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So all non Dragonball stuff bombed...again.

 

Meanwhile Netflix has announced their plan for 30 new anime projects for 2018.

 

I can hear DeMarco throwing stuff at the wall.

 

Netflix's growth rose 64% in the past 12 months.

 

They announced they will release 30 new animes they produced, and 80 movies for 2018 every fuckin FOUR DAYS.

 

They will make a live-action Mob Psycho 100 show.

 

 

....

 

... anyone still wondering why cable ratings are failing, line up in a row.

 

 

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Netflix's growth rose 64% in the past 12 months.

 

They announced they will release 30 new animes they produced, and 80 movies for 2018 every fuckin FOUR DAYS.

 

They will make a live-action Mob Psycho 100 show.

 

 

....

 

... anyone still wondering why cable ratings are failing, line up in a row.

 

They probably got the anime as well (MP100)

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  So, basically the premiere of DBS is doing fine, just not for Toonami because [as] signed a foolish contract....

Jojo soils everything that follows, which is now pretty much an established fact.

IBO is not strong enough yet on its own to make up for the spill over from the soiling, which I sort of suspected might be the case.

 

that may change when everyone starts dying

 

Misaka is an asshat

Lupin III is okay where it is, but if it was a close out show in the rerun slot it might be a bit better, kind of a toss up there.

 

I think that just about covers everything.

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When I saw that the thread went to a new page, I was hoping for the return of MC Bacon.  Glad to see I wasn't disappointed.

 

So what the hell happened to the 8:30 Super?  Was it really all from the lead in?  I doubt it.  There has to be more to it than that.  Personally, though, I'm going to consider it a fluke until further notice. 

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75 percent retention for Jojo and 85 percent retention for IBO.

 

The Jojo/ IBO power hour is wiping out 40 percent of Toonami's audience.

 

You mean "powerless" hour? Sad, but true.

 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-10-14-2017.html#comment-179393

 

"Adult Swim’s line-up performed as follows:  in primetime, DRAGON BALL was up 0.03 to 0.39/961K and up 0.15 to 0.51; in late-night, it was steady at 0.46/933K and steady at 0.40, while JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURES held at 0.31, MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM was down 0.04 to 0.26, HUNTER X HUNTER down 0.06 to 0.25/527K, LUPIN THE 3RD down 0.06 to 0.21, NARUTO down 0.06 to 0.22/438K, OUTLAW STAR down 0.05 to 0.19/390K, COWBOY BEBOP down 0.05 to 0.17/342K, and ATTACK ON TITAN down 0.05 to 0.15/314K."

 

TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 961,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 1,167,000 (121.44%)

 

10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT) 1,316,000

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 933,000 (70.90%)

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 842,000 (90.25%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 638,000 (75.77%)

12:30 AM Gundam IBO S2 545,000 (85.42%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 527,000 (96.70%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 440,000 (83.49%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 438,000 (99.55%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 390,000 (89.04%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 342,000 (87.69%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 314,000 (91.81%)

TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 540,900

 

http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-tbs-wins-prime-time-cubs-dodgers-nlcs/

 

Oddly enough, no 18-49 total viewers from Programming Insider this week. They may add them later, but here's all we get for now:

 

ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 0.39

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 0.51 (130.77%)

 

10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT) 0.63

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 0.46 (73.02%)

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 0.40 (86.96%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 0.31 (77.50%)

12:30 AM Gundam IBO S2 0.26 (83.87%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 0.25 (96.15%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 0.21 (84.00%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 0.22 (104.76%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 0.19 (86.36%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 0.17 (89.47%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 0.15 (88.24%)

TOONAMI ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE - 0.26

 

 

Wow, I thought AOT S2 might have gotten a boost because this was the only shot DirecTV customers had to get it watchably in HD on DVR. I guess I thought wrong. Maybe they saw it on-demand and were so letdown by it they didn't care anymore? No, that really can't be the case, right? At any rate, it goes out with a whimper, a modest 0.15, rather than a bang.

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1.3 mil for family guy? Way higher than normal.

 

A laughable 70 percent retention for Super. Wonder if it can break into the 60's?

 

So between Super, Jojo, and IBO Toonami loses 70 percent of it's viewers. Nice.

 

These retention rates are terrible. I’m pretty sure the network can’t be too happy with this if it becomes a trend. I’m actually really curious what they’ll do. The Super deal continues to bite them in the ass. How did they manage to ditch it for that one week only to immediately have it return?

 

I’m certain the budget is depleted for the rest of the year so there’s not much they can do with this lineup other than maybe move HxH and Shippuden up where Jojo and Gundam are, but I don’t know if that would yield better results. Either way, the network has to figure this out.

 

8:30 Super also has a huge advanrage because that’s what the DVRS record and there’s more time to watch it before the cut off time. The rest of the block doesn’t have that much time. The 11:00 Super won’t get much DVR views because you have to manually pick it (every week I have to cancel 8:30 and pick 11:00)

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Well.... they could give HxH Gundam's spot. Continuing to lose an assload of viewers after losing 20- 25 percent from Jojo has gotta stop, and we know Gundam isn't going to stop this.

 

They should move Lupin to the back of the block, that show has been a ratings disaster. Naruto should probably take its spot.

 

Oh and cancel Super. Are we seriously going to do this with Super for 3 years?

 

 

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Well.... they could give HxH Gundam's spot. Continuing to lose an assload of viewers after losing 20- 25 percent from Jojo has gotta stop, and we know Gundam isn't going to stop this.

 

They should move Lupin to the back of the block, that show has been a ratings disaster. Naruto should probably take its spot.

 

Oh and cancel Super. Are we seriously going to do this with Super for 3 years?

 

I can’t imagine this continuing like this for much longer without some intervention. They have to stop the bleeding.

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Yes, clearly we need to "stop the bleeding" of a lineup that expanded an entire hour with most of these shows and JoJo's is apparently doing okay. Do you all realize how stupid this sounds?

 

The numbers may not add up, but in the end, I'll gladly take the word of god if only because it means I won't participate in inglorious arguments.

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When I saw that the thread went to a new page, I was hoping for the return of MC Bacon.  Glad to see I wasn't disappointed.

 

So what the hell happened to the 8:30 Super?  Was it really all from the lead in?  I doubt it.  There has to be more to it than that.  Personally, though, I'm going to consider it a fluke until further notice. 

 

welcome  :)

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That 8:30 PM Super is just KILLING it!! It did that well up against COLLEGE FOOTBALL!! The only way Adult Swim is messing with that is if they suddenly lose the 8 PM hour back to CN. Then I daresay Super premieres would continue at 9 PM.

 

I don't want Toonami to lose the 11 PM hour but premieres at 9 PM may be safer. Are JoJo and Gundam REALLY that much worse content-wise than Rick & Morty?

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Yes, clearly we need to "stop the bleeding" of a lineup that expanded an entire hour with most of these shows and JoJo's is apparently doing okay. Do you all realize how stupid this sounds?

 

The numbers may not add up, but in the end, I'll gladly take the word of god if only because it means I won't participate in inglorious arguments.

 

To be honest, I’m still putting most of the blame on prime time and how Super is set up. We never really got to see how a real Super premiere would do following Family Guy. The rest of the lineup drops somewhat normally based on past numbers (I’ve been calculating different ones and you’ll always drop a lot following DBZ, Kill la Kill would shed 300-400 k from Kai regularly)

 

It’s just that Super should have taken things to another level and this stupid deal with TOEI and the weak prime time lineup is ruining where Toonami starts the night. 

 

We don’t have to have arguments about it. Everyone can have their take on the situation without it having to turn ugly, it’s not that big of a deal! ?

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As much as I like JoJo's, it IS kinda embarrassing that so few people are watching it at MIDNIGHT, Toonami's classic home for the best episodes!

 

But by the same token, a Toonami block that begins at 11 PM is a dream come true, no matter what the ratings are.

 

That said, why can't the 8-10 time frame ALSO be considered "Toonami"? It might not make much sense during Football season, but outside of that, an 8-10 PM time frame that is called some form of "Toonami" would be interesting, you gotta admit!

 

And finally:

 

ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT, Estimated) 500,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT, Estimated) 654,000 (130.80%)

 

10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT, Estimated) 808,000

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 588,000 (72.77%)

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 513,000 (87.24%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 400,000 (77.97%)

12:30 AM Gundam IBO S2 331,000 (82.75%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 325,000 (98.19%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 270,000 (83.08%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 278,000 (102.96%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 244,000 (87.77%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 222,000 (90.98%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 192,000 (86.49%)

TOONAMI ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE - 336,300

 

http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-tbs-wins-prime-time-cubs-dodgers-nlcs/

 

CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES

Total Viewers

Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 837,250 (36 episodes)

Dragon Ball Super (Toonami) - 1,014,432 (37 episodes)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 937,342 (38 episodes)

JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 654,818 (11 episodes)

Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans - 560,500 (2 episodes)

Hunter × Hunter - 754,257 (70 episodes)

Lupin the 3rd - 495,313 (16 episodes)

Naruto: Shippuden - 815,390 (178 episodes)

Outlaw Star - 429,875 (8 episodes)

Cowboy Bebop - 406,500 (6 episodes)

Attack on Titan Season 2 Rerun - 340,364 (12 episodes)

 

Adults 18-49

Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 420,139 (36 episodes)

Dragon Ball Super (Toonami) - 615,649 (37 episodes)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 566,500 (38 episodes)

JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 404,000 (11 episodes)

Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans - 360,500 (2 episodes)

Hunter × Hunter - 450,943 (70 episodes)

Lupin the 3rd - 294,063 (16 episodes)

Naruto: Shippuden - 453,321 (161 episodes)

Outlaw Star - 262,875 (8 episodes)

Cowboy Bebop - 246,000 (6 episodes)

Attack on Titan Season 2 Rerun - 239,182 (12 episodes)

 

Adults 18-34 (Estimated)

Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 270,618 (34 episodes)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 383,395 (38 episodes)

JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 276,600 (10 episodes)

Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans - 248,000 (2 episodes)

Lupin the 3rd - 201,929 (14 episodes)

 

Longer-running shows later on have higher averages--that's evidence that this block has seen better days!

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Well, it's another ho-hum week going into the marathon, but a couple of shows hit new highs! Here's how the cable originals went down:

 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-10-21-2017.html

 

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10/21/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8:30) #20 (-8)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.34

Estimated 18-34 - 231,000 ( 31.39% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.29

Estimated 18-49 - 372,000 ( 50.54% )

Total Viewers - 736,000

 

10/21/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters #12 (+4)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.49

Estimated 18-34 - 333,000 ( 38.72% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.40

Estimated 18-49 - 513,000 ( 59.65% )

Total Viewers - 860,000

 

10/21/2017 JJBA: Stardust Crusaders - #13 (+8)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.42

Estimated 18-34 - 285,000 ( 40.95% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.35

Estimated 18-49 - 449,000 ( 64.51% )

Total Viewers - 696,000

 

10/21/2017 Gundam IBO - #16 (+10)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.40

Estimated 18-34 - 272,000 ( 41.98% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.32

Estimated 18-49 - 410,000 ( 63.27% )

Total Viewers - 648,000

 

10/21/2017 Lupin the 3rd - #21 (+18)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.37

Estimated 18-34 - 251,000 ( 46.40% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.28

Estimated 18-49 - 359,000 ( 66.36% )

Total Viewers - 541,000

 

Yes, that's the first time a Gundam show has climbed over 600K and 400K 18-49 since Gundam Unicorn got relegated to 2 AM, and that's a new high for Lupin in 18-34 and 18-49!

 

Pretty much business as usual for DBZ KFC and JoJo: Stardust Crusaders although potentially over 450K IS pretty good for JoJo. Remember, Rome was not re-built in a day, and as long as there's no major shakeups for a while outside of marathon events, I expect Toonami's ratings to keep climbing slowly but steadily.

 

Meanwhile, prime time Dragon Ball Super plunged all the way from a 0.51 18-49 to a 0.29. Ouch! I guess that's what happens when [as] CN lead-in isn't as strong, as Lego Movie from 2014 was apparently much weaker than Teen Titans: Trouble in Tokyo! But it will be led-into by the 2015 Adventure Time movie this week, and that should provide a boost for the reruns.

 

We'll find out more about the last normal night in October later on today!

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Walking Dead's special got beat by both DBZ Kai and JoJo in 18-49. That's not too shabby!

 

Even though those timeslots used to pull millions in overall viewers, and now they're 600-800K, as long as they keep doing well in 18-49, Toonami's not in any danger.

 

Well unless they have a ppv match again toonami seems to fair

Until this Saturday

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ShowBuzzDaily updated, so more info:

 

"Adult Swim’s line-up fared as follows:  in primetime, DRAGON BALL down 0.15 to 0.24/735K and down 0.11 to 0.29; in late-night, DRAGON BALL down 0.03 to 0.43/940K and steady at 0.40, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE up 0.04 to 0.35, MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM up 0.06 to 0.32, HUNTER X HUNTER up 0.06 to 0.31/623K, LUPIN THE 3RD up 0.07 to 0.28, NARUTO up 0.11 to 0.33/632K, OUTLAW STAR up 0.02 to 0.21/427K, COWBOY BEBOP up 0.04 to 0.21/427K, and GHOST IN THE SHELL at 0.19/385K."

 

Yes, it seems Naruto Shippuden beat Gundam IBO and everything between in 18-49! As for total viewers, it came close:

 

TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 735,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 736,000 (100.14%)

 

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 940,000

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 860,000 (91.49%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 696,000 (80.93%)

12:30 AM Gundam IBO S2 648,000 (93.10%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 623,000 (96.14%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 541,000 (86.84%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 632,000 (116.82%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 427,000 (67.56%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 427,000 (100.00%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 385,000 (90.16%)

TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 617,900

 

ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT, Estimated) 0.24

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT, Estimated) 0.29 (120.83%)

 

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 0.43

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 0.40 (93.02%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 0.35 (87.50%)

12:30 AM Gundam IBO S2 0.32 (91.43%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 0.31 (96.88%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 0.28 (90.32%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 0.33 (117.86%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 0.21 (63.64%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 0.21 (100.00%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 0.19 (90.48%)

TOONAMI ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE - 0.30

 

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How the FUCK is Shippuden still popular?

 

The same reason TG is getting a third season. There's a staggering amount of people out there with really awful taste.

 

They weren't even sick of Naruto after 700 episodes so they had to make Boruto to keep them happy.

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The same reason TG is getting a third season. There's a staggering amount of people out there with really awful taste.

 

They weren't even sick of Naruto after 700 episodes so they had to make Boruto to keep them happy.

 

It doesn't help that they're continuing the story with Naruto's son in a new ongoing manga and anime, guaranteeing the preservation of medicrity.

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The 18 year-olds in the demographic now barely remember (if at all) that shows were in 4:3 at one point.

 

I think that will continue to become an issue. Eventually, people that have a connection to the original block will either age out of the demo or begin to get more responsibilities that preclude them from staying up all night on Saturday. After all, people with early schedules have a hard time breaking them for one night! If more of the regulars drop off without new blood coming in to replace them, that will complicate things somewhat.

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Toonami may be floundering but the anime industry is doin just fine

 

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/10/24/anime-industry-income-hits-29-trillion-yen-milestone

 

Yeah, Netflix keeps giving them dump trucks full of money.

 

Now tell them to hurry up and commission Cannon God Exaxxion already,  I need something to rub in the faces of Voltron fans.

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Oh, ok. I see what you're saying. The numbers it gives for the adult demographics in thousands are:

 

A 18-24: 30,890

A 25-34: 42,570

A 35-49: 60,730

If you add those up, you get 134,190, which means that 134.19 million viewers would be a 100 in ratings points, and a 1.0 would be 1.3419 million. I had been using 1.282 million for my estimates, but that might be low-balling it. 

 

Also, a trickle of new data: http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-yankees-astros-alcs-game-seven-sets-new-fs1-viewer-record/

 

It turns out that DBS didn't lose that badly from Family Guy after all!!

 

TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 735,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 736,000 (100.14%)

 

10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT) 1,026,000

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 940,000 (91.62%)

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 860,000 (91.49%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 696,000 (80.93%)

12:30 AM Gundam IBO S2 648,000 (93.10%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 623,000 (96.14%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 541,000 (86.84%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 632,000 (116.82%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 427,000 (67.56%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 427,000 (100.00%)

3:30 AM Ghost In The Shell 2nd Gig 385,000 (90.16%)

TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 617,900

 

Using that conversion factor of 1.3419 million for 1.00 and the previously-reported 18-49s, here's what I get, but these seem kinda high.

 

ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT, Estimated) 323,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT, Estimated) 390,000 (120.74%)

 

10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT, Estimated) 631,000

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 578,000 (91.60%)

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 537,000 (92.91%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 470,000 (87.52%)

12:30 AM Gundam IBO S2 430,000 (91.49%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 416,000 (96.74%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 376,000 (90.38%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 443,000 (117.82%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 282,000 (63.66%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 282,000 (100.00%)

3:30 AM Ghost In The Shell 2nd Gig 255,000 (90.43%)

TOONAMI ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE - 406,900

 

If that's right, then kudos to Toonami! But that seems to be high. If you take the viewer numbers from October 14th and average them, you get 336,300. Then divide that number by the average of the decimals from October 14th (0.262) and you get 1,283,588. Doing the same with October 7th, you get 390,900/0.302 = 1,294,371. So, the actual number might be higher than 1282K, but not quite that high. This, assuming 1.00 = 1,290,000 viewers, is probably closer to the actual list:

 

ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT, Estimated) 310,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT, Estimated) 375,000 (120.97%)

 

10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT, Estimated) 607,000

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 555,000 (91.43%)

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 516,000 (92.97%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 452,000 (87.60%)

12:30 AM Gundam IBO S2 413,000 (91.37%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 400,000 (96.85%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 362,000 (90.50%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 426,000 (117.68%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 271,000 (63.62%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 271,000 (100.00%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 246,000 (90.77%)

TOONAMI ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE - 391,200

 

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