bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I decided to start studying Japanese again, just to do something refreshing for the new year. I took a kanji knowledge test and it said I know about 750 characters. Not bad for someone at the intermediate level. However, you need to know around 2.2k characters to be functionally literate. I made my mother, a native speaker who left Japan right after middle school, take the same test and it said she knows around 2.6k characters. And the average Japanese adult who graduated high school and stays in Japan knows over 3k characters. I got a lot of studying to do. 😐 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) Umm Help me then. I'm probably leagues behind though. I can't even remember all the hiragana anymore. 😢 I never wanted to stop, but when I got to the kanji part I just couldn't make time for the shit.. I remember discussing japanese grammar stuff and the syllabary with you here a lot while I was doing my computer learning stuff. Edited December 31, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said: Umm Help me then. I'm probably leagues behind though. I can't even remember all the hiragana anymore. 😢 I never wanted to stop, but when I got to the kanji part I just couldn't make time for the shit.. I remember discussing japanese grammar stuff and the syllabary with you here a lot while I was doing my computer learning stuff. Well the good news is that you don't have to learn how to write kanji. I only know how to write about half the ones I know. With computers and phones, it's not really necessary anymore. You should, however, learn how to write hiragana and katakana. Once you master reading and writing them, try wanikani to learn kanji. It's what I'm using now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, bnmjy said: Well the good news is that you don't have to learn how to write kanji. I only know how to write about half the ones I know. With computers and phones, it's not really necessary anymore. You should, however, learn how to write hiragana and katakana. Once you master reading and writing them, try wanikani to learn kanji. It's what I'm using now. Eh I've never even tried to write hiragana, but those are easy.. I still have my IME installed at least こにちわ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Yeah I fucking suck.. That IME makes shit harder than it should be anyway.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said: Eh I've never even tried to write hiragana, but those are easy.. I still have my IME installed at least こにちわ IMO, writing it really reinforces the sounds and helps you get used to the shapes. Also, it's こんにちは You have to press n two times to get an ん The は there is pronounced as a "wa" not a "ha" because it's a particle. Edited December 31, 2020 by bnmjy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I know the IME didn't want to generate the n=ん yeah.. I knew it was wrong though and just said fuck it.. I think it's because.. ん I got it though..**Sigh** IT's especially hard to use jumping back in forth to english..This IME google extension, but I get why I had trouble with the ん just now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 whats kanji? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said: I know the IME didn't want to generate the n=ん yeah.. I knew it was wrong though and just said fuck it.. I think it's because.. ん I got it though..**Sigh** IT's especially hard to use jumping back in forth to english..This IME google extension, but I get why I had trouble with the ん just now though. Just type in it more frequently and you'll get used to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Poof said: whats kanji? Chinese characters used in Japanese writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Here just for good measure.. こんちわ. Jeeze this thing still doesnt want to make the ん after こ it trips out and tries to use this..ン What is this--ン? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, bnmjy said: Chinese characters used in Japanese writing. posers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, PhilosipherStoned said: Here just for good measure.. こんちわ. Jeeze this thing still doesnt want to make the ん after こ it trips out and tries to use this..ン What is this--ン? ン is the katakana form of ん To type konnichiwa, you have to type konnnichiha. Try it now, lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Poof said: posers I mean they are adapted from chinese characters though arent they? It's not even the same thing using them in chinese I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Poof said: posers I mean Korean, and for a time Vietnamese, used Chinese characters too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, bnmjy said: I mean Korean, and for a time Vietnamese, used Chinese characters too. I think it tries to convert the hiragana to katakana when I type out the romaji so here goes.. コンニチハ？ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said: I think it tries to convert the hiragana to katakana when I type out the romaji so here goes.. コンニチハ？ Well, it's still technically correct, although unusual to see it written in katakana. こんにちは Edited December 31, 2020 by bnmjy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, bnmjy said: Well, it's still technically correct, although unusual to see it written in katakana. こんにちは Well why does this IME even want to go to katakana? I don't get it because I havent even learned the katakana yet, but it's mostly for words that are foriegn to japanese, but still used quite a bit in modern times right? Especially writing the names of foreign people I think, and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) Also the last symbol in konnichiwa is still 'ha' in hirigana even though it's not pronnounced that way..(as kon'nichiwa) or theres a weird thing with that as well.. Edited December 31, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, PhilosipherStoned said: Well why does this IME even want to go to katakana? I don't get it because I havent even learned the katakana yet, but it's mostly for words that are foriegn to japanese, but still used quite a bit in modern times right? Especially writing the names of foreign people I think, and so on. Yes, katakana is usually used for foreign words, although it can also be used to emphasize words. And it's not like IME is a smart AI or anything. It's completely reliant on your input and what you choose to display. I think you may need a quick tutorial on Japanese IME. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said: Also the last symbol in konnichiwa is still 'ha' in hirigana even though it's not pronnounced that way..(as kon'nichiwa) or theres a weird thing with that as well.. は can be pronounced as "wa" when it is used as a particle, which is the case in こんにちは 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bnmjy said: Yes, katakana is usually used for foreign words, although it can also be used to emphasize words. And it's not like IME is a smart AI or anything. It's completely reliant on your input and what you choose to display. I think you may need a quick tutorial on Japanese IME. Thanks.. Like I should do that, but like I said even though Kon'nichiwa is a basic word and greeting it's writing is weird or something.. It's not the only word that will trip me up like that trying to type with IME either though I realize. Edited December 31, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, PhilosipherStoned said: Thanks.. Like I should do that, but like I said even though Kon'nichiwa is a basic word and greeting it's writing is weird or something.. It;s nnot the only word that will trip me up like that trying to type with IME either though I realize. You'll eventually get used to it. The fortunate thing about typing in Japanese is that it's highly phonetic. No need to memorize unusual spellings or any of that like in English. The hard part, when you get to kanji, is choosing the right character, but IME usually gives you the most common character in context. All I can say is practice makes perfect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seight Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I like the one that looks like a smiley face. This is the extent of my knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Seight said: I like the one that looks like a smiley face. This is the extent of my knowledge I think you're referring to ツ which is katakana, not kanji. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, bnmjy said: I think you're referring to ツ which is katakana, not kanji. You're Killjoy. I knew it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, Sawdamizer said: You're Killjoy. I knew it. No. He was incredibly rude to Japanese learners. I actually try to help others learn, lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, bnmjy said: No. He was incredibly rude to Japanese learners. I actually try to help others learn, lol He is the whitest dude to school the world on Japanese culture 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I had to give up on Japanese and just focus on Spanish. I went back to check it out on Duolingo, but they changed their teaching methods and I don’t like it. They used to teach individual characters and demonstrate how they sound, but now they just throw you in the pool and yell “swim bitch” 😑 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: I had to give up on Japanese and just focus on Spanish. I went back to check it out on Duolingo, but they changed their teaching methods and I don’t like it. They used to teach individual characters and demonstrate how they sound, but now they just throw you in the pool and yell “swim bitch” 😑 To be honest, unless you want to say simple phrases as a party trick, I think duolingo for any language is shit. I tried Arabic just to see how they teach their script and it was quite awful. We were taught our ABCs individually when were children. Learning a different script as an adult would be no different. I actually want to learn Spanish after I reach a higher level of proficiency in Japanese. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, bnmjy said: To be honest, unless you want to say simple phrases as a party trick, I think duolingo for any language is shit. I tried Arabic just to see how they teach their script and it was quite awful. We were taught our ABCs individually when were children. Learning a different script as an adult would be no different. I actually want to learn Spanish after I reach a higher level of proficiency in Japanese. It’s fine and correct for Spanish. Horrible for language that use different alphabets. Hebrew is equally bad and I am familiar with the alphabet, but again they no longer teach by alphabet. Duolingo is good but you gotta involve other things, like reading newspapers and watching television Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieg67 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I've also been learning the last couple of months but I'm still very much a beginner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieg67 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 21 hours ago, PhilosipherStoned said: I mean they are adapted from chinese characters though arent they? It's not even the same thing using them in chinese I'm sure. I read that the Chinese had their writing system 2k years before Japan. Japan adopted theirs from China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieg67 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: I had to give up on Japanese and just focus on Spanish. I went back to check it out on Duolingo, but they changed their teaching methods and I don’t like it. They used to teach individual characters and demonstrate how they sound, but now they just throw you in the pool and yell “swim bitch” 😑 Their app has a character option and it sounds them off when you press on them. They also give you tips which admittedly I skip most of the time. The service recommends writing down the characters but I haven't been doing that either. Probably should. Edited January 1, 2021 by Sieg67 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortir Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Sorry the only Japanese words that I am familiary with are dagashi and dakimakura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panic Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I used WaniKani when I started learning kanji. Forgotten most of it at this point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 22 minutes ago, panic said: I used WaniKani when I started learning kanji. Forgotten most of it at this point though. Did you make it to level 60? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Sieg67 said: Their app has a character option and it sounds them off when you press on them. They also give you tips which admittedly I skip most of the time. The service recommends writing down the characters but I haven't been doing that either. Probably should. So was that what it is now? I didn’t really get deep back into it. I’m really focused on learning Spanish so I can better my employment options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpgamer Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Mortir said: Sorry the only Japanese words that I am familiary with are dagashi and dakimakura. A couple more easy ones: Konichiwhat's up? Arigathanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) I like the tips. I’m one of those learners when it’s explained to me why something is a way. Idk if that makes sense but I look through them Edited January 1, 2021 by 1pooh4u Lol I like the tips 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieg67 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1pooh4u said: So was that what it is now? I didn’t really get deep back into it. I’m really focused on learning Spanish so I can better my employment options General classes are a combination of learning characters and words then throwing you into a raging fire equipped with a squirt gun. Some of the lessons can be difficult at first but you start getting it towards the end. Again, I generally forgo the tips which would likely help. The character option is on a separate tab thing at the bottom of the app and it has you draw every new character they introduce on the screen. Haven't seen it on the desktop site yet. I'm focusing more on the characters now and mixing in a few general lessons. Edited January 1, 2021 by Sieg67 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Sieg67 said: General classes are a combination of learning characters and words then throwing you into a raging fire equipped with a squirt gun. Some of the lessons can be difficult at first but you start getting it towards the end. Again, I generally forgo the tips which would likely help. The character option is on a separate tab thing at the bottom of the app and it has you draw every new character they introduce on the screen. Haven't seen it on the desktop site yet. I'm focusing more on the characters now and mixing in a few general lessons. Do you pay for Duolingo? Just wondering if that’s an option for both free, and paid use? I haven’t gotten the plus version, but if it’s something available on both I could get into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieg67 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: Do you pay for Duolingo? Just wondering if that’s an option for both free, and paid use? I haven’t gotten the plus version, but if it’s something available on both I could get into that. Nope. I pay for none of my phone apps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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