Back in my day, explicit sexual content used to mean something.

[PokeNirvash]

I'd have put this in rants, but since it's Toonami related, I thought I'd bring it up here instead. Y'all probably won't care, but after what I saw, I just need to vent about this.

[inhales]

TV-MAS used to be a holy grail of a rating on [adult swim]. Very rarely did it pop up, but when it did, it was glorious. The episodes that used that rating were memorable in their own way. The porn industry episode of Stroker & Hoop, the Black Dynamite pilot, that Aqua Teen episode where Shake got tentacle raped because of a T-shirt... Good times.

But then Kill la Kill happened, and thereafter ruined the mystique of the TV-MAS rating. But I didn't mind. While that subrating still popped up occasionally here and there in various [as] originals, it remained a non-issue.

Until Food Wars came and turned the rating into an absolute joke. Not just through gross use of the same rating for every single episode a la fellow Sentai series Akame ga KILL!, but through the stigma carried alongside it creeping into the other Toonami shows surrounding it. Just yesterday we had episode 2 of Dr. Stone get a TV-MAS, if only for extremely brief nudity of Yuzuriha that lasted only a second (and maybe Taiju trying to tell Senku she's not a dickgirl like he assumed he implied she was). And now, next week, we're getting not one...

...not two...

...but THREE TV-MAS episodes on Toonami.

And that last one barely makes any sense at all. Seriously? Boruto - fucking Naruto's son, a literal kids show - deserving of a rating normally reserved for profanity-free skin flicks? Fire Force, I can understand (thanks, spoilers), but this is just asinine in all caps!

The solution to this epidemic is obvious: we have to tell the old farts staffing Turner S&P that the dark ages are over and fanservice is not some scary thing like they've deluded themselves and Demarco into believing. Either that or just fire their asses and put people who actually give a damn about accurate content ratings in charge. Really, they should just hire Blatch, RogerSmith2004 and myself, because apparently we know content ratings better than a room of suits to pussy to handle the first 9 minutes of Elfen Lied.

[exhales]

Edited September 1, 2019 by PokeNirvash

[helpme]

That episode of boruto doesn't even have anything close to an ma-s in it 

[Sketch]

7 hours ago, PokeNirvash said:

I'd have put this in rants, but since it's Toonami related, I thought I'd bring it up here instead. Y'all probably won't care, but after what I saw, I just need to vent about this.

[inhales]

TV-MAS used to be a holy grail of a rating on [adult swim]. Very rarely did it pop up, but when it did, it was glorious. The episodes that used that rating were memorable in their own way. The porn industry episode of Stroker & Hoop, the Black Dynamite pilot, that Aqua Teen episode where Shake got tentacle raped because of a T-shirt... Good times.

But then Kill la Kill happened, and thereafter ruined the mystique of the TV-MAS rating. But I didn't mind. While that subrating still popped up occasionally here and there in various [as] originals, it remained a non-issue.

Until Food Wars came and turned the rating into an absolute joke. Not just through gross use of the same rating for every single episode a la fellow Sentai series Akame ga KILL!, but through the stigma carried alongside it creeping into the other Toonami shows surrounding it. Just yesterday we had episode 2 of Dr. Stone get a TV-MAS, if only for extremely brief nudity of Yuzuriha that lasted only a second (and maybe Taiju trying to tell Senku she's not a dickgirl like he assumed he implied she was). And now, next week, we're getting not one...

...not two...

...but THREE TV-MAS episodes on Toonami.

And that last one barely makes any sense at all. Seriously? Boruto - fucking Naruto's son, a literal kids show - deserving of a rating normally reserved for profanity-free skin flicks? Fire Force, I can understand (thanks, spoilers), but this is just asinine in all caps!

The solution to this epidemic is obvious: we have to tell the old farts staffing Turner S&P that the dark ages are over and fanservice is not some scary thing like they've deluded themselves and Demarco into believing. Either that or just fire their asses and put people who actually give a damn about accurate content ratings in charge. Really, they should just hire Blatch, RogerSmith2004 and myself, because apparently we know content ratings better than a room of suits to pussy to handle the first 9 minutes of Elfen Lied.

[exhales]

A Boruto episode... seriously? And Dr. Stone definitely did not need a TV-MA.

Some episodes of Food Wars (uncensored) should have a TV-MA rating but not every single episode much less episodes that are edited for content.

I guess I’d rather have MA rated episodes than censored ones so if MA is what it takes to air Food Wars without more edits, then so be it.

[Blatch]

Now that's the Poke I've always respected and treasured. Nice rant. 😝

I think some of the MAS ratings for Food Wars! are warranted, as they depict people basically orgasming (and explicit sexual content doesn't just have to be frontal nudity), but I do think the show could be rated more judiciously. If they aren't giving it the AgK treatment because another Sentai show is on the way, there's no excuse. And the other MASes are probably mas-sive overreactions.

I'm not too jazzed about the state of Toonami right now, but I've drifted away from content ratings a bit and have started looking at the block and how it's objectively run. I hate how some of the current bumps have been continuously used since April, and they probably aren't going to change until at least DB Super ends. But I do still follow the ratings a bit and assign them to every other series I watch... and speaking of that, I should probably get back to my general thread I haven't posted a new review of Log Horizon in for over a year.

[CatSoul]

By my standards (and Sentai's) Food Wars is TV-14, but I understand Toonami playing it safe with the MA-S...most weeks. As we get later into the season, there are a few episodes with very little to no fanservice. If they slap an MA-S on those, that's just laziness.

Edited September 2, 2019 by CatSoul

[PokeNirvash]

11 hours ago, Blatch said:

Now that's the Poke I've always respected and treasured. Nice rant. 😝

I think some of the MAS ratings for Food Wars! are warranted, as they depict people basically orgasming (and explicit sexual content doesn't just have to be frontal nudity), but I do think the show could be rated more judiciously. If they aren't giving it the AgK treatment because another Sentai show is on the way, there's no excuse. And the other MASes are probably mas-sive overreactions.

I'm not too jazzed about the state of Toonami right now, but I've drifted away from content ratings a bit and have started looking at the block and how it's objectively run. I hate how some of the current bumps have been continuously used since April, and they probably aren't going to change until at least DB Super ends. But I do still follow the ratings a bit and assign them to every other series I watch... and speaking of that, I should probably get back to my general thread I haven't posted a new review of Log Horizon in for over a year.

Thanks!

Yeah, ever since I started watching more anime beyond what's televised in America, ratings have been more of a personal hobby than a television analysis, though I pay plenty of attention to the latter when it counts. As for the general thread, we might need to create a new one, seeing how we left the last one rotting for a year and I'd like to have it focus less as a blogging thread and more as a discussion on interesting ratings that stand out in the shows we rate. Hell, my last post I planned is probably no longer intact, and I don't wanna go through the trouble of writing it all up again.

Spoiler

Really, all that needs to be said are as follows: Thomas probably ate like a pig and farted in public to scare Kazuya away from his and Tsukushi's "date" (Boys Over Flowers 14), Sakurako is a c-word (Boys Over Flowers 15), and I'm honestly surprised Ganessa survived to the end of Freezing, especially after we had the cast going through the various stages of grief for her fake-out sacrifice (Freezing 12).

And here are the screencaps, because I didn't get the chance to post them either.

 

[Daos]

Food Wars... rated R for mermaid sex.

[ben0119]

Maybe their pussification explains editing the Lucky Lecher Lure!  Still inconsistent with all the other stuff that's been allowed to fly over the years, though!  All I can come up with is because Shinra's hands went under Tamaki's clothes.

What has been edited from Food Wars?

Also I hear the fan service gets naturally toned down even in the uncut version (as it was in the manga, apparently) as it goes along.  Whether through edits, or the series doing it on its own, talk about giving even less reasons to watch that show!

[The1gairon]

3 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Maybe their pussification explains editing the Lucky Lecher Lure!  Still inconsistent with all the other stuff that's been allowed to fly over the years, though!  All I can come up with is because Shinra's hands went under Tamaki's clothes.

What has been edited from Food Wars?

Also I hear the fan service gets naturally toned down even in the uncut version (as it was in the manga, apparently) as it goes along.  Whether through edits, or the series doing it on its own, talk about giving even less reasons to watch that show!

Speak of that,

The Lure comes back once each time in Episode 5 and 6, so be prepared to rant online for 2 hours about those weeks too.

[korosu]

5 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Maybe their pussification explains editing the Lucky Lecher Lure!  Still inconsistent with all the other stuff that's been allowed to fly over the years, though!  All I can come up with is because Shinra's hands went under Tamaki's clothes.

What has been edited from Food Wars?

Also I hear the fan service gets naturally toned down even in the uncut version (as it was in the manga, apparently) as it goes along.  Whether through edits, or the series doing it on its own, talk about giving even less reasons to watch that show!

FUNimation sent them an edited copy of the episode like they did with the first episode of MHA. DeMarco said they did not edit it. Seems this has stopped for Fire Force, but who's to say FUNimation won't pull that nonsense a third time.

Tentacle penetration in the first episode was cut.

Edited September 2, 2019 by korosu

[The1gairon]

7 minutes ago, korosu said:

FUNimation sent them an edited copy of the episode like they did with the first episode of MHA. DeMarco said they did not edit it. Seems this has stopped for Fire Force, but who's to say FUNimation won't pull that nonsense a third time.

Tentacle penetration in the first episode was cut.

The only reason it stopped since then is because Tamaki so far hasn't gotten into any situation like that.

 

But she will.

[ben0119]

On 9/2/2019 at 5:10 PM, korosu said:

FUNimation sent them an edited copy of the episode like they did with the first episode of MHA. DeMarco said they did not edit it. Seems this has stopped for Fire Force, but who's to say FUNimation won't pull that nonsense a third time.

Tentacle penetration in the first episode was cut.

Where was this said that Funimation was responsible and not Adult Swim?  All I remember him saying was "we're not editing Fire Force."  Does that mean we as in Toonami, Adult Swim, or S&P?  If S&P did it he can still say "wasn't us lol" and be referring to S&P and that doesn't mean Funimation did it.  But that means nothing anyway because he has claimed they weren't responsible for cutting the post-credits AoT scene and it turned out they were.  So it's clear he doesn't exactly run a tight ship as he doesn't even know what's going on there and just assumes it's not on him because no way do they ever fuck up at Adult Swim and Toonami or do stupid shit.

In fact, we already had this discussion in that thread -

https://unevenedge.com/topic/44066-fire-force-episode-3-discussion/?do=findComment&comment=826471

https://unevenedge.com/topic/44066-fire-force-episode-3-discussion/?do=findComment&comment=828828

https://unevenedge.com/topic/44066-fire-force-episode-3-discussion/?do=findComment&comment=828959

Demarco was covering his ass but still didn't really explain what was going on.  Just "lol wasn't us!"

Tentacle penetration?

Edited September 7, 2019 by ben0119

[ben0119]

On 9/2/2019 at 3:17 PM, elfie said:

Speak of that,

 

  Hide contents

The Lure comes back once each time in Episode 5 and 6, so be prepared to rant online for 2 hours about those weeks too.

 

Uhh I don't remember Tamaki being in those episodes?

[korosu]

35 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

Where was this said that Funimation was responsible and not Adult Swim?  All I remember him saying was "we're not editing Fire Force."  Does that mean we as in Toonami, Adult Swim, or S&P?  If S&P did it he can still say "wasn't us lol" and be referring to S&P and that doesn't mean Funimation did it.

Tentacle penetration?

Toonami, Adult Swim, and the S&P department are one entity.

[CountFrylock]

for a block called adultswim they sure do hate fanservice

[The1gairon]

The adult in Adult Swim is a lieee.

[Top Gun]

9 hours ago, CountFrylock said:

for a block called adultswim they sure do hate fanservice

*block is currently showing a series where people have foodgasms every episode and another series where a girl literally only exists to get molested oh and then there's the all-time sexpot Fujiko Mine*

"Hates fanservice"

Edited September 8, 2019 by Top Gun

[Sketch]

On 9/6/2019 at 11:12 PM, korosu said:

Toonami, Adult Swim, and the S&P department are one entity.

They actually are not. The Toonami crew and Adult Swim’s standards department are not the same people. Content is looked over by S&P and edited by them S&P’s video editors if necessary.

[CountFrylock]

4 hours ago, Top Gun said:

*block is currently showing a series where people have foodgasms every episode and another series where a girl literally only exists to get molested oh and then there's the all-time sexpot Fujiko Mine*

"Hates fanservice"

considering the kind of bizarre crap that spins out from adultswim's originals I'm surprised when stuff that's nowhere near that raises the red flag for them on toonami

 

 

[PokeNirvash]

4 hours ago, Top Gun said:

*block is currently showing a series where people have foodgasms every episode and another series where a girl literally only exists to get molested oh and then there's the all-time sexpot Fujiko Mine*

"Hates fanservice"

Demarco said himself that he dislikes ecchi. He only airs stuff with it if he likes it beyond that (KLK, Lupin), the fanservice is absent from the first couple of episodes so he doesn't know it was there (Code Geass, Fire Force), or like I believe to be the case with Food Wars, he picks it up in a panic to replace a supposedly secure license he somehow lost.

[korosu]

7 hours ago, Sketch said:

They actually are not. The Toonami crew and Adult Swim’s standards department are not the same people. Content is looked over by S&P and edited by them S&P’s video editors if necessary.

when DeMarco says "we didn't edit x" he is talking about S&P which dictates program edits. it's Toonami/Adult Swim/S&P/Program Edits vs. Distributor. the Toonami crew do not edit any shows. he isn't talking about the Toonami crew. this is incredibly easy to grasp.

Edited September 8, 2019 by korosu

[PokeNirvash]

We don't know who edited Fire Force. All we know is that the Toonami crew themselves weren't behind it, as far as Demarco's aware.

[korosu]

10 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

We don't know who edited Fire Force. All we know is that the Toonami crew themselves weren't behind it, as far as Demarco's aware.

the "Toonami crew" isn't behind any edits. he's talking about the people who edit their shows at adult swim. he says it wasn't them, so it has to be FUNi.

[Sketch]

13 hours ago, korosu said:

the "Toonami crew" isn't behind any edits. he's talking about the people who edit their shows at adult swim. he says it wasn't them, so it has to be FUNi.

But that's where the statement "it wasn't us" isn't quite specific enough. Because he could be saying the Toonami editors didn't touch Fire Force (because they don't edit for content in general) but he could also be saying Adult Swim S&P didn't edit Fire Force. Because he wasn't specific with "us" it's not certain if he responding to the question from the perspective of "Toonami doesn't edit, it wasn't us" or from the perspective of "Adult Swim S&P didn't edit it, ergo it had to be FUNimation that did it". He could be saying two very different things with that response. So it feels like he's avoiding giving a clear-cut answer but maybe he just thought "it wasn't us" was an adequate reply that assumed people already understood Toonami editors don't edit the shows for content. Which would mean he's saying FUNimation made the edits.

[Sketch]

20 hours ago, PokeNirvash said:

Demarco said himself that he dislikes ecchi. He only airs stuff with it if he likes it beyond that (KLK, Lupin), the fanservice is absent from the first couple of episodes so he doesn't know it was there (Code Geass, Fire Force), or like I believe to be the case with Food Wars, he picks it up in a panic to replace a supposedly secure license he somehow lost.

I keep seeing this narrative that DeMarco didn't know what he was getting into with Food Wars but he talked about liking Food Wars during Toonami Pre-Flight. So I'm pretty sure he knew about the foodgasms and felt the show still had merit. What he wasn't aware of, at the time, was that Food Wars was dubbed. The show might have popped up on Toonami a bit sooner if he and Gill had known it was already dubbed.

It's entirely possible it was still a last minute replacement show despite that but I honestly don't think he's having buyers remorse or anything. I also figure that they grabbed Food Wars because it could fill a slot for a while.

Fire Force though? I wouldn't doubt that he had not seen more than maybe an episode or two before grabbing it. Probably the same goes for Dr. Stone and Demon Slayer.

[Jman]

15 hours ago, korosu said:

the "Toonami crew" isn't behind any edits. he's talking about the people who edit their shows at adult swim. he says it wasn't them, so it has to be FUNi.

I’ve said it before but it’s perfectly plausible FUNi edited it to promote their own streaming services and left Toonami holding the bag, or they edited it harshly in advance because no one wants to do more work because Standards and Practices rejected the first cut.

[korosu]

17 hours ago, Sketch said:

But that's where the statement "it wasn't us" isn't quite specific enough. Because he could be saying the Toonami editors didn't touch Fire Force (because they don't edit for content in general) but he could also be saying Adult Swim S&P didn't edit Fire Force. Because he wasn't specific with "us" it's not certain if he responding to the question from the perspective of "Toonami doesn't edit, it wasn't us" or from the perspective of "Adult Swim S&P didn't edit it, ergo it had to be FUNimation that did it". He could be saying two very different things with that response. So it feels like he's avoiding giving a clear-cut answer but maybe he just thought "it wasn't us" was an adequate reply that assumed people already understood Toonami editors don't edit the shows for content. Which would mean he's saying FUNimation made the edits.

"our end," "us," all refer to adult swim as a whole. i don't think he has to spell that out.

[PokeNirvash]

Who did Demarco refer to when he said "we" didn't edit Fire Force?

[Top Gun]

We didn't cut the fire!

[The1gairon]

52 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

We didn't cut the fire!

It was always burning since the world was turning.

[ben0119]

On 9/7/2019 at 1:12 AM, korosu said:

Toonami, Adult Swim, and the S&P department are one entity.

Yes, but Demarco has blamed other departments to pass the buck before, like programming, master control, and S&P, etc.  Also, what Sketchor said.  And why would Funimation make an edit like they're trying to put the show on old daytime Toonami?

What the hell is even going on here?  If that's implying actual penetration then this show may have crossed a line, "joke fantasy" foodgasm scene or not.

Edited September 14, 2019 by ben0119

[ben0119]

On 9/9/2019 at 4:33 AM, Sketch said:

I keep seeing this narrative that DeMarco didn't know what he was getting into with Food Wars but he talked about liking Food Wars during Toonami Pre-Flight. So I'm pretty sure he knew about the foodgasms and felt the show still had merit. What he wasn't aware of, at the time, was that Food Wars was dubbed. The show might have popped up on Toonami a bit sooner if he and Gill had known it was already dubbed.

It's entirely possible it was still a last minute replacement show despite that but I honestly don't think he's having buyers remorse or anything. I also figure that they grabbed Food Wars because it could fill a slot for a while.

Fire Force though? I wouldn't doubt that he had not seen more than maybe an episode or two before grabbing it. Probably the same goes for Dr. Stone and Demon Slayer.

They don't even know if shows are dubbed or not?  Seriously?  That's some crack team we've got there.  More like a team on crack.

Still, I can't see how Demarco could like the show, when the fan service is all over the place in it.  It's not exactly a minor thing or infrequent at all.

There's much better shows they could have come up with to "fill a slot for a while."  Sounds like this show is... filler.  Heh.

There was fan service in the first two Fire Force episodes also.  Yeah watching a 1-3 episodes for most shows to get an idea of them is probably okay with most shows.

[korosu]

1 hour ago, ben0119 said:

And why would Funimation make an edit like they're trying to put the show on old daytime Toonami?

Yes, why did they edit the first episode of My Hero Academia for Toonami when the network requested no such thing? I have no fucking clue! And now they've also edited an episode of Fire Force. I can't fathom why.

[DangerMouse]

On 9/2/2019 at 12:21 PM, ben0119 said:

Maybe their pussification explains editing the Lucky Lecher Lure!  Still inconsistent with all the other stuff that's been allowed to fly over the years, though!  All I can come up with is because Shinra's hands went under Tamaki's clothes.

Yeah, if there was one that's probably the reason.

Edited September 15, 2019 by DangerMouse