whether anyone likes it or not, and index it to inflation from there. That's what the wage would be if worker pay kept pace with CEO pay. But Reagan and the Boomers who voted for him just had to keep wages stagnant. And for what? So they could kneecap their own descendants--Generations X, Y, and Z--and tell us it was for freedom? Fuck Reagan, fuck conservatives, and fuck the Boomers who sabotaged things for us younger generation people!"Personal finance"? You can't "personal finance" your way out of depressed wages! That shit is telling the peasants to eat cake because they don't have bread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, tsar4 said: LinkedIn had an article taking companies to task for not posting salary ranges. There's a bill moving in the NY legislature (I would expect it to pass next year) that would require employers to disclose a salary range upfront when posting job openings. A couple years ago they banned asking for prior salary history, on the grounds that it is used to undercut low earners which creates a repeating cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 23 hours ago, Raptorpat said: There's a bill moving in the NY legislature (I would expect it to pass next year) that would require employers to disclose a salary range upfront when posting job openings. A couple years ago they banned asking for prior salary history, on the grounds that it is used to undercut low earners which creates a repeating cycle. Every job should be straight forward about what they will start you at. Let there be room for advancement / raises based on actual performance but be upfront about that starting wage. If you can't, you look like you are trying to hide something and it's probably something that would bite you in the ass the second it goes public. We don't ask about prior salary at my store. It's not considered remotely relevant to getting hired because we tell you up front what the starting wages are for seasonal / part time and full time. If anything goes up for the average employee starting, everyone goes up. After the wage research resulted in raising the starting wages for people, everyone non-management who was already working got insta-raises too to match the new normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyturtles Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 My area has large amounts of job postings (this isn't new), but I've been noticing many more flyers hanging in convenience stores and fast food than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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