Naraku4656 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 this sounds like it would be the start of a smart ass comment but it's not intended to be. @Poof made a comment in a thread of mine about Michael Bay and it got me thinking about this. I would imagine that they SHOULD be eligible, but I'm not sure if that's a person to person thing or if it's an industry wide standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Nothing is standard. But do you mean bc of covid or the exploding cum? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I'm an idiot. And I googled exploding cum for a funny gif... and now my penis moved... so I don't know whats happening... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainyDayJizz#35 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I read some news about this, some are going cheap for business and others are going high for risk, it's a personal decision as far as prostitution goes, less where it's legal in America but most of those women probably have their guys they allow in their home and don't just see at the brothel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapinator_X Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Ideally they should, but it would also require the law to have protection for those involved with sex work. The first step would be to make sure that you’re not either laughed off or arrested for coming to the authorities for protection as someone in sex work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Poof said: Nothing is standard. But do you mean bc of covid or the exploding cum? covid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Naraku4656 said: covid If I'm taking a flight yea u better believe it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Poof said: If I'm taking a flight yea u better believe it good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Eligible under what standard? First there has to be a standard/framework to provide hazard pay to begin with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Ugh... who brought the nerd 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I have no idea how that would work. This is only ancillary to discussion, but it's worth knowing how sex workers in legal brothels have been dealing with this. The thing about sex work is that it isn't just sex - it's companionship and that is something that is essential in its own right. It highlights the fact that what is deemed essential and what is not deemed essential is not based on what people actually need as much as what is needed to support the infrastructure. Otherwise, my line of work wouldn't be essential in California (as it is not in other places). Solely on the metric that sex workers can claim to be essential and that their line of work entails a level of close contact that would mandate protections that exceed what any worker besides one in the medical profession might entail, then they would certainly need hazard pay . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, scoobdog said: I have no idea how that would work. This is only ancillary to discussion, but it's worth knowing how sex workers in legal brothels have been dealing with this. The thing about sex work is that it isn't just sex - it's companionship and that is something that is essential in its own right. It highlights the fact that what is deemed essential and what is not deemed essential is not based on what people actually need as much as what is needed to support the infrastructure. Otherwise, my line of work wouldn't be essential in California (as it is not in other places). Solely on the metric that sex workers can claim to be essential and that their line of work entails a level of close contact that would mandate protections that exceed what any worker besides one in the medical profession might entail, then they would certainly need hazard pay . This is stupid... You pay em to leave.... safely! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Sawdamizer said: This is stupid... Is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, scoobdog said: Is it? Yes. Erm.. I mean, yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 C'mon, man. We don't get decent thought exercises that much around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, scoobdog said: C'mon, man. We don't get decent thought exercises that much around here. We ain't getting it from shit Naraku 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 His girlfriends should get hazard pay... without the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, scoobdog said: His girlfriends should get hazard pay... without the pandemic. Heeeaaaaaard that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: Eligible under what standard? First there has to be a standard/framework to provide hazard pay to begin with. industries can come up with their own standards without necessarily having to rely on something else to make it for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Naraku4656 said: industries can come up with their own standards without necessarily having to rely on something else to make it for them. Given this as the foundation, the answer to the OP question is "given hazard pay for essential workers has not been required by state or federal government, a sex worker would be eligible for hazard pay if the sex work industry has its own voluntary hazard pay standards that deem sex workers as eligible for hazard pay." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: Given this as the foundation, the answer to the OP question is "given hazard pay for essential workers has not been required by state or federal government, a sex worker would be eligible for hazard pay if the sex work industry has its own voluntary hazard pay standards that deem sex workers as eligible for hazard pay." hence why i said industry standard and not regulations. i guess we could pare it down to company standard if we want to be really anal. since it really depends upon the company, assuming this is all on the books and not under the table Edited August 3, 2020 by Naraku4656 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: a sex worker would be eligible for hazard pay if the sex work industry has its own voluntary hazard pay standards that deem sex workers as eligible for hazard pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, Sawdamizer said: We ain't getting it from shit Naraku i'm sure there's another packard thread in DF that needs your attention if you're so willing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Naraku4656 said: i'm sure there's another packard thread in DF that needs your attention if you're so willing Check your tone, girl... use your inside voice when you speak to me... use your outside voice, and ill take ya outside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Sawdamizer said: Check your tone, girl... use your inside voice when you speak to me... use your outside voice, and ill take ya outside. let's go outside and really make Heaven a place on Earth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainyDayJizz#35 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Naraku4656 said: hence why i said industry standard and not regulations. i guess we could pare it down to company standard if we want to be really anal. since it really depends upon the company, assuming this is all on the books and not under the table Here's the thing, in all sex work you can say the contract is negotiated at every job, even illegal sex work. So the choice to include hazard pay is negotiated before each job by an agent or the person themself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, Naraku4656 said: let's go outside and really make Heaven a place on Earth fMCkqck.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, RainyDayJizz#35 said: Here's the thing, in all sex work you can say the contract is negotiated at every job, even illegal sex work. So the choice to include hazard pay is negotiated before each job by an agent or the person themself. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, Naraku4656 said: industries can come up with their own standards without necessarily having to rely on something else to make it for them. Okay, serious Scoob. I don't see why standards need to be set by the industry, when there is an objective reference for hazard pay. It's not like you're being paid hazard just because its hazardous: there are requirements that any one person might need in a given situation that they might need to maintain the minimum hazard exposure required for the job, and hazard pay ostensibly goes to compensating the worker for meeting those demands. The specific implementation of those measures might be specific to that job, but the components applied to that implementation would still be universal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainyDayJizz#35 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sawdamizer said: This. In the article I read some women said they were being offered 3 to 5 times usual price and it was too good to pass up. Three guys in a month and all her bills are paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, RainyDayJizz#35 said: In the article I read some women said they were being offered 3 to 5 times usual price and it was too good to pass up. Three guys in a month and all her bills are paid. And cops aren't setting up stings either.... low risk (cops...not covid) high reward (money not covid) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, scoobdog said: Okay, serious Scoob. I don't see why standards need to be set by the industry, when there is an objective reference for hazard pay. It's not like you're being paid hazard just because its hazardous: there are requirements that any one person might need in a given situation that they might need to maintain the minimum hazard exposure required for the job, and hazard pay ostensibly goes to compensating the worker for meeting those demands. The specific implementation of those measures might be specific to that job, but the components applied to that implementation would still be universal. well if the standards are set by industry then it's much easier to decline work when the pay isn't up to par. rather than throwing a dart at which companies do and which ones don't Edited August 3, 2020 by Naraku4656 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupin_bebop Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 SHOULD they be eligible? Yes. WOULD they be? Not in 38 of the 50 states. In 9 of the other 12, they can't even be called "workers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, Naraku4656 said: well if the standards are set by industry then it's much easier to decline work when the pay isn't up to par. rather than throwing a dart at which companies do and which ones don't We only have a very limited scope as to which to judge this since prostitution is legal in only in some counties in Nevada, and the licensing of such is not standardized from county to county. Assuming its in one of these few places, the standards would be set by the county licensing agency. Otherwise, there doesn't need to be standards because, like someone already mentioned, illegal prostitiution is individual contracts negotiated at the time of engagement and hazard is factored in as part of supply costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, scoobdog said: We only have a very limited scope as to which to judge this since prostitution is legal in only in some counties in Nevada, and the licensing of such is not standardized from county to county. Assuming its in one of these few places, the standards would be set by the county licensing agency. Otherwise, there doesn't need to be standards because, like someone already mentioned, illegal prostitiution is individual contracts negotiated at the time of engagement and hazard is factored in as part of supply costs. i wasn't referring to just prostitution. People who work in porn also count as sex workers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, Naraku4656 said: i wasn't referring to just prostitution. People who work in porn also count as sex workers The same applies. Adult films are subject to at least some regulations, and that mechanism would still apply for something like hazard pay. But, as I mentioned above, you don't necessarily need an industry standard when the its a similar mechanism as another industry (such as the film industry as a whole) because industries that are not specifically regulated fall under general OSHA regulations. What constitutes a hazard in this pandemic isn't dependent on the industry, it's dependent on the situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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