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ONLY if you're looking at total viewers. Super actually kicked FG's butt once again in all the major demos, which is FAR more important! Besides, this is actually the first time since 3/31 that DBS failed to get over a million total viewers, and only the 5th time since the current arc began; 9 times it has exceeded that benchmark!

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Just in case anyone is curious, the new TG season didn't learn a thing from the previous 2 seasons. Still complete shit. 20 new characters added. No/ poor explanations for why anything is happening. Badly paced. Everyone claiming that you need to read the manga because the anime is crap.

Coming soon to Toonami!

 

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I'd say worse. BC gets a lot of hate but at least you can follow it. And you're not constantly asking... who's that? Who's that? Which guy was that? Is that the guy from before or a new guy?  2 year timeskip plus amnesia plotline = hot mess

I thought when they canned the guy who directed the awful S2 they were looking to right the ship, and not go down in history as one of the worst manga to anime adaptations of all time. But amazingly it has all the same problems.

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Unreal. I think Gundam Unicorn may have suffered from the same thing--only difference is GU was a DAMN treat to look at and the music was great too! Tokyo ghoul? Nothing to write home about!

Hopefully Gundam Narrative (the sequel to Gundam Unicorn) is a little easier to follow. Gundam IBO had its moments but it was a lot easier to follow. And right now, it feels like a damn Shakespearian tragedy!

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Is TG;re actually that bad? I watched the first episode and somehow didn't hate it. There were a couple of new characters introduced, but the show actually had the foresight to list their full names at the same time. That probably makes thing slightly easier to follow, although you'll probably forget someone over time due to just how many there are.

For what it's worth, the ANN reviewer gave the first three episodes a collective B+, and the most recent got a B-, although their assessment wasn't strictly negative. They just thought it was too complex, and not a good episode when watching the show on a weekly basis.

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Speaking of shows airing this season whose previous franchise entries have aired on Toonami before: new SAO.  

I'd say it's just as likely (if not more so) that Toonami might attempt to get it vs. TG;re.  

It seems to be getting pretty decent feedback so far, too.  Apparently the "no Kirito" factor makes a big difference lol.  

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21 hours ago, Blatch said:

Is TG;re actually that bad? I watched the first episode and somehow didn't hate it. There were a couple of new characters introduced, but the show actually had the foresight to list their full names at the same time. That probably makes thing slightly easier to follow, although you'll probably forget someone over time due to just how many there are.

For what it's worth, the ANN reviewer gave the first three episodes a collective B+, and the most recent got a B-, although their assessment wasn't strictly negative. They just thought it was too complex, and not a good episode when watching the show on a weekly basis.

Eh does ANN ever give anything bad reviews? It's kind of like an entire site full of Owlchemists. The reviews for the much despised second season of TG are... overwhelmingly positive.

SAO alternative.... well I was hoping for something interesting here... it's watchable but nothing special. So far there's just no stakes. Nothing is at stake. At all. No one is trapped in a game, and no one is at risk of dying. I'm not even sure what the plot is supposed to be at this point other than a vehicle for emotional self discovery for the protagonist.

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1 hour ago, Daos said:

SAO alternative.... well I was hoping for something interesting here... it's watchable but nothing special. So far there's just no stakes. Nothing is at stake. At all. No one is trapped in a game, and no one is at risk of dying. I'm not even sure what the plot is supposed to be at this point other than a vehicle for emotional self discovery for the protagonist.

Reason number one it's already leagues better than regular SAO. :D

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On 4/28/2018 at 5:55 AM, Daos said:

Eh does ANN ever give anything bad reviews? It's kind of like an entire site full of Owlchemists. The reviews for the much despised second season of TG are... overwhelmingly positive.

SAO alternative.... well I was hoping for something interesting here... it's watchable but nothing special. So far there's just no stakes. Nothing is at stake. At all. No one is trapped in a game, and no one is at risk of dying. I'm not even sure what the plot is supposed to be at this point other than a vehicle for emotional self discovery for the protagonist.

It depends. I've seen some anime, albeit mostly stuff like Hand Shakers, be given craptastic scores. It probably depends on the reviewer; at least for an established franchise like Tokyo Ghoul, you can grab someone who liked the previous seasons, and thus are more likely to give it a good score. Now, it's probably not a good idea to try and contradict the majority opinion with one review (if it is that way), but considering that I previously railed against OwlChemist for doing that, I guess I just wanted to be a hypocrite. :D

Regarding GGO Alternative, the fact that there is no death game is one of its biggest selling points. The plot is nowhere near as dramatic, but I think the protagonist discovering herself through this VRMMO with guns makes for just as entertaining of a show.

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And that;s the SPIN-OFF.  That isn't even written by the original mangaka! 

This is like the TRAILERS for the movie Avatar gaining rave reviews, and even a countdown to that trailer's release!  Their "baseball caps are themselves getting merch OF the baseball caps!"

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If SAO's new seasons don't somehow find their way to Toonami when dubbed, there is seriously something wrong.

How did the Series Finale of Gundam IBO fare? Well...

Final Cable 2018 Apr 28.SAT

It not only got beat by Black Clover, it couldn't muster even 500K and 0.20 18-49. Sure it made the Top 50, but still, not a good luck, Gundam. That said, I'm sure Toonami isn't done with Gundam for good, but it is done with Gundam for the foreseeable future.

P2+ Last Week This Week Change
DBS 953,000 909,000 -44,000
DBZKFC 790,000 767,000 -23,000
JoJo 512,000 518,000 6,000
Gundam 472,000 451,000 -21,000
Bclover 452,000 486,000 34,000
    AVERAGE -9,600
       
A 18-34 Last Week This Week Change
DBS 0.59 0.53  -0.06
DBZKFC 0.47 0.44  -0.03
JoJo 0.30 0.28  -0.02
Gundam 0.28 0.22  -0.06
Bclover 0.29 0.25  -0.04
    AVERAGE -0.04
       
A 18-49 Last Week This Week Change
DBS 0.45 0.43  -0.02
DBZKFC 0.38 0.34  -0.04
JoJo 0.24 0.22  -0.02
Gundam 0.23 0.19  -0.04
Bclover 0.22 0.20  -0.02
    AVERAGE -0.03

Dragon Ball Super misses the million mark for the 2nd week in a row, something that hasn't happened since the beginning of the year. And except for Black Clover, everything was down vs. last week. But next week the impact of My Hero Academia should lift slots before it. It will be interesting to see what kind of effect it has on FLCL and everything after, though.

Total Viewers  
Show People Retention  
DBS 909,000      N/A  
DBZKFC 767,000 84.38%  
JoJo 518,000 67.54%*  
Gundam 451,000 87.07%  
Bclover 486,000 107.76%  
       
Adults 18-34
Show Rating Estimate Retention
DBS 0.53 360,000      N/A
DBZKFC 0.44 299,000 83.02%
JoJo 0.28 190,000 63.64%*
Gundam 0.22 150,000 78.57%
Bclover 0.25 170,000 113.64%
       
Adults 18-49
Show Rating Estimate Retention
DBS 0.43 551,000      N/A
DBZKFC 0.34 436,000 79.07%
JoJo 0.22 282,000 64.71%*
Gundam 0.19 244,000 86.36%
Bclover 0.20 256,000 105.26%
       
Adults 18-49  
Show     Rank Change  
DBS   #6 +2  
DBZKFC   #8 +3  
JoJo   #32  -12  
Gundam   #39  -15  
Bclover   #36  -10  

*Note: Not a pure "back-to-back" retention figure. Get used to seeing these, as we'll probably have TWO of them next week.

Damn, look at Black Clover go. I guess that's what you'd expect out of the show on the lineup with the newest animation. We'll see how it does back a slot behind Hunter x Hunter next week, though. Gundam IBO's finale pretty much tied with Mind Game in 18-34 and 18-49 rank, but the former didn't have the handicap of the next 1.75 hours. And of course, we'll most likely see a bit later today how well everything else on the lineup fared, either by ShowBuzzDaily, who seems to have shaken off their jury duty woes, or by Programming Insider.

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19 minutes ago, elfie said:

I hate that place. Amid is trying to be the new TMZ and I was banned there "forever" 5 years ago. Do not ever link to Cartoon Brew here ever again.

Elfie, shut the fuck up. Telling someone not to do something because it offends your feelings, and without saying please at that, it just assholish.

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I won't link their shitty site, but I WILL repost the graph.

cableratings_2018.jpg


I was taught in grad school that you need to cite the original source, and this graph does a fine example of that. No need to cite CartoonBoob here.

That blue line for 2017-18 is less than A THIRD of the gray line halfway between 1.50 and the baseline. But does that mean it's a third of 750K? Not exactly. Note that the number given for the gray line two lines up from the 1.50 is marked with a 2.50. So the baseline is 0.50 million, or 500K, and the blue line in 2017-18 is most likely around 625K. Toonami's 2017 average was about 684K, but its 2018 average so far is 538K, which is still lower, but since only one of its timeslots is primetime and the rest are either late night (11 PM-1 AM) or overnight (1-3 AM), that matters less.

Also of note is the fact that in 2010, CN still had 3 hours of primetime except on Sundays. As of late-ish in 2014, except for special events which were discontinued, CN only had one hour of primetime (the 7 PM hour). That probably explains partially why its numbers are a bit lower, but overall it got trashed less severely than Nick and Disney. Especially Disney--WOW!

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Someone posts CN's weekly schedule on Twitter. They actually improved by showing more variety in programming.

Toonami growing in size shows Adult Swim values it a lot more than themselves. Sadly, their own programming hasn't been good aside from Rick and Morty, and they're realizing they gotta reach toward another blcok for help.

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UPDATED:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-4-28-2018.html

"Adult Swim’s late-night line-up performed as follows:  DRAGON BALL at 0.43/0.34 compared to last week’s 0.45/0.38, FOOLY COOLY steady at 0.27/610K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURES down 0.02 to 0.22, MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM down 0.04 to 0.19, BLACK CLOVER down 0.02 to 0.20, HUNTER X HUNTER up 0.01 to 0.21/470K, NARUTO steady at 0.19/418K, SPACE DANDY up 0.01 to 0.17/368K, COWBOY BEBOP up 0.02 to 0.17/374K, and GHOST IN THE SHELL down 0.01 to 0.15/345K."

Average 520K, 11th out of 17 weeks so far in 2018.

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10 minutes ago, elfie said:

Someone posts CN's weekly schedule on Twitter. They actually improved by showing more variety in programming.

while the adult swim servlet was taken down around last october (i think), the cartoon network one has still been active but might have just shut down http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimdynsched/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS as has the boomerang one http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimdynsched/servlet/BoomerangServlet?action=selectBMDay

there is still the cartoon network xml page though http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/cnschedule/xmlServices/1.EST.xml

nothing on their website for years though

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This was a pretty good week for Toonami.

Their top five shows all had an above average share in key demo and did really well with males, which is [as]'s target demo.

I think they shuffled BC back a bit too early on, another knee jerk kind of thing, particularly considering how long they let Jojo soil things.

 

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7 hours ago, korosu said:

while the adult swim servlet was taken down around last october (i think), the cartoon network one has still been active but might have just shut down http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimdynsched/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS as has the boomerang one http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimdynsched/servlet/BoomerangServlet?action=selectBMDay

there is still the cartoon network xml page though http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/cnschedule/xmlServices/1.EST.xml

nothing on their website for years though

Then I GOT NO idea where that guy got that schedule!

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48 minutes ago, elfie said:

Then I GOT NO idea where that guy got that schedule!

zap2it is still around but in terms of an official schedule, it's only there in the xml now.

haven't been following them too closely but it seems that lately there have been a bunch of last minute schedule changes that zap2it and cable guides don't pick up. i wonder how much of an effect the lack of a schedule page on their website has on people watching the channel, but in their own words, the app is more important.

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On 4/30/2018 at 9:13 PM, elfie said:

And that;s the SPIN-OFF.  That isn't even written by the original mangaka! 

This is like the TRAILERS for the movie Avatar gaining rave reviews, and even a countdown to that trailer's release!  Their "baseball caps are themselves getting merch OF the baseball caps!"

Not only is it not written by the original author... it has none of the original characters. It's SAO in name only and it's still successful.

Kind of reminds me of the old Dragonlance books when they got farmed out to a hundred different authors of varying abilities. Anyone memba those?

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1 hour ago, Daos said:

It's time for Elfie's favorite Toonami pundit.... JohnsonHood!

 

Parts of this are decent, but others are exceedingly stupid. It's BECAUSE My Hero Academia was acquired when it was, with only like 7 episodes of DBZ Kai left, that we're never really gonna know the effect that Kai has on it beyond that. If it was acquired a year ago, it would have been MORE at Kai's mercy!

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18 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

I won't link their shitty site, but I WILL repost the graph.

cableratings_2018.jpg


I was taught in grad school that you need to cite the original source, and this graph does a fine example of that. No need to cite CartoonBoob here.

That blue line for 2017-18 is less than A THIRD of the gray line halfway between 1.50 and the baseline. But does that mean it's a third of 750K? Not exactly. Note that the number given for the gray line two lines up from the 1.50 is marked with a 2.50. So the baseline is 0.50 million, or 500K, and the blue line in 2017-18 is most likely around 625K. Toonami's 2017 average was about 684K, but its 2018 average so far is 538K, which is still lower, but since only one of its timeslots is primetime and the rest are either late night (11 PM-1 AM) or overnight (1-3 AM), that matters less.

Also of note is the fact that in 2010, CN still had 3 hours of primetime except on Sundays. As of late-ish in 2014, except for special events which were discontinued, CN only had one hour of primetime (the 7 PM hour). That probably explains partially why its numbers are a bit lower, but overall it got trashed less severely than Nick and Disney. Especially Disney--WOW!

cartoon network is shit after they removed the classics then on boomerang lets move those same shitty shows that killed CN to Boomerang 

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Well, we know a little bit more now about what went down Saturday night:

http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-tnt-wins-prime-time-with-nba-playoff-doubleheader/

Family Guy (R) (ADSM, Sat. 4/28/18 10:00 PM, 30 min.)
– 0.898 million viewers (#93)
– 0.517 million adults 18-49 (0.40 A18-49 rating) (#15)

Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, Sat. 4/28/18 10:30 PM, 30 min.)
– 0.909 million viewers (#90)
– 0.555 million adults 18-49 (0.43 A18-49 rating) (#12)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters (ADSM, Sat. 4/28/18 11:00 PM, 30 min.)
– 0.767 million viewers (#160)
– 0.445 million adults 18-49 (0.35 A18-49 rating) (#20)

Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders (ADSM, Sat. 4/28/18 12:00 AM, 30 min.)
– 0.518 million viewers (#395)
– 0.281 million adults 18-49 (0.22 A18-49 rating) (#110)

Black Clover (ADSM, Sat. 4/28/18 1:00 AM, 30 min.)
– 0.486 million viewers (#430)
– 0.261 million adults 18-49 (0.20 A18-49 rating) (#149)

It was pretty bad in the old days, even a year ago, when DBS (Or Bleach, AOT, or DBZKai) tumbled in viewership from Family Guy by like 200K to as high as 500K, but that just doesn't happen anymore since that 10:30 PM episode is almost always a dub premiere. Not only did DBS handily beat its Family Guy lead-in once again in 18-49, this time by 38K, it edged it out in total viewers by 11K. Why they didn't list FLCL or Gundam IBO in this list is beyond me, but I digress. I guess #110 and #149 for the entire day for JoJo and Black Clover is pretty good though. Don't worry; we still got the full chart:

Adult Swim PROGRAM Viewers (000) A1849 rating A1849 (000)
10:30 Dragon Ball Super 909 0.43 555
11:00 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters 767 0.35 445
11:30 Fooly Cooly (r) 610 0.27 353
12:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 518 0.22 281
12:30a Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans 451 0.19 242
1:00a Black Clover 486 0.20 261
ProgrammingInsider.com
1:30a Hunter X Hunter (r) 470 0.21 277
2:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 418 0.19 251
2:30a Space Dandy (r) 368 0.17 222
3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 374 0.17 214
3:30a Ghost In Shell: 2nd Gig (r) 345 0.15 195

For the entire week of April 16-22, 2018 in Total Day (8 p.m. to 5:59 a.m.), Adult Swim is up 3.6 percent in viewership (760,000 vs. 734,000) and up 5.8 percent among Adults 18-49 (485,000 vs. 459,000) from one week earlier; the network is also down 6 percent in viewership (760,000 vs. 809,000) and down 2 percent among Adults 18-49 (485,000 vs. 495,000) from the same week one year ago (April 24-30, 2017).

DBS winning the night on [as] is great, but the ratings for the post-midnight portion of the block not getting out of the 200K range in 18-49 isn't so great. As a result, the 18-49 average was 14th out of 17 weeks so far in 2018, well below average. Hopefully My Hero Academia is the hero that saves the numbers in the post-midnight portion of the block. But it might be until we have new FLCL that we see any real improvement.

As for retention:

4/28/18 - Total Viewers
Show Viewers Retention
Family Guy 898,000  
DBS 909,000 101.22%
DBZKFC 767,000 84.38%
FLCL 610,000 79.53%
JoJo 518,000 84.92%
Gundam 451,000 87.07%
BClover 486,000 107.76%
HxH 470,000 96.71%
Shippuden 418,000 88.94%
Dandy 368,000 88.04%
Bebop 374,000 101.63%
GITS 345,000 92.25%

FLCL was the worst retainer of the night in total viewers; the best was unsurprisingly Black Clover, but Super and Bebop continue to do exceptional as well.

4/28/18 - Adults 18-49
Show Total Viewers Adults 18-49
Family Guy 517,000  
DBS 555,000 107.35%
DBZKFC 445,000 80.18%
FLCL 353,000 79.33%
JoJo 281,000 79.60%
Gundam 242,000 86.12%
BClover 261,000 107.85%
HxH 277,000 106.13%
Shippuden 251,000 90.61%
Dandy 222,000 88.45%
Bebop 214,000 96.40%
GITS 195,000 91.12%

In Adults 18-49, Black Clover and HxH were the best retainers outside of Super; let's see what happens next week when they swap. I'm expecting MHA to end the 11:30 slot's "worst retainer" woes that it has been stuck with pretty much since it was regained last year, but will the midnight hour now be the red spot of the night between old FLCL and JoJo? We'll find out next week!

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... that.  Is the worst I remember seeing 10 PM Family Guy performing yet (though that's just my own horrible memory).  That said, it's amazing that DB Super still beat it!  Not surprised FLCL is doing so so since it's ....... its FIFTH time rerunning??

Where are you All Might???  We need saving!

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3 minutes ago, elfie said:

... that.  Is the worst I remember seeing 10 PM Family Guy performing yet (though that's just my own horrible memory).  That said, it's amazing that DB Super still beat it!  Not surprised FLCL is doing so so since it's ....... its FIFTH time rerunning??

Where are you All Might???  We need saving!

On Toonami, this is FLCL's 3rd airing. On [as]?? Too numerous to count! From Fall 2011 to Spring 2012 right before Toonami made its impact, it aired at 2 AM EVERY Saturday night, save Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve (Bleach marathons).

As for All-Might... "Fear not, for I am here, this Saturday Night!"

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4 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

On Toonami, this is FLCL's 3rd airing. On [as]?? Too numerous to count! From Fall 2011 to Spring 2012 right before Toonami made its impact, it aired at 2 AM EVERY Saturday night, save Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve (Bleach marathons).

As for All-Might... "Fear not, for I am here, this Saturday Night!"

How do you explain Family Guy's ratings? Competition?

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5 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

On Toonami, this is FLCL's 3rd airing. On [as]?? Too numerous to count! From Fall 2011 to Spring 2012 right before Toonami made its impact, it aired at 2 AM EVERY Saturday night, save Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve (Bleach marathons).

As for All-Might... "Fear not, for I am here, this Saturday Night!"

One of his battle cries: "LIVE FROM NEWYORKIT'SSATURDAYNIIIIGHT!!!" *punch!*

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3 minutes ago, elfie said:

How do you explain Family Guy's ratings? Competition?

I think so. It will be interesting to see what happens this weekend with (as far as I can see) no NBA competition.

Ironically, Super seems to shine under intense competition more so than FG reruns on a percentage basis, but of course not necessarily an aggregate basis.

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21 hours ago, elfie said:

When did I say I liked him?  In fact, I hate most pundits.

Elfie how are you this bad at detecting sarcasm? I mean I said that because you literally have said that you hate this guy before. =P

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4 hours ago, Daos said:

Elfie how are you this bad at detecting sarcasm? I mean I said that because you literally have said that you hate this guy before. =P


Sure I will admit outside my usual impulsive posts: I can't detect sarcasm online very well. It's a problem that stems from my real life cautionary behavior.  But it's a problem MANY people online have, and shouldn't be accused of.

 

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24 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

I believe at some point SAO will be back on Toonami. If they know what's good for them, they'll play Gun Gale Online Alternative first, then after it ends, SAO 3: Alicization.

Maybe replacing Black Clover?

They may rerun SAO at some point unless a dub for Alternative or Season 3 arrives soon.

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1 hour ago, elfie said:

They may rerun SAO at some point unless a dub for Alternative or Season 3 arrives soon.

That would be interesting...but doubtful. They lost the rights to SAO2 over a year ago!

Also, since Toonami HAS now played anime in Japanese with English subtitles, wonder if they would dare to play the dub of GGOA back-to-back with world premiere subtitled SAO3 in a late-night timeslot??

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, they're not that powerful...

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