black_clover Black Clover Page 17 Discussion!!

[StarPanda]

Shit just got real 

[DangerMouse]

Noelle finally getting the chance to have a little swag.

Yup, he can nullify magic.

[AnimationFan14]

1 minute ago, mochi said:

is there a theme tonight other than reruns?

I was gonna say the theme was everyone speaking this week but that joke might be too horrible to say 

[The1gairon]

Just now, AnimationFan14 said:

AND NO MAGIC POWERS 

Isn't tHAT a power?

[OSC]

"Tell me boy. What are you?"

"I'm Batman."

[DangerMouse]

Ripped as fuck!

[mochi]

Just now, AnimationFan14 said:

AND NO MAGIC POWERS 

Asta: **conjures a sword from thin air and slices a wizard in half** WOE IS ME I HAVE NO MAGIC WHAT SHALL I DO!?!?!?!

 

 

[The1gairon]

NOOO NOT A FLASHBACK!!!

I GOD FUCKIN HATE THIS SHOW!!!!

[OSC]

"I'm no pebble. I'm Bam Bam!"

"I thought you said you were Batman."

"You misheard!"

[DangerMouse]

Your drill is the drill that will pierce the Heavens!

[AnimationFan14]

2 minutes ago, elfie said:

Isn't tHAT a power?

If it is, then by saying he doesn’t have a power

he is saying he does have a power 

[mochi]

Just now, elfie said:

NOOO NOT A FLASHBACK!!!

I GOD FUCKIN HATE THIS SHOW!!!!

yep

[StarPanda]

Cool fight 

Good ep

[DangerMouse]

3 minutes ago, elfie said:

Isn't tHAT a power?

Yeah, but apparently not magic. Guess it's "something else".

[AnimationFan14]

1 minute ago, elfie said:

NOOO NOT A FLASHBACK!!!

I GOD FUCKIN HATE THIS SHOW!!!!

*cuddles anger away*

[The1gairon]

Just now, mochi said:

yep

[The1gairon]

Just now, AnimationFan14 said:

*cuddles anger away*

*nuzzles nose*

[ben0119]

A WHOLE ARMY OF DIAMOND CLONES!

We got an edge lord on our hands.

Noelle sticking up for Asta.  You tell him, Noelle.

Yes Asta has trained his body like hell which made him so strong, and CANCELLING MAGIC IS A MAGIC POWER.

I'LL BE THE PEBBLE THAT SHATTERS THE DIAMOND!

Now that scream was warranted.

[ben0119]

22 minutes ago, DangerMouse said:

Yeah, but apparently not magic. Guess it's "something else".

Is the implication that it's demonic power?  I think it was called grimoire of the devil or something, and the book and sword are black.

[Daos]

4 hours ago, mochi said:

yeah Pierrot isn't the best animation studio but they do a better job than Toei

TOEI is so bad they had to hire outside help to make the final arc of Super look good.

[Daos]

5 hours ago, mochi said:

Black Clover's anime adaption is so widely Panned they'd kind of have to know,

Pierrot is paying everyone to say it's the new King of Shonen but even it's fans say it's "just okay"

and most people are unanimous in saying its horrible

You sure it's Pierott and not Shonen Jump? I'm pretty sure it's Shonen Jump pushing this so hard. It's a Naruto clone and they wanted a new Naruto bad.

Everything else aside, the ratings were dismal. That's why it got moved. They don't care if a show is good or not. If it brought in ratings it would be near the top.

[DangerMouse]

4 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Is the implication that it's demonic power?  I think it was called grimoire of the devil or something, and the book and sword are black.

No idea, but I like this theory.

[mochi]

8 hours ago, Daos said:

You sure it's Pierott and not Shonen Jump? I'm pretty sure it's Shonen Jump pushing this so hard. It's a Naruto clone and they wanted a new Naruto bad.

Everything else aside, the ratings were dismal. That's why it got moved. They don't care if a show is good or not. If it brought in ratings it would be near the top.

true, it's more likely SJ who's paying people to lie and pretend they like the show

 

they even produced a video game that I'm almost entirely sure nobody bought

 

 

and the raitings speak for themselves, this show is gonna end up like One Piece in a couple months, I can guarentee it

[PurgatoryGirl]

While watching this morning's episode and in peace without the incessant bitching, it's apparent that the salt seriously burned Klaus' balls. He is seething over the fact, that he had to be rescued by such lowly peasants from "the sticks." This is especially when having to feast his eyes on how buff Asta is from all his physical training yet he cannot open a book to magically fight his own battles.

When you're buff and have the stamina, who needs a magical book to open to fight battles? LOL!

[katt_goddess]

18 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Why was it moved back so much?  Can't say it's just to showcase FLCL because it could have come on right after that.  Instead it's not coming on until midnight central/1am eastern time.

Random, off-the-record-ramblings time. 

Dragon Ball in whatever forms its in is still an old school series [even Supers] and so is the original FLCL. Dragon Ball is a solid lead-in for the block because it's well known and it's violence is 'silly' violence so it's not moving anywhere - anyone can watch it straight from watching Family Guy without anyone really having to worry too much about censorship issues [if you don't have a problem with Peter Griffin running around nekid, you can't exactly bitch about perverted Kai's seeking girly pics]. 

Williams Street funded FLCL Progressive and FLCL Alternate so they need to get a solid audience pulled into a time slot that isn't so late as to completely bork things. The best commercial slots during Toonami are really within the first 1-2 hours maximum for a Saturday night. So they put FLCL in between the Dragon Ball hour and Jo-Jo in the hopes of rating in on both the nostalgia factor tie-in [DB and FLCL orginal] and the surrealist adventures angle [FLCL and Jo-Jo] and in the process being able to sell those commercial slots. I'm guessing that DeMarco's admitted hard on for Gundam will keep it at it's current slot for at least this series so that leaves Black Clover as a lead-in for HunterxHunter. They both share the same youngsters trying to prove themselves magical adventure thing so the pairing should technically work.

Technically.

The trouble is pitching a series backwards while still technically a 'premier' doesn't always work in favor of the series, especially if it's just sort of done without much to announce the move before it happens. So I'm guessing they are really hoping the pairing works to keep those show's prior ratings steady in the new slots while hoping to retain / grow the ratings out of the DB hour for the FLCL incoming triple play.

Ramble ramble ramble. I need coffee and a nap.

[mochi]

apparently some more recent eps of Black Clover have began referencing internet memes

 

 

it is NEVER a good sign when kid's shows start doing this, because it is a sign that they failed to capture the audience they were marketing to and think making "current" jokes will save their show from cancellation

[PokeNirvash]

20 hours ago, elfie said:

NOOO NOT A FLASHBACK!!!

I GOD FUCKIN HATE THIS SHOW!!!!

And I'm supposed to care... why?

[PurgatoryGirl]

14 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

And I'm supposed to care... why?

Because bitching incessantly is their favorite past time, which is all the more reason why it's best to not watch a show, while others from this çommunity have to say, "I don't like this! I don't like that!" 

I'm a complainer too, but I don't sit behind a screen all day for the sake of bitching about every show. If more of us spent all day and night posting in every fan's thread about every show we hated, they would be annoyed to the point, that they would want to tell us to shut up.

Edited April 9, 2018 by PurgatoryGirl

[Blatch]

40 minutes ago, mochi said:

it is NEVER a good sign when kid's shows start doing this, because it is a sign that they failed to capture the audience they were marketing to and think making "current" jokes will save their show from cancellation

I saw Crunchyroll try to market that as a selling point for the show. Needless to say, it was disappointing.

[mochi]

4 minutes ago, Blatch said:

I saw Crunchyroll try to market that as a selling point for the show. Needless to say, it was disappointing.

yep, to be fair CR is one of the outlets being payed by SJ and Pierrot to claim Black Clover is the new king of Shonen

 

a tactic they tried to nearly the same amount of success with Toriko

Edited April 9, 2018 by mochi

[Blatch]

Yup.

Honestly, you just know they're going to nominate it for a bunch of stuff at next year's Anime Awards. At least I have enough confidence in the community to prevent it from winning.

[The1gairon]

... SJ and Pierrot basically PAID Crunchyroll and several other companies to SAY shit.  That is undisguised, massive communism right there.

[mochi]

42 minutes ago, elfie said:

... SJ and Pierrot basically PAID Crunchyroll and several other companies to SAY shit.  That is undisguised, massive communism right there.

SJ has actually been doing that a lot, since Naruto Ended they've been trying to turn every new manga they license into Naruto's "successor" Toriko for example

heck, Boruto was like them panicking when they realized their golden boy was over, they asked Kishimoto to let them continue the series themselves with "Boruto", with Black Clover being the fall back if everyone hated Boruto

[3ngag3]

6 hours ago, mochi said:

yep, to be fair CR is one of the outlets being payed by SJ and Pierrot to claim Black Clover is the new king of Shonen

 

a tactic they tried to nearly the same amount of success with Toriko

The main difference between Black Clover and Toriko is that when it was done to Toriko, Toei pretty much took out everything entertaining from the manga it was adapted from. It might have succeeded otherwise. In the case of Black Clover, they're straight up adapting every aspect of the manga and it's still tanking.

[Daos]

I think the media push has been largely successful. It has name recognition and apparently the manga sells decently. It's never going to be a big hit in the west but even One Piece was never able to achieve that. I think it will get canned from Toonami after its 51 ep run but I think the anime itself will continue until the manga is over.

But paying off Croll to say that it's "one of the best anime adaptations ever" is pretty sickening. Not any different than movie studios buying off critics so they'll say their movie was "A non stop ride of thrills!"

Oh and the fluff pieces about baking the cupcakes from Black Clover were pretty lame as well. Come on Croll have a little bit of integrity. Don't be Shonen Jumps bitch.

And just for fun here's the first review for BC on MAL

This review is going to be short as possible and try to explain why this anime is fucking horrible.
I don't even need to break down in different sections to explain how bad this anime is. The story is pretty much your run down the mill trying to be achieve high status so people can praise him. It's similar on how Naruto wants to be Hokage while Asta trying to be the wizard king. The fucking story is bland and it's literally FAR from original. Unlike Naruto, Asta is fucking pitifully annoying always running around and screaming like a maniac at least 100 times in every episode. Also get's a pretty much OP sword which him cuts magic and pretty much win everything. It's poorly executed even for a Shounen anime. It tries so hard to mask and act like it's Naruto but just x100 shitty version of it. Flashbacks in like almost every episode which tries to give character development but literally actually do the opposite rending the character looks bland and useless. The voice acting for Asta is dreadful. It's trying so hard to be Naruto and TRYING so hard to appeal to the younger audience fans. There's nothing special or even unique in the characters. They're all BLAND BLAND BLAND BLAND. I did not enjoy one second of this anime, I honestly thought this series will shine some light through the Shounen genre just like Academia did but this is probably one of the worst Shounen series there is. People who rates this garbage 7 to 10 is people who blindly watching it, a child, literally barely watches any anime, or don't care about plots but OP main hero that wins everything.

This anime is fucking horrible. People who rates any higher than even a 3 should honestly feel bad. Please don't tell me either to read the manga. I already did and it's just as bad as the anime. Bland story, Art looks horrible, Horrible voice actors, and garbage character developments. 1/10 Trash. Just pure trash.

[mochi]

12 hours ago, 3ngag3 said:

The main difference between Black Clover and Toriko is that when it was done to Toriko, Toei pretty much took out everything entertaining from the manga it was adapted from. It might have succeeded otherwise. In the case of Black Clover, they're straight up adapting every aspect of the manga and it's still tanking.

actually Pierrot is adding new content to Black clover which is the entire problem

Black Clover works best when written in a "less is more" Style, like the manga, where as the anime adaption....adds tons of filler, ruining ANY redeeming aspects BC could've potentially had

 

that said, the Manga still isn't much better unless you genuinely enjoy played out shonen clichee's

 

it's just generic and Bland on every level....but the anime makes it worse

Edited April 9, 2018 by mochi

[OwlChemist81]

Fortunately, our trusty ANN reviewer was slightly more positive about this particular episode:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/black-clover/episode-17/.127242

TL,DR: Rating "B-".

[OwlChemist81]

21 hours ago, elfie said:

... SJ and Pierrot basically PAID Crunchyroll and several other companies to SAY shit.  That is undisguised, massive communism right there.

It's not communism. The term you're looking for is "capitalistic journalism".

In other words, a system by which reporters don't have to tell the truth if they re paid to lie.

But in this case, it isn't exactly a lie, but a dishonest opinion that most likely can't possibly reflect the way the reviewers truly feel, and they're only giving it because they're being paid to give a good review. In other words, they refuse to be Jay Sherman.

But again, that's not communism. 

[Daos]

Hah Owl most of the youngins on here aren't gonna know who Jay Sherman is. I loved The Critic... very underrated show that got cancelled way too fast.

But as he would say about BC.... IT STINKS.

That reviewer gave it a B minus... but he kinda tears up the show during the review. I mean... this is almost scathing.

There's a lot about Black Clover that makes it a frustrating contender for "next big thing" status. Most of its emotional beats are ripped from better Shonen Jump series, and the anime just comes across as flat and dull 90% of the time. But even then there are moments where I at least want to like this show. Even if its ambitions are to follow the generic Jump formula, I see potential for a well-executed version of said formula.

"Potential" is the operative word there.

 

[OwlChemist81]

Yeah, so far it's been a failure to execute, but I'll admit, at first we thought Dragon Ball Super was a failure to execute as well, even back when it was just rehashing movies, and JUST LOOK WHERE it ended up! I doubt Black Clover will follow a similar pattern, but you never know! The show does seem to be getting a little bit better by the week!

[Daos]

On 4/8/2018 at 7:11 PM, PurgatoryGirl said:

Because bitching incessantly is their favorite past time, which is all the more reason why it's best to not watch a show, while others from this çommunity have to say, "I don't like this! I don't like that!" 

I'm a complainer too, but I don't sit behind a screen all day for the sake of bitching about every show. If more of us spent all day and night posting in every fan's thread about every show we hated, they would be annoyed to the point, that they would want to tell us to shut up.

At some point you're just going to have to accept that when bad anime airs on Toonami... it's going to get torn up. This isn't a fan site for BC nor a fan page for the anime.

It would be different if this was a fan page/site and people were coming here to do Zenigundam style trolling and saying "ha ha you like shitty anime this is bad and you should all feel bad!"

 

[mochi]

15 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Yeah, so far it's been a failure to execute, but I'll admit, at first we thought Dragon Ball Super was a failure to execute as well, even back when it was just rehashing movies, and JUST LOOK WHERE it ended up! I doubt Black Clover will follow a similar pattern, but you never know! The show does seem to be getting a little bit better by the week!

I mean Super has definitely improved

 

but it's still not great (Supposedly the final arc abruptly shoots up in terms of overall quality)

[Daos]

55 minutes ago, mochi said:

I mean Super has definitely improved

 

but it's still not great (Supposedly the final arc abruptly shoots up in terms of overall quality)

I mean the plot and writing are still typical standard DBZ fare.... but it does all the stuff right that made people love DBZ in the first place. It's just too bad we had to wait 100 episodes for it. The special 1 hour airing of episode 109-110 really marks the turning point for the series.

[ben0119]

On 4/8/2018 at 5:53 PM, katt_goddess said:

Random, off-the-record-ramblings time. 

Dragon Ball in whatever forms its in is still an old school series [even Supers] and so is the original FLCL. Dragon Ball is a solid lead-in for the block because it's well known and it's violence is 'silly' violence so it's not moving anywhere - anyone can watch it straight from watching Family Guy without anyone really having to worry too much about censorship issues [if you don't have a problem with Peter Griffin running around nekid, you can't exactly bitch about perverted Kai's seeking girly pics]. 

Williams Street funded FLCL Progressive and FLCL Alternate so they need to get a solid audience pulled into a time slot that isn't so late as to completely bork things. The best commercial slots during Toonami are really within the first 1-2 hours maximum for a Saturday night. So they put FLCL in between the Dragon Ball hour and Jo-Jo in the hopes of rating in on both the nostalgia factor tie-in [DB and FLCL orginal] and the surrealist adventures angle [FLCL and Jo-Jo] and in the process being able to sell those commercial slots. I'm guessing that DeMarco's admitted hard on for Gundam will keep it at it's current slot for at least this series so that leaves Black Clover as a lead-in for HunterxHunter. They both share the same youngsters trying to prove themselves magical adventure thing so the pairing should technically work.

Technically.

The trouble is pitching a series backwards while still technically a 'premier' doesn't always work in favor of the series, especially if it's just sort of done without much to announce the move before it happens. So I'm guessing they are really hoping the pairing works to keep those show's prior ratings steady in the new slots while hoping to retain / grow the ratings out of the DB hour for the FLCL incoming triple play.

Ramble ramble ramble. I need coffee and a nap.

I think you put more thought into this than Demarco did.  Your idea admittedly sounds like it could pan out and has some sense to it.

Only problem with that, is while DBZ and FLCL both have the nostalgia thing going for them, they are pretty different from each other, and DBZ was and is mega-popular, mainstream even, while FLCL was always a weird, niche series.  Could that change with the reairing of FLCL in front of more people in a prominent timeslot, and then bringing out the new shows?  Hard to say.

Yeah well Naruto cribbed a lot from HxH, but was actually entertaining, at least for a while, and Black Clover is close to Naruto and Fairy Tail.  So yeah suppose that combo could work.

Yes they should give more warning.  People are likely to think their show got cancelled, etc.  Hell, some people thought SAO got cancelled just because the first season finished airing.

[ben0119]

On 4/8/2018 at 11:01 PM, elfie said:

... SJ and Pierrot basically PAID Crunchyroll and several other companies to SAY shit.  That is undisguised, massive communism right there.

Communism?  What?

Yeah read what Owl said.

[ben0119]

On 4/9/2018 at 4:21 AM, Daos said:

I think the media push has been largely successful. It has name recognition and apparently the manga sells decently. It's never going to be a big hit in the west but even One Piece was never able to achieve that. I think it will get canned from Toonami after its 51 ep run but I think the anime itself will continue until the manga is over.

But paying off Croll to say that it's "one of the best anime adaptations ever" is pretty sickening. Not any different than movie studios buying off critics so they'll say their movie was "A non stop ride of thrills!"

Oh and the fluff pieces about baking the cupcakes from Black Clover were pretty lame as well. Come on Croll have a little bit of integrity. Don't be Shonen Jumps bitch.

And just for fun here's the first review for BC on MAL

This review is going to be short as possible and try to explain why this anime is fucking horrible.
I don't even need to break down in different sections to explain how bad this anime is. The story is pretty much your run down the mill trying to be achieve high status so people can praise him. It's similar on how Naruto wants to be Hokage while Asta trying to be the wizard king. The fucking story is bland and it's literally FAR from original. Unlike Naruto, Asta is fucking pitifully annoying always running around and screaming like a maniac at least 100 times in every episode. Also get's a pretty much OP sword which him cuts magic and pretty much win everything. It's poorly executed even for a Shounen anime. It tries so hard to mask and act like it's Naruto but just x100 shitty version of it. Flashbacks in like almost every episode which tries to give character development but literally actually do the opposite rending the character looks bland and useless. The voice acting for Asta is dreadful. It's trying so hard to be Naruto and TRYING so hard to appeal to the younger audience fans. There's nothing special or even unique in the characters. They're all BLAND BLAND BLAND BLAND. I did not enjoy one second of this anime, I honestly thought this series will shine some light through the Shounen genre just like Academia did but this is probably one of the worst Shounen series there is. People who rates this garbage 7 to 10 is people who blindly watching it, a child, literally barely watches any anime, or don't care about plots but OP main hero that wins everything.

This anime is fucking horrible. People who rates any higher than even a 3 should honestly feel bad. Please don't tell me either to read the manga. I already did and it's just as bad as the anime. Bland story, Art looks horrible, Horrible voice actors, and garbage character developments. 1/10 Trash. Just pure trash.

Don't know if movie studios pay off critics but they are definitely pretty selective about the quotes they put on trailers and such.  I mean just by sheer statistics there's bound to be some critic that likes even the shittiest of movies.

The cupcakes, really?  Not sure they were that featured or it was even said what flavor they were?  If this were Kekkaishi I could understand LOL.

Haha, ouch.  Wouldn't say it's that bad but I think the issue is people just have shonen fatigue and Black Clover wasn't cutting it for them.

[PurgatoryGirl]

On 4/10/2018 at 5:46 AM, Daos said:

At some point you're just going to have to accept that when bad anime airs on Toonami... it's going to get torn up. This isn't a fan site for BC nor a fan page for the anime.

It would be different if this was a fan page/site and people were coming here to do Zenigundam style trolling and saying "ha ha you like shitty anime this is bad and you should all feel bad!"

 

I forgot all about this thread until now. What I'm talking about goes beyond Toonami posters from ASMB. This community in general always has something to bitch about, which I why you don't see me in most threads across this board.

When ASMB posters aren't acting acting like they're Siskel & Every about a show, which is not limited to what airs on Adult Swim, they're bitching about politics, religions, food, their lives, how they can't get laid or a date, how they hate their lives, etc, etc.

As for what airs on the Toonami block, a nice portion of you need to realize, that just because you don't like a certain show, doesn't mean others hate it like you do. In fact, most of the shows you like to nitpick for whatever reason are shows, that some of us actually like. 

Every show has it's flaws in some way or the other. However, we don't spend every post DWELLING on it. Most of the time, I cherry pick which shows I want to watch on TV but I don't spend HOURS online everyday complaining about every show. That's partly why there is so much infighting within both the Toonami fandom and Anime fans in general.

[ben0119]

 

20 minutes ago, PurgatoryGirl said:

I forgot all about this thread until now. What I'm talking about goes beyond Toonami posters from ASMB. This community in general always has something to bitch about, which I why you don't see me in most threads across this board.

When ASMB posters aren't acting acting like they're Siskel & Every about a show, which is not limited to what airs on Adult Swim, they're bitching about politics, religions, food, their lives, how they can't get laid or a date, how they hate their lives, etc, etc.

As for what airs on the Toonami block, a nice portion of you need to realize, that just because you don't like a certain show, doesn't mean others hate it like you do. In fact, most of the shows you like to nitpick for whatever reason are shows, that some of us actually like. 

Every show has it's flaws in some way or the other. However, we don't spend every post DWELLING on it. Most of the time, I cherry pick which shows I want to watch on TV but I don't spend HOURS online everyday complaining about every show. That's partly why there is so much infighting within both the Toonami fandom and Anime fans in general.

 

You'd do best to avoid Babbling/Rants, lol.  Unless you like watching a train wreck.

Yup if you don't like a show you don't have to watch it.  I maintained a completionist policy where I would watch everything ASA and Toonami showed, but after being very patient with Hunter x Hunter, I had to break my own self-imposed rule and drop the show.  You don't see me in the HxH threads endlessly ranting.  There's nothing forcing people to watch shows they don't like.  Continuing to watch something you hate is actually an abnormal thing to do, haha.

Yeah, like many fandoms, most of the hatred comes from infighting within the community, rather than people outside of it who aren't interested in or like the thing.  I mean, even when anime was less popular and unknown or wildly made fun of by non-fans, you had the sub vs dub bullshit and supporters of shows warring with each other like console fanboys.  Now anime seems to be more mainstream and accepted even by non-fans, and you see its influence everywhere, but anime fans continue to bicker amongst themselves.

Edited April 14, 2018 by ben0119

[PurgatoryGirl]

3 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

 

You'd do best to avoid Babbling/Rants, lol.  Unless you like watching a train wreck.

Yup if you don't like a show you don't have to watch it.  I maintained a completionist policy where I would watch everything ASA and Toonami showed, but after being very patient with Hunter x Hunter, I had to break my own self-imposed rule and drop the show.  You don't see me in the HxH threads spreading shit all over the place.  There's nothing forcing people to watch shows they don't like.  Continuing to watch something you hate is actually an abnormal thing to do, haha.

Yeah, like many fandoms, most of the hatred comes from infighting within the community, rather than people outside of it who aren't interested in or like the thing.  I mean, even when anime was less popular and unknown or wildly made fun of by non-fans, you had the sub vs dub bullshit and supporters of shows warring with each other like console fanboys.  Now anime seems to be more mainstream and accepted even by non-fans, and you see its influence everywhere, but anime fans continue to bicker amongst themselves.

Exactly! If I went into every thread across this entire board to complain about every little thing known to man, just about everybody would want to ban me from this entire community.

Here's something you may find funny. Last year for shits and giggles, I Googled "complaint.com" to see if such a site existed. Sure enough, it does! The moment I saw the actual link, I was like, "Well, I'll be damned!"

[The1gairon]

I got my ammo ready whenever I hear Todd on Toonami for the umpteenth fuckin time.