Black Clover is now Less Formulaic and Treats Women Better than Shonen Saint My Hero Academia

[Daos]

"People with Asperger's have difficulty reading social cues and socializing, picking up on humor, sarcasm, though I have tried to improve on this and think I have over the years, I'll never be "normal."  They get very engrossed in certain subjects and hobbies etc.  By definition, someone with Asperger's must have average or above average intelligence"

Asperger's isn't even a thing anymore, and they usually just say "normal" intelligence. The issue here is logic and reasoning affected by being BI-polar.

"You're the only one here who thinks Rey is, by the way"

Uhhh I really doubt that.

Edited December 9, 2018 by Daos

[ben0119]

15 minutes ago, Daos said:

Ben I don't watch that show, am not familiar with the character, and have never heard of the site/person who is supposedly disproving the existence of Mary Sues. Why would I watch the video? You just linked a video about a random character from a random show with a random guy debunking it. It would be meaningless for me to watch it. It would be like me talking about Donnie Darko if you've never seen Donnie Darko.

What is he going to do, remove the term from the dictionary? 

I thought that even if you hadn't seen the show or heard of the reviewer, you could still follow the argument?  He explains everything about the show and character and why some people believe Burnham is a Mary Sue, and makes his argument against Mary Sues and then says no one is.  It's a well made video.

I mean, you've linked to people I've never heard of and I've watched those videos. You also linked to people I have heard of, and one of them was that anti-SJW fucktard Jeremy of Geeks & Gamers, and you seemed to think that was a good retort.

I've seen Donnie Darko but it's been a while.

[PokeNirvash]

13 minutes ago, Daos said:

"People with Asperger's have difficulty reading social cues and socializing...  By definition, someone with Asperger's must have average or above average intelligence"

Asperger's isn't even a thing anymore...

I beg to differ. [raises hand]

[Daos]

You've seen the movie and are familiar with the character. I knew you had seen the movie and were familiar with the character. It's completely different. This is what I'm talking about. Stuff like this. 

You see two things that are totally different, yet in your mind they're the same. You see things that aren't there, you see things that are there that aren't there. It's that whole logic and reasoning thing I keep going on about.

 

 

[Daos]

3 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

I beg to differ. [raises hand]

It's been gone for a few years sorry =P

https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/mental-health-aspergers-syndrome#1

[ben0119]

9 minutes ago, Daos said:

"People with Asperger's have difficulty reading social cues and socializing, picking up on humor, sarcasm, though I have tried to improve on this and think I have over the years, I'll never be "normal."  They get very engrossed in certain subjects and hobbies etc.  By definition, someone with Asperger's must have average or above average intelligence"

Asperger's isn't even a thing anymore, and they usually just say "normal" intelligence. The issue here is logic and reasoning affected by being BI-polar.

"You're the only one here who thinks Rey is, by the way"

Uhhh I really doubt that.

Sure it isn't.  I'll be sure to tell my brain, psychiatrist, therapist, and the psychological community that.  You obviously didn't even read the links.  Hell you could have just googled it.

https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/mental-health-aspergers-syndrome

Doctors used to think of Asperger's as a separate condition. But in 2013, the newest edition of the standard book that mental health experts use, called The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), changed how it's classified.

Today, Asperger's syndrome is technically no longer a diagnosis on its own. It is now part of a broader category called autism spectrum disorder (ASD). This group of related mental health issues shares some symptoms. Even so, lots of people still use the term Asperger's.

Yes, that totally means it's "not a thing anymore," in the same way Pluto stopped being a thing when it's classification changed.  Jesus fucking christ.

Logic and reasoning isn't affected by bipolar.  It's mood and energy levels.  You obviously don't know anything about that either, didn't read the link, and have never googled it.

Plenty of people disagreed with you and reamed you in that other thread.  Care to continue it here?

[ben0119]

3 minutes ago, Daos said:

You've seen the movie and are familiar with the character. I knew you had seen the movie and were familiar with the character. It's completely different. This is what I'm talking about. Stuff like this. 

You see two things that are totally different, yet in your mind they're the same. You see things that aren't there, you see things that are there that aren't there. It's that whole logic and reasoning thing I keep going on about.

My point was you may have linked to a video about movie I heard of, but the video you linked to is made by a fucking moron.  So not sure how that's much better.  As I said, I thought the argument could be followed despite whatever familiarity you may or may not have with Discovery and Burnham, but I guess I was giving you too much credit.  See?  I can be insulting too.

And you HAVE linked to people I never heard of and made comparisons to things I've never heard of or never saw.  For example, you think I ever saw Freezing or gave a shit about it?  I see no sense in watching ecchi trash shows.  Not when you have actual porn you can watch, or regular shows with actual plots, some even with some fan service of their own.  And that was your example of "good" art?!  The character designs look like crap, GXP tier, does nothing for me and shouldn't for anyone else, and that water is a cgi blob!

[ben0119]

16 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

I beg to differ. [raises hand]

I can take a picture of my patient report, I get it at every visit, that says I have Asperger's.  There's no personal info revealed on that page/section.

[Daos]

Again, you aren't able to accurately process information. Asperger's is no longer a thing. People won't refer to other people as having Asperger's in the future. It was reclassified as being on the Autism spectrum. Schools have stopped referring to children as having Asperger's because it no longer exists. Doctors aren't going to tell parents their children have Asperger's anymore.

"Asperger syndrome, as a diagnostic category, existed only between 1994 when it was added to the DSM and May 2013, when it was removed.  The current DSM-5, which is as close as Americans get to an “official” set of diagnoses, includes just one general category for Autism Spectrum Disorders."

You can still say Manic-Depressive instead of Bi-Polar if you want, but officially that's not a thing either anymore.

Pluto being a planet isn't a thing anymore. It doesn't remove the existence of the actual physical object though. A medical condition is not a physical object. Again, logic and reasoning. The two situations are not at all alike.

Have you not talked to a decent Doctor about how serious being Bi-Polar can be? It can severely affect logic and reasoning. You can suffer from Psychosis, Delusions and Hallucinations, all of which are way more serious things than being able to come to logical conclusions about anime.

[Daos]

9 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

I can take a picture of my patient report, I get it at every visit, that says I have Asperger's.  There's no personal info revealed on that page/section.

They're not going to rewrite your entire medical history with updated terminology Ben.

[PokeNirvash]

Eh, even if it's technically off the list, I still prefer the Asperger's designation to being lumped in with lower-functioning individuals on the spectrum.

[ben0119]

27 minutes ago, Daos said:

They're not going to rewrite your entire medical history with updated terminology Ben.

This one I just got out is from 6/26/18 and says "Asperger's syndrome (F84.5)" and "Bipolar 1 disorder, in partial remission, most recent episode manic (F31.73)."

I take 200mg of Lamictal for the bipolar, for mood and anxiety, and 25mg Seroquel for sleep.

Edited December 9, 2018 by ben0119

[ben0119]

27 minutes ago, Daos said:

Again, you aren't able to accurately process information. Asperger's is no longer a thing. People won't refer to other people as having Asperger's in the future. It was reclassified as being on the Autism spectrum. Schools have stopped referring to children as having Asperger's because it no longer exists. Doctors aren't going to tell parents their children have Asperger's anymore.

"Asperger syndrome, as a diagnostic category, existed only between 1994 when it was added to the DSM and May 2013, when it was removed.  The current DSM-5, which is as close as Americans get to an “official” set of diagnoses, includes just one general category for Autism Spectrum Disorders."

You can still say Manic-Depressive instead of Bi-Polar if you want, but officially that's not a thing either anymore.

Pluto being a planet isn't a thing anymore. It doesn't remove the existence of the actual physical object though. A medical condition is not a physical object. Again, logic and reasoning. The two situations are not at all alike.

Have you not talked to a decent Doctor about how serious being Bi-Polar can be? It can severely affect logic and reasoning. You can suffer from Psychosis, Delusions and Hallucinations, all of which are way more serious things than being able to come to logical conclusions about anime.

OH MY FUCKING GOD WHAT IS YOUR DEAL?!  I'm on the autism spectrum, Asperger's always was.  I still have a condition that fits those symptoms.  I still have a thing.  My brain didn't change because a fucking book got changed.  So no, it is like fucking Pluto.

I have had none of these problems, that I'm aware of.  Issues with mood and anxiety, yes.  Going from hyper and a mile a minute to tired and lethargic?  Yes.  In the past I had what felt like panic attacks, but could have just been extreme manic episodes.  I did used to have depression.  I don't even touch caffeine, by the way.  It gets me way too amped up, it's like being manic.

And I have great doctors.  I can assure you I don't continue go to doctors I'm not comfortable with.  Which is why I am currently going to the trouble of driving well out of town to see a new psychiatrist, after my old one retired, then my next one moved to California after I saw her one time, and this last one who was a nurse practitioner psychiatrist gave me improper instructions to take my medication.  I may have also had a bad reaction to the increased Seroquel dose, or it could have been the Nexium.  I got bad vertigo/dizziness, which hasn't happened to me before.  I did stop taking Nexium and had that switched for something else as well. Apparently there are just not many psychiatrists, period, so they've been having a hard time replacing the ones who left at my clinic.  They also would have to take on more patients, as my clinic serves the underserved.  That appointment is also on New Year's Eve by the way, it's the only and closest one I could get.

Edited December 9, 2018 by ben0119

[naraku360]

7 hours ago, ben0119 said:

But, you access it with your brain.  You can't just "hook it up a PC into it and hack into it."  That's not how it works.  You might as well ask why don't you hack a computer with a steam engine.  It's incompatible tech that can't interact that way.  And once the user is dead, that headset is likely useless, connection severed from SAO, or it's bricked, or both, or whatever.  And if it isn't, and someone could potentially hack their way into SAO, Kayaba could have it set up so the headset fries anyone who attempts to, or they get trapped in the game themselves.  And there's your valuable hacker dead or trapped.  They'd also have to be willing to potentially sacrifice themselves as well.  So, the only way to get into SAO is to be at Kayaba's labs and his servers, or use the headset.  And we know no new users were admitted into SAO.  SAO was a closed system not connected to the rest of the internet, at least after the lockdown.  And again, SAO is on those servers, the headset is just an access device, and I suppose it creates the image for the user, but it's being transmitted, at least, that's my understanding.  I don't see that giant world being able to fit just inside the game system, but I could be wrong.  Either way, what you say just simply isn't doable because it's not like any computer or game technology as we understand it.

It doesn't matter how it's normally accessed. Hackers don't access things through the normal routes. As long as there's software on the device, it can be projected onto something other than the brain.

[stilgar]

How is it this thread gets dumber and dumber every time I read it?

[Daos]

2 hours ago, stilgar said:

How is it this thread gets dumber and dumber every time I read it?

Because it's a 4 page thread of Ben not being able to understand what a Mary Sue is?

[PokeNirvash]

13 minutes ago, Daos said:

Because it's a 4 page thread of Ben actively trying to change the definition of what a Mary Sue is?

 

[Top Gun]

*sees like 20 Ben posts in a row*

*nope.avi*

Oh good, I see he's doing the whole "I have a massive IQ yet can't read basic social cues and have no ability to analyze a text" thing. 

[stilgar]

1 hour ago, Daos said:

Because Ben 

Fixed.

[CaptainStarwind]

How is this thread still active?

Oh also this:

 

[Jman]

This is what happens when someone, despite all evidence to the contrary needs to prove they’re right for no other reason than to be right.

[Daos]

11 minutes ago, Jman said:

This is what happens when someone, despite all evidence to the contrary needs to prove they’re right for no other reason than to be right.

I'm sure he believes everything he's saying. He doesn't seem to have the ability to tell the difference between a realistic ability like say.... assembling a computer from components you bought over the internet.... and say....an incredibly unrealistic ability like being able to hack into one of the worlds most advanced computer systems in order to save an AI program by transferring it to a virtual object in your in game inventory in 30 seconds from inside the worlds most impossible to hack game.

To him, these are both equally reasonable abilities for a 15 year old to have and can be explained by normal competence.

[Blatch]

17 hours ago, Daos said:

Because Toonamites

 

[naraku360]

2 hours ago, Daos said:

I'm sure he believes everything he's saying. He doesn't seem to have the ability to tell the difference between a realistic ability like say.... assembling a computer from components you bought over the internet.... and say....an incredibly unrealistic ability like being able to hack into one of the worlds most advanced computer systems in order to save an AI program by transferring it to a virtual object in your in game inventory in 30 seconds from inside the worlds most impossible to hack game.

To him, these are both equally reasonable abilities for a 15 year old to have and can be explained by normal competence.

The notion of turning it into an item mid-deletion is pretty funny. Saving some of the data is one thing, but stopping the deletion as well as restoring what was lost and encoding an entirely new item is hilariously silly. It doesn't help that if it's such a sophisticated proprietary system, there's a strong chance it doesn't use a public OS. That's really the only justification fof it to take so long to hack from the outside, because it'd require anyone who didn't work on it to learn the internal framework. If it was built on an existing OS someone would get in within 2 years no problem. But the only way for it to feasibly prevent outside interference would make Kirito's hack even less believable.

Edited December 10, 2018 by naraku360

[OwlChemist81]

1. The hidden reason Kirito was brought back to life after being killed was Asuna used the item on him that he acquired in Episode 3 which can bring someone back to life 10 seconds after they've been killed--she just acquired it another way secretly and never told anyone, making her the TRUE heroine of the Aincrad arc. At least that's my headcanon, and it sure makes a hell of a lot more sense than the deus ex machina which played out on the screen!
2. Why the hell are we talking about SAO so much in an MHA/Black Clover thread anyway? What the hell does SAO have to do with anything??

Edit: I rewatched the episode (SAO I Ep. 14) and I had forgotten that Asuna has also "died" at that point, which means Klein must have changed his mind and picked up the item and used it to revive Kirito so that he could beat Heathcliff/Kayaba. I guess the only reason Asuna was spared was that Heathcliff actually had to MANUALLY kill people who died in the game?

Edited December 25, 2018 by OwlChemist81

[Jman]

Owl, this thread has already gone off the rails.  Like into a chasm.

[Daos]

5 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

1. The hidden reason Kirito was brought back to life after being killed was Asuna used the item on him that he acquired in Episode 3 which can bring someone back to life 10 seconds after they've been killed--she just acquired it another way secretly and never told anyone, making her the TRUE heroine of the Aincrad arc. At least that's my headcanon, and it sure makes a hell of a lot more sense than the deus ex machina which played out on the screen!
2. Why the hell are we talking about SAO so much in an MHA/Black Clover thread anyway? What the hell does SAO have to do with anything??

I mentioned something about Kirito being a Mary Sue, that's all it takes.

[ben0119]

On 12/13/2018 at 4:44 PM, Daos said:

I mentioned something about Kirito being a Mary Sue, that's all it takes.

I specifically said I didn't want to talk about Kirito in this thread, and to save it for the other threads where that discussion arised.  I was planning to bump those threads eventually.  But, you just had to keep pushing the issue.

But yes, this thread is supposed to be about Black Clover, My Hero Academia, and shonen in general.  SAO is most definitely off-topic.

[ben0119]

On 12/10/2018 at 6:07 AM, Daos said:

I'm sure he believes everything he's saying. He doesn't seem to have the ability to tell the difference between a realistic ability like say.... assembling a computer from components you bought over the internet.... and say....an incredibly unrealistic ability like being able to hack into one of the worlds most advanced computer systems in order to save an AI program by transferring it to a virtual object in your in game inventory in 30 seconds from inside the worlds most impossible to hack game.

To him, these are both equally reasonable abilities for a 15 year old to have and can be explained by normal competence.

I didn't say each ability was of equal difficulty, or even that Kirito didn't have difficulty hacking the game.  Again, he used the admin console and copied and pasted some data.  Whoopty-doo.  I don't think he was 15 then either.

[ben0119]

On 12/9/2018 at 10:54 AM, naraku360 said:

It doesn't matter how it's normally accessed. Hackers don't access things through the normal routes. As long as there's software on the device, it can be projected onto something other than the brain.

Projected onto something?  Onto what, exactly?  It's designed to interface with the human brain.  Yeah, some hackers will just invent something that replicates that and "project" it onto it.  Ok lol.

[ben0119]

On 12/9/2018 at 4:39 PM, Top Gun said:

*sees like 20 Ben posts in a row*

*nope.avi*

Oh good, I see he's doing the whole "I have a massive IQ yet can't read basic social cues and have no ability to analyze a text" thing. 

Difficulty social cues would be due to Asperger's, nothing to do with intelligence.  Not sure what you mean by "analyzing a text" in this context.

Edited December 16, 2018 by ben0119

[ben0119]

On 12/9/2018 at 12:42 PM, stilgar said:

How is it this thread gets dumber and dumber every time I read it?

What are you doing outside of your hive of scum and villainy?

[ben0119]

On 12/13/2018 at 11:02 AM, OwlChemist81 said:

1. The hidden reason Kirito was brought back to life after being killed was Asuna used the item on him that he acquired in Episode 3 which can bring someone back to life 10 seconds after they've been killed--she just acquired it another way secretly and never told anyone, making her the TRUE heroine of the Aincrad arc. At least that's my headcanon, and it sure makes a hell of a lot more sense than the deus ex machina which played out on the screen!
2. Why the hell are we talking about SAO so much in an MHA/Black Clover thread anyway? What the hell does SAO have to do with anything??

1. Kirito didn't die and come back to life.  There is a scene in the books where Kirito imagines himself losing to Heathcliff and then psychs himself up and says it's not going to happen, this was simply poorly communicated in the anime.  If you mean when he beat Heathcliff, if it was a double KO and I forgot, he would have been spared either as a reward for beating the game by Kayaba, or simply because the game was ending right at that moment anyway.

2. Nothing, but some people can't leave well enough alone.

[naraku360]

1 minute ago, ben0119 said:

Projected onto something?  Onto what, exactly?  It's designed to interface with the human brain.  Yeah, some hackers will just invent something that replicates that and "project" it onto it.  Ok lol.

Jesus fucking...

You know the device's software isn't located on the brain, right?

It's like making an emulator. A Gameboy is meant to be played on a Gameboy, but people extracted the data and used that to build a new program able to display a Gameboy game on a computer.

Of course this is different on virtue of the level of complexity, but ultimately the pretense is the same. 

What I think you're failing to understand is that the device might display a mental image, but that image has to be produced externally.

[ben0119]

Anyway, going by the reactions in this thread, it looks like I'm not the only one who likes Black Clover and appreciates how it has grown and what it's trying to do.  Its backlash was unfounded!

[ben0119]

6 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

Jesus fucking...

You know the device's software isn't located on the brain, right?

It's like making an emulator. A Gameboy is meant to be played on a Gameboy, but people extracted the data and used that to build a new program able to display a Gameboy game on a computer.

Of course this is different on virtue of the level of complexity, but ultimately the pretense is the same. 

What I think you're failing to understand is that the device might display a mental image, but that image has to be produced externally.

This is not a Gameboy, this is a revolutionary technology that interfaces with the human brain, putting an entire world there, and intercepts the commands you would usually give to your body and sends them to your virtual avatar.  How are you possibly going to make something that can replicate the HUMAN BRAIN and do all this, to stand in its place?

Produced externally?  Maybe, at Kayaba's servers.  There's no way anyone would be able to replicate Kayaba's proprietary first-of-its-kind one-of-a-kind technology, much less the SAO world.  I'd also imagine the connection to SAO is cut once a user dies and the headset shuts off.  Do you really think Kayaba wouldn't have thought of all this? 

It would seem it is you who doesn't understand the technology.

[naraku360]

8 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

This is not a Gameboy, this is a revolutionary technology that interfaces with the human brain, putting an entire world there, and intercepts the commands you would usually give to your body and sends them to your virtual avatar.  How are you possibly going to make something that can replicate the HUMAN BRAIN and do all this, to stand in its place?

Produced externally?  Maybe, at Kayaba's servers.  There's no way anyone would be able to replicate Kayaba's proprietary first-of-its-kind one-of-a-kind technology, much less the SAO world.  I'd also imagine the connection to SAO is cut once a user dies and the headset shuts off.  Do you really think Kayaba wouldn't have thought of all this? 

It would seem it is you who doesn't understand the technology.

Okay, Ben.

What did he build the software on the device with?

Did he put the device together and the software he made somehow without the use of a computer was ready to go?

Just built the headset and the software came preinstalled?

Like, how the fuck do you think a virtual reality software is made?

It needs some kind of computer to create the programming. He didn't just build the device and have it magically operate with brain pictures he somehow uses to program it.

I mean, maybe he did because SAO. And, well, SAO is stupid.

Edited December 16, 2018 by naraku360

[ben0119]

10 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

Okay, Ben.

What did he build the software on the device with?

Did he put the device together and the software he made somehow without the use of a computer was ready to go?

Just built the headset and the software came preinstalled?

Like, how the fuck do you think a virtual reality software is made?

It needs some kind of computer to create the programming. He didn't just build the device and have it magically operate with brain pictures he somehow uses to program it.

I mean, maybe he did because SAO. And, well, SAO is stupid.

I think Kayaba probably used himself as the gunniea pig.  It's never been fully explained.  Maybe it will be elaborated upon in Alicization.  If he did have to make something as a stand-in, I doubt it's something anyone else could whip up in 2 years.

Also I'm not sure if the virtual Aincrad world is stored wholly on Kayaba's servers or if some of it or a copy is in the game device.  You had to buy a copy of SAO to play the game, but is the actual game on there or is it more like an access key?  I can't remember.  Not sure if it was said or not.

Edited December 16, 2018 by ben0119

[naraku360]

14 hours ago, ben0119 said:

I think Kayaba probably used himself as the gunniea pig.  It's never been fully explained.  Maybe it will be elaborated upon in Alicization.  If he did have to make something as a stand-in, I doubt it's something anyone else could whip up in 2 years.

Also I'm not sure if the virtual Aincrad world is stored wholly on Kayaba's servers or if some of it or a copy is in the game device.  You had to buy a copy of SAO to play the game, but is the actual game on there or is it more like an access key?  I can't remember.  Not sure if it was said or not.

That doesn't matter. He has to have built the software using something other than the device itself. We have only a few OS options because creating a new one and getting it on par with even the 90s or early 2000s would take a lifetime. Creating a from-scratch brand new OS to not only match contemporary Windows, Apple, Linux, or whatever but even exceed and transmit mental images on its own is an unreasonable task. You'd have to have to create a new OS, build the extraordinarily complex device to use it, bypass over 50 years of advancements in technology with, by your standards, no help from existing technology, then create a game well beyond modern ability, get it online and capable of sending an entire game far more advanced than modern technology in realtime. That's not even accounting for building an entirely new form of server compatible with the brand new device that's untouchable by existing technology. Even putting in a borderline human AI.

By age 28.

It also doesn't make sense for it to be produced by a server. You'd have to transmit an entire game to thousamds of people simultaneously. I get that SAO is a future setting but it's not a very well-explored future. It's mostly just now but with cooler video game technology. There's no implication we'd have that kind of server power, that's terabytes of data being sent to an absurd number of people sent nonstop for 2+ years. That would take an absurd amount of energy. With MMOs, or any online game, like with any game, the game is installed to a system. For a older generation like your Atari through PS2(3?), XBox 360 [I think?] or Wii U, the game is on a cartridge or disc. A PS4, XBox One, or Switch, even with cloud save data, the game has to be installed to thd device itself. The reason we don't transmit most games on entirety over online connections is because the majority can still be played locally. With MMOs that's generally not the case, but you still need the device to have the software installed because otherwise it's an unreliable process where anything can go wrong. You lose the server and everyone loses the game itself. Backups, sure, it's still a silly way to do it that lacks understanding of how games function.

It also doesn't account for disconnects. It's a similar situation for any of these trapped in a MMO settings, but what if the server goes down [a common occurrence for MMOs]? Does the entire population of players get melted brain syndrome? It's a relatively general problem within the genre that can be mitigated by the introduction of supernatural elements, like Log Horizon where they're actually in the world rather than the game.

Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but the dude creating that much is insane and before 30 is fundamentally ludicrous. Even if he were to have a massive team of millions of people, I'm not buying this explanation. The inception of the simplest of computers took about as long as he's been alive.

[PokeNirvash]

"That Kayaba kid needs to get laid."

"Big time."

[Daos]

1 hour ago, naraku360 said:

That doesn't matter. He has to have built the software using something other than the device itself. We have only a few OS options because creating a new one and getting it on par with even the 90s or early 2000s would take a lifetime. Creating a from-scratch brand new OS to not only match contemporary Windows, Apple, Linux, or whatever but even exceed and transmit mental images on its own is an unreasonable task. You'd have to have to create a new OS, build the extraordinarily complex device to use it, bypass over 50 years of advancements in technology with, by your standards, no help from existing technology, then create a game well beyond modern ability, get it online and capable of sending an entire game far more advanced than modern technology in realtime. That's not even accounting for building an entirely new form of server compatible with the brand new device that's untouchable by existing technology. Even putting in a borderline human AI.

By age 28.

It also doesn't make sense for it to be produced by a server. You'd have to transmit an entire game to thousamds of people simultaneously. I get that SAO is a future setting but it's not a very well-explored future. It's mostly just now but with cooler video game technology. There's no implication we'd have that kind of server power, that's terabytes of data being sent to an absurd number of people sent nonstop for 2+ years. That would take an absurd amount of energy. With MMOs, or any online game, like with any game, the game is installed to a system. For a older generation like your Atari through PS2(3?), XBox 360 [I think?] or Wii U, the game is on a cartridge or disc. A PS4, XBox One, or Switch, even with cloud save data, the game has to be installed to thd device itself. The reason we don't transmit most games on entirety over online connections is because the majority can still be played locally. With MMOs that's generally not the case, but you still need the device to have the software installed because otherwise it's an unreliable process where anything can go wrong. You lose the server and everyone loses the game itself. Backups, sure, it's still a silly way to do it that lacks understanding of how games function.

It also doesn't account for disconnects. It's a similar situation for any of these trapped in a MMO settings, but what if the server goes down [a common occurrence for MMOs]? Does the entire population of players get melted brain syndrome? It's a relatively general problem within the genre that can be mitigated by the introduction of supernatural elements, like Log Horizon where they're actually in the world rather than the game.

Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but the dude creating that much is insane and before 30 is fundamentally ludicrous. Even if he were to have a massive team of millions of people, I'm not buying this explanation. The inception of the simplest of computers took about as long as he's been alive.

If this was set in 2100 I'd suspend my disbelief a bit more. But... it's set in... 2022. It's almost 2019. That's 3 years from now.

It takes Square like 10 years just to make a new Final Fantasy game. With a gazllion people working on it.

Also Kirito was 14 when he entered SAO. 14. He learned all this stuff by the time he was 14. He's very competent.

How many lines code would an AI contain? About a billion? Windows 10 has about 50 million. Kirito was very competent at transferring those billion lines of code in 30 seconds.

[Top Gun]

All of this is exactly why I was never able to suspend my disbelief from the get-go.  People piloting giant robots fueled by manly spirit, people eating magical fruits that turn them into rubber or smoke or fire, people able to shoot beams out of their hands that can blow up a planet, those things I have no problem with.  They're set in the realm of pure fantasy, so I can accept them implicitly.  Even something like Ghost in the Shell that describes a 2030 very detached from the reality we will most likely see in another decade is completely forgivable, since it was written in the late 80s and joins a long, proud tradition of sci-fi that's a bit too over- or under-ambitious about what the future will bring.  But if you're going to set your story just a handful of years in the future, based largely on technology that already exists, and you make a ridiculously-implausible setup with logic holes one could fly a 747 through, you deserve to be ripped for it.

[Mr Owl]

[Daos]

"I agreed to suspend my disbelief, not hang it by the neck until dead."

Edited December 17, 2018 by Daos

[naraku360]

On 12/16/2018 at 6:32 PM, Top Gun said:

All of this is exactly why I was never able to suspend my disbelief from the get-go.  People piloting giant robots fueled by manly spirit, people eating magical fruits that turn them into rubber or smoke or fire, people able to shoot beams out of their hands that can blow up a planet, those things I have no problem with.  They're set in the realm of pure fantasy, so I can accept them implicitly.  Even something like Ghost in the Shell that describes a 2030 very detached from the reality we will most likely see in another decade is completely forgivable, since it was written in the late 80s and joins a long, proud tradition of sci-fi that's a bit too over- or under-ambitious about what the future will bring.  But if you're going to set your story just a handful of years in the future, based largely on technology that already exists, and you make a ridiculously-implausible setup with logic holes one could fly a 747 through, you deserve to be ripped for it.

Yeah, but what about HxH where assassins are allowed to be Hunters by a chairman eventually highlighted as not especially caring about morals?

 

[Top Gun]

Oh yeah, that's clearly right out. Totally.

[OwlChemist81]

On ‎12‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 2:04 AM, ben0119 said:

1. Kirito didn't die and come back to life.  There is a scene in the books where Kirito imagines himself losing to Heathcliff and then psychs himself up and says it's not going to happen, this was simply poorly communicated in the anime.  If you mean when he beat Heathcliff, if it was a double KO and I forgot, he would have been spared either as a reward for beating the game by Kayaba, or simply because the game was ending right at that moment anyway.

2. Nothing, but some people can't leave well enough alone.

Eh, it just makes more sense for Klein to have secretly used the item offscreen in the anime. I'm going with that.

ALL HAIL TRUE HERO KLEIN!!!

[PokeNirvash]

Still sticking with my theory that Klein used the 10-second revive on Asuna, while the microwave unit in Kirito's Nerve Gear meant to fry his brain if he died was non-functioning, hence why he lived.

As for Kayaba forgetting why he made SAO a death game to begin with? Well, with as many questions as it raises, him being so busy being a genius inventor that he has no free time for himself is as good a reason for that as any.

[naraku360]

6 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Eh, it just makes more sense for Klein to have secretly used the item offscreen in the anime. I'm going with that.

ALL HAIL TRUE HERO KLEIN!!!

Yeah, but like that's an important detail to, you know, at least imply - showing is better.

[mochi]

On 11/30/2018 at 11:07 PM, Daos said:

I've never seen any indication that Natsu thinks Lucy wants to be his gf or make out with him.

he didn't, like most shonen protagonist he has no interest in girls what-so-ever....then suddenly wants to smash the nearest girl in the final panel