3ngag3 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 YOU WERE WRONG It's going beyond and I'm not talking about Plus Ultra here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 well good luck with that Pierrot, the company who did clean up animation for BC is gone now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 You say that like drop was the only one doing outsourcing for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Covered that in a thread already. However, it was in the Anime section. Probably because I blacked it out so much I forgot it was ON Toonami! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 21 hours ago, mochi said: well good luck with that Pierrot, the company who did clean up animation for BC is gone now .... when did it close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, elfie said: .... when did it close? He's probably talking about studio Drop, which just announced it was closing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, Daos said: He's probably talking about studio Drop, which just announced it was closing. Well nothing of value was lost to me, I NEVER heard of that studio and there are a ton of others they can use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 They made like... two anime you've never heard of. They did other animation stuff mostly http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2018/09/02/animation-studio-drop-prepares-to-file-for-bankruptcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Daos said: He's probably talking about studio Drop, which just announced it was closing. So you're telling me they "dropped" Drop??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Long may the legend of Pecker soar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarPanda Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 The manga gets gradually better so hopefully that translates well into the further anime episodes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, StarPanda said: The manga gets gradually better so hopefully that translates well into the further anime episodes Don't you worry ....studio White Fox is amazing, they know how to handle anime adaptations and will bring their usual stellar work to this like few other studios can. Wait this is Pierrot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I thought Bleach was done well, filler aside. But that wasn't their fault. Just the long-runner model. Plus, Bleach chapters used large drawings and little dialogue. No excuse for Naruto or Shippuden though. They milked that cow til it was dead. Tokyo Ghoul is supposedly "great" in the manga and the first season skipped over a lot of plot and character stuff. 2nd season was mangaka's idea. Not sure if he said to do a different story because of how they did season 1 or if that was his idea too. Either way, can't make a good show from a a bad manga! Not their fault! At least most Bleach episodes looked good, and Tokyo Ghoul's. Naruto/Shippuden art and animation quality was a crap shoot though. I dunno, I remember people used to like Pierott in the old days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 One thing I do hope they improve for season 2, though... ...the women were curvier in the manga. Damn you to HELL, Pierott! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 They've been around since the 80's and their only hits seem to be stuff that's critically trashed... Naruto, TG, Boruto, Bc, Twin Star Exorcists. Mr Osomatsu is probably their most respected work... or maybe Beelzebub? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Kimagure Orange Road, Yu Yu Hakusho, Great Teacher Onizuka, Ghost Stories (the dub, at least), Yona of the Dawn... I'd personally say Pierrot's got more of a decent track record than their Shounen Jump adaptations make it appear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I'm impressed that Black Clover's run got extended. Is it really doing well enough on TV in Japan to warrant it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, CaptainStarwind said: I'm impressed that Black Clover's run got extended. Is it really doing well enough on TV in Japan to warrant it? Unfortunately... it's popular. 14th best selling manga in 2017. That's good enough for it to exist forever. 1 One Piece: 11,495,532 copies 2 Attack on Titan: 6,622,781 copies 3 Kingdom: 6,184,214 copies 4 My Hero Academia: 5,852,310 copies 5 Tokyo Ghoul:re: 5,303,514 copies 6 Haikyu!!: 5,067,939 copies 7 Seven Deadly Sins: 3,592,571 copies 8 One-Punch Man: 3,223,151 copies 9 Shokugeki no Soma: 2,792,441 copies 10 Magi: 2,713,074 copies 11 Detective Conan: 2,438,361 copies 12 March Comes in Like a Lion: 2,092,513 copies 13 The Promised Neverland: 2,039,765 copies 14 Black Clover: 1,956,974 copies 15 Fairy Tail: 1,910,330 copies 16 Blue Exorcist: 1,891,804 copies 17 Ace of Diamond Act II: 1,746,482 copies 18 Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: 1,652,055 copies 19 Hunter x Hunter: 1,514,111 copies 20 Wotakoi: Love is Hard for an Otaku: 1,505,614 copies Edited September 8, 2018 by Daos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Was there any good reason to post the entire top 50? But yeah, Black Clover is popular now. For better or worse, the campaign to make this show a genuine success has genuinely succeeded, and now the haters have to live with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Ill top 20 it just for you. Shonen Jump is good at what it does, they forced Crunchyroll to write disgusting ass kissing articles about how BC is "THE BEST SHONEN ADAPTATION EVER" and marketed the hell out of it. Young males just like Shonen. Most Shonen isn't good anyway. Are 300 filler episodes of Naruto really a good watch? Was the manga really any better? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 14 hours ago, PokeNirvash said: Kimagure Orange Road, Yu Yu Hakusho, Great Teacher Onizuka, Ghost Stories (the dub, at least), Yona of the Dawn... I'd personally say Pierrot's got more of a decent track record than their Shounen Jump adaptations make it appear. I looked at their Wiki page and recognized nearly every title after 2000. Daos is just neurotic about sales figures. Not top 20 or top 50 of... last year...? Not good enough to be noteworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 I liked the World is still beautiful. That's.... about it. The question was specifically about how well BC does in Japan and why it got renewed. I think the numbers are pretty relevant here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) On 9/7/2018 at 6:05 PM, Daos said: I liked the World is still beautiful. That's.... about it. The question was specifically about how well BC does in Japan and why it got renewed. I think the numbers are pretty relevant here. I was responding more to the part about only being recognizable for critically panned big name shonen. What I recognized may not be huge, but they're pretty well known for a lot of early-2000s stuff. I can't vouche for quality of most, but plenty are reasonably well known to long-time anims geeks. Edited September 9, 2018 by naraku360 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Yeah but lets be honest, when people hear Pierrot they think BC, Bleach, TG, Naruto, Boruto, and Twin star exorcists. They're not like .. Oh yeah the studio that did Level E, Beelzebub and Polar Bear cafe? Churning out filler laden shonen has damaged their rep pretty badly. No fan of a manga wants Pierrot to be the one doing the adaptation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Black Clover outsold Hunter lolololol! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/7/2018 at 7:33 PM, Blatch said: Was there any good reason to post the entire top 50? But yeah, Black Clover is popular now. For better or worse, the campaign to make this show a genuine success has genuinely succeeded, and now the haters have to live with it. On 9/7/2018 at 7:37 PM, Daos said: Ill top 20 it just for you. Shonen Jump is good at what it does, they forced Crunchyroll to write disgusting ass kissing articles about how BC is "THE BEST SHONEN ADAPTATION EVER" and marketed the hell out of it. Young males just like Shonen. Most Shonen isn't good anyway. Are 300 filler episodes of Naruto really a good watch? Was the manga really any better? Not sure the show getting pushed to the moon in the states has any effect on the manga and anime doing gangbusters in Japan. The filler in Naruto is not great for the most part, but the canon story goes to shit anyway! Pierott even put in way more filler than needed, including after the manga ended! But, even with all this, the anime never got canceled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, ben0119 said: Black Clover outsold Hunter lolololol! Lol, but he probably hasn't written a page in the last 6 months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 2 hours ago, ben0119 said: Black Clover outsold Hunter lolololol! Uh.... Black Clover had 5 tankōbon releases in 2017 and sold 1,956,974 copies. HxH had 1 tankōbon release and sold 1,514,111. Do the math. BC averaged 391,394.8/vol. HxH averaged..... 1,514,111. Dumbass. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Uh.... Black Clover had 5 tankōbon releases in 2017 and sold 1,956,974 copies. HxH had 1 tankōbon release and sold 1,514,111. Do the math. BC averaged 391,394.8/vol. HxH averaged..... 1,514,111. Dumbass. Must have been a lot of Dragon Quest to play in 2017! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, ben0119 said: Must have been a lot of Dragon Quest to play in 2017! Because the manga industry is known for having exceptional work environments. You realize he was getting ill and taking breaks during the end of YYH, too, right? Or do you just not research anything before talking? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Because the manga industry is known for having exceptional work environments. You realize he was getting ill and taking breaks during the end of YYH, too, right? Or do you just not research anything before talking? Kubo was getting sick a lot and taking a few breaks later on in Bleach. Found out he had a fracture in his drawing arm after it ended. From what I understand Oda is made to take mandatory regular breaks so he doesn't work himself to death. Well then Togashi should have just retired! Doesn't look like the work environment is going to be reformed any time soon. Less established mangaka wouldn't be able get away with what he does, meaning he's an exception and not the rule. Edited September 9, 2018 by ben0119 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, ben0119 said: Kubo was getting sick a lot and taking a few breaks later on in Bleach. Found out he had a fracture in his drawing arm after it ended. From what I understand Oda is made to take mandatory regular breaks so he doesn't work himself to death. Well then Togashi should have just retired! Doesn't look like the work environment is going to be reformed any time soon. Less established mangaka wouldn't be able get away with what he does, meaning he's an exception and not the rule. He's 11 years older than Kubo and was getting sick before Kubo started Bleach. He's stated he plans to finish or die trying, meaning he doesn't want to retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, naraku360 said: He's 11 years older than Kubo and was getting sick before Kubo started Bleach. He's stated he plans to finish or die trying, meaning he doesn't want to retire. But you said he got sick when Yu Yu Hakusho was ending. So if he had retired then and didn't start Hunter x Hunter, he wouldn't have left anything unfinished. Edited September 9, 2018 by ben0119 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 7 hours ago, ben0119 said: But you said he got sick when Yu Yu Hakusho was ending. So if he had retired then and didn't start Hunter x Hunter, he wouldn't have left anything unfinished. He did. Not everyone retires just because they aren't in optimal physical condition. He started it because he wanted to and it could have ended years ago if he wanted to. But that's not what he wanted to do 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 You know what's still depressing though? One Piece's ignoble defeat at the hands of Love Live in 2016! https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-12-29/top-selling-media-franchises-in-japan-2016/.110442 https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-12-23/top-selling-media-franchises-in-japan-2017/.125682 And still #7 in 2017! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/7/2018 at 2:25 AM, ben0119 said: One thing I do hope they improve for season 2, though... ..the women were curvier in the manga. Damn you to HELL, Pierott! I thought that might've been from a doijin for a second but nope it really is from the manga and there is a SIGNIFICANT reduction of her tits in the anime version of the scene wow I mean I don't really care (for reasons I remind you people of every day) but It is slightly surprising the anime toned down the gratuitous objectification of the girls, usually it's the other way around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressAngel Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/11/2018 at 3:09 AM, ben0119 said: You know what's still depressing though? That you're still giggling about Love Live beating One Piece exactly once, two years after it happened? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scope Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) On 9/7/2018 at 5:53 AM, PokeNirvash said: Kimagure Orange Road, Yu Yu Hakusho, Great Teacher Onizuka, Ghost Stories (the dub, at least), Yona of the Dawn... I'd personally say Pierrot's got more of a decent track record than their Shounen Jump adaptations make it appear. True, in adaptations studios in general are only taking the foundation of a show and making it their own, if the foundation is weak what can they really do with it? Also, while the industry is changing the norm is still studios that outsource a lot and use different staff for different shows (sans KyoAni) Just look at Madhouse as good as they are, they still have some pretty solid duds in their resume (ahem...Ninja Scroll the Series and Tenjo Tenge) tldr; all studios vary in quality Edited September 20, 2018 by scope 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 12 hours ago, mochi said: I thought that might've been from a doijin for a second but nope it really is from the manga and there is a SIGNIFICANT reduction of her tits in the anime version of the scene wow I mean I don't really care (for reasons I remind you people of every day) but It is slightly surprising the anime toned down the gratuitous objectification of the girls, usually it's the other way around So drawing women that look like women is "gratuitous objectification?" You sound like the Dead or Alive dev "we made their breasts smaller to make them appear 'more human'". Seems kind of counter to the whole body positivity and accepting different kinds of bodies thing. Hell, Mimosa is even a little on the chubby side. And the food girl turns into a little person at times because... reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, EmpressAngel said: That you're still giggling about Love Live beating One Piece exactly once, two years after it happened? Love Live... THE PINNACLE OF JAPANESE ART, as voted by the Japanese with their wallets. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, ben0119 said: Love Live... THE PINNACLE OF JAPANESE ART, as voted by the Japanese with their wallets. Sad. Because it's typically the PINNACLE OF ART that gets the largest fanbase....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Because it's typically the PINNACLE OF ART that gets the largest fanbase....? Sometimes quality is rewarded, but not always. Doesn't change the fact that Love Live was the best-selling media in Japan! Not just Japanese-made, but everything available that year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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