Blatch Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: I think sometimes the best boon for the block will be when DBZ Kai ends, and it's crazy to think about that since it WAS responsible for the highest-rated episode yet on the block 3 years ago. But it's clear DBS needs to lead-in to SOMETHING fresh in the 2nd half of 2018! Do you actually think they would use the 11:00 slot for anime premieres that aren't DBZ Kai? I dare say Made in Abyss (or something else that popular) would be an ideal replacement. Edited April 18, 2018 by Blatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Blatch said: Do you actually think they would use the 11:00 slot for anime premieres that aren't DBZ Kai? I dare say Made in Abyss (or something that popular) would be an ideal replacement. Attack on Titan Season 3, then Made In Abysss in the fall Edited April 18, 2018 by brianycpht 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 6 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: Well, it's Tuesday, and we've got a new set of ratings! Brace yourselves, because these are pretty awful, even by today's standards: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-4-14-2018.html 51 WATTERS WORLD FOX NEWS CHANNEL 8:00 PM 60 0.18 1,983 52 BLACK CLOVER ADULT SWIM 1:00 AM 30 0.18 361 I think it's pretty obvious some people just flipped over to Dragon Ball Super between two NBA Playoffs games on ESPN. How else can you explain the precipitous decline between DBS and DBZKFC that's WAY worse than usual? Unfortunately, it seems that pattern will continue next week. It COULD be that FLCL is some sort of sacrificial lamb during the early part of the playoffs season, because later on FLCL Progressive won't be up against Finals games, since they occur on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays. P2+ Last Week This Week Change DBS 1,042,000 1,020,000 -22,000 DBZKFC 818,000 793,000 -25,000 Countdown 688,000 JoJo 568,000 489,000 -79,000 Gundam 515,000 410,000 -105,000 Bclover 462,000 361,000 -101,000 AVERAGE -66,400 A 18-34 Last Week This Week Change DBS 0.57 0.59 +0.02 DBZKFC 0.50 0.40 -0.10 Countdown 0.44 JoJo 0.34 0.30 -0.04 Gundam 0.33 0.24 -0.09 Bclover 0.26 AVERAGE -0.04 A 18-49 Last Week This Week Change DBS 0.48 0.47 -0.01 DBZKFC 0.40 0.34 -0.06 Countdown 0.34 JoJo 0.26 0.23 -0.03 Gundam 0.26 0.20 -0.06 Bclover 0.22 0.18 -0.04 AVERAGE -0.04 Only Dragon Ball Super went up slightly in 18-34, and it and Kai only down slightly in total viewers. Everything else pretty much sucked big hairy ding dong. As for retention: Total Viewers Show People Retention DBS 1,020,000 N/A DBZKFC 793,000 77.75% JoJo 489,000 61.66%* Gundam 410,000 83.84% Bclover 361,000 88.05% Adults 18-34 Show Rating Estimate Retention DBS 0.59 401,000 N/A DBZKFC 0.40 272,000 67.80% JoJo 0.30 204,000 75.00%* Gundam 0.24 163,000 80.00% Adults 18-49 Show Rating Estimate Retention DBS 0.47 603,000 N/A DBZKFC 0.34 436,000 72.34% JoJo 0.23 295,000 67.65%* Gundam 0.20 256,000 86.96% Bclover 0.18 231,000 90.00% Adults 18-49 Show Rank Change DBS #7 -3 DBZKFC #9 -4 JoJo #20 -4 Gundam #39 -20 Bclover #52 -22 *Calculated by dividing the 12:30 slot number by the 11:30 slot number; i.e.: not a "pure" back-to-back retention percentage. Boy oh boy. What the hell happened with 18-34?? The drop from DBZKFC to JoJo was over a whole hour, but somehow DBS to DBZKFC did even worse than that! Not the case with total viewers and 18-49: The drop from DBZKFC to JoJo was worse, as expected, but DBZKai still retained pretty badly. Once the 2nd through 4th shows bled viewers, Gundam and Black Clover actually retained pretty well. And of course everything dropped in the rankings, though Black Clover may be the crap pace-setter, as it has fallen from #15 on March 31st to #52 just 2 weeks later! Guess that's what being on an hour and a half later does for ya. That's all for now, until SBD updates a little later on this afternoon! Cheesus Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Yeah the 2 basketball games really hurt the ratings bigtime. Also the rerun of FLCL was predicted to push the rest of the night down further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 [notices you quoted the whole fucking post] Cheezus Christ indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, PokeNirvash said: [notices you quoted the whole fucking post] Cheezus Christ indeed. Cheesus Christ is so delicious, it only deserves the best quoted posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, PokeNirvash said: [notices you quoted the whole fucking post] Cheezus Christ indeed. Since it got left behind on the previous page, I think it was appropriate. On THAT note... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: SBD Updated: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-4-14-2018.html "Adult Swim’s late-night line-up performed as follows: DRAGON BALL at 0.47/0.34 compared to last week’s 0.48/0.40, FOOLY COOLY at 0.27/607K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE down 0.03 to 0.23, MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM down 0.06 to 0.20, BLACK CLOVER down 0.04 to 0.18, HUNTER X HUNTER down 0.04 to 0.18/347K, NARUTO down 0.04 to 0.17/334K, SPACE DANDY down 0.01 to 0.17/352K, COWBOY BEBOP down 0.03 to 0.16/341K, and GHOST IN THE SHELL down 0.03 to 0.16/326K." The rest of the night couldn't get out of the 300Ks, but at least it didn't get any worse than that. However, the average was a mere 489K, 15th so far for 2018, i.e.: DEAD LAST. And here are the retention figures for total viewers... 4/14/18 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention DBS 1,020,000 N/A DBZKFC 793,000 77.7% FLCL 607,000 76.5% JoJo 489,000 80.6% Gundam 410,000 83.8% BClover 361,000 88.0% HxH 347,000 96.1% Shippuden 334,000 96.3% Dandy 352,000 105.4% Bebop 341,000 96.9% GITS 326,000 95.6% Dandy actually ended up retaining far better than any other show! And it turns out FLCL retained slightly worse than DBZKFC, though JoJo retained slightly better. We'll see how well everything retained in 18-49 a little later on, but here's what we know for now... 4/14/18 - Adults 18-49 Show Viewers Retention DBS 0.47 DBZKFC 0.34 72.34% FLCL 0.27 79.41% JoJo 0.23 85.19% Gundam 0.20 86.96% BClover 0.18 90.00% HxH 0.18 100.00% Shippuden 0.17 94.44% Dandy 0.17 100.00% Bebop 0.16 94.12% GITS 0.16 100.00% I think sometimes the best boon for the block will be when DBZ Kai ends, and it's crazy to think about that since it WAS responsible for the highest-rated episode yet on the block 3 years ago. But it's clear DBS needs to lead-in to SOMETHING fresh in the 2nd half of 2018! Cheezus Christ indeed! Going back a week, Super continues to do well in Live +3: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/dvr-ratings/jersey-shore-family-vacation-scores-well-in-cable-live-3-ratings-for-april-2-8/ Since it actually got a 0.48 in 18-49 Live+Same Day, and was boosted once again to a 0.7, that means that it gained anywhere between 0.17 and 0.26 for a total of 0.65-0.74, and once again, that's a total of up to 953K adults 18-49 who watched DBS between 9:30 PM Sunday and 3 AM Wednesday! It also appears that it's only made this Top 25 this year, and this is only the 3rd time it's happened, but the 2nd in a row... http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/?s=Live%2B3+Cable Edited April 18, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 hours ago, brianycpht said: Attack on Titan Season 3, then Made In Abysss in the fall That depends on if the former is only one cour. I thought I heard that it was going to be longer, but nothing official has been said, and I feel like that may just be wishful thinking from the show's fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Knowing Wit studio, it probably will be 2-cour. I would be SHOCKED if it were suddenly reduced to only one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 So that was the worst of 2018 so far? Don't worry Demarco says the block is doing great. Everythings fine... we're all fine here now. How are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 You know the sad thing is... Demarco is going to see this and say.. YES THIS! We need more of this! http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2018/04/16-1/sunrise-to-reveal-gundam-series-new-title-in-press-conference-on-april-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Daos said: So that was the worst of 2018 so far? Actually, not really. Only in total viewers. In Adults 18-49, it was only #13 out of 15 weeks so far this year, and both 1/27 and 2/17 were worse. So I guess that means for target demos, the lows are getting lower, and the highs are getting higher? That is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, Daos said: You know the sad thing is... Demarco is going to see this and say.. YES THIS! We need more of this! http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2018/04/16-1/sunrise-to-reveal-gundam-series-new-title-in-press-conference-on-april-20 Gundam's not doing gangbusters but it's worthy of being mid-block! However, I think in 1.5 weeks it's going bye-bye for a while! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Well the ratings for Gundam aren't horrendous.... but..... it gets the same ratings that any mediocre show could do in that spot. It's not the year 2000 anymore, there's better Sci-Fi and Mecha anime. I don't understand the fascination Demarco has with Gundam just because he liked it 20 years ago. So why run the block with the aim of being mediocre? Has any restaurant ever stayed in business by aiming to serve mediocre food? Toonami's saving grace is still the fact that CN is in horrible shape and the networks ratings are horrible and they have to run TTG 30x a day. But that might not always be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-espn-wins-prime-time-with-first-night-of-nba-playoffs/ PROGRAM Viewers (000) A1849 rating A1849 (000) 10:30 Dragon Ball Super 1020 0.47 602 11:00 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters 793 0.34 439 11:30 Fooly Cooly (r) 607 0.27 348 12:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 489 0.23 301 12:30a Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans 410 0.20 257 1:00a Black Clover 361 0.18 226 1:30a Hunter X Hunter (r) 347 0.18 226 2:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 334 0.17 220 2:30a Space Dandy (r) 352 0.17 220 3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 341 0.16 206 3:30a Ghost In Shell: 2nd Gig (r) 326 0.16 204 The 18-49 average was 295K, again, 13th out of 15 for 2018. Below average, but at least NOT the worst. 4/14/18 - Adults 18-49 Show Total Viewers Adults 18-49 DBS 602,000 DBZKFC 439,000 72.92% FLCL 348,000 79.27% JoJo 301,000 86.49% Gundam 257,000 85.38% BClover 226,000 87.94% HxH 226,000 100.00% Shippuden 220,000 97.35% Dandy 220,000 100.00% Bebop 206,000 93.64% GITS 204,000 99.03% Not much change from the hundredths version posted earlier. Only main difference is Gundam didn't retain as well as JoJo, and Black Clover didn't quite retain 90%. Turn the page... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 THIS JUST IN!!! Dragon Ball Super beat its Family Guy lead-in in total viewers and in ALL target demographics! http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-espn-wins-prime-time-with-first-night-of-nba-playoffs/ Family Guy (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) – 1.018 million viewers (#32) – 0.64 HH (#33) – 0.43 A18-49 (#11) – 0.53 A18-34 (#5) – 0.37 A25-54 (#18) Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) – 1.020 million viewers (#31) – 0.61 HH (#35) – 0.47 A18-49 (#6) – 0.59 A18-34 (#4) – 0.40 A25-54 (#13) (Yes, Family Guy still won households, but that's not technically a "demographic.") Of course the 3 NBA games took #1-#3 for the primetime portion of the night in 18-34, but DBS took #4. Boo-yah! And if you're wondering about 18-49, the NBA games were once again #1 through #3, Live PD was #4, and the #5 show is an unlisted rerun. Ah, what could have been... Anyway, I think an ideal ratings pattern for Toonami would be if the 11:30 show (this year, FLCL Prog/Alt) wins the night, and the previous 2 shows build up to it. FLCL Prog/Alt definitely have that "World Premiere" thing that worked out so well for Samurai Jack, but what could be a potential replacement in that pesky 11 PM slot, which is currently occupied by the underperforming DBZ KFC? I say it's either gotta be AoTS3 or Boruto. Bo might just build from Super; we saw it a few times with Bleach and OG Naruto at midnight and 12:30 back in 2013. Alternatively, AoTS2 had to lead-in to the ho-hum Tokyo Ghoul, but let it S3 lead-in to World Premiere FLCL, and it's probably gonna do better! So, I think we'll see one of the following beyond DBZ KFC (and please note that marathons are an unpredictable X-Factor in both...): Scenario #1 10:30-12:30: 6/30: DBS; Boruto; FLCLP#5; JoJo; etc. OR Marathon 7/7: DBS; Boruto; FLCLP#5/6; JoJo; etc. OR Marathon (if not on 6/30) 7/14: DBS; Boruto; FLCLP#6 or AoTS3; JoJo; etc. 7/21: DBS; Boruto; AoTS3; JoJo; etc. 8/25: DBS; Boruto; AoTS3; Special TBD; etc. 9/1: Marathon 9/8: DBS; Boruto; AoTS3; FLCLA#1; etc. Scenario #2 10:30-12 AM: 6/30: DBS; Special TBD; FLCLP#5; etc. OR Marathon 7/7: DBS; AoTS3; FLCLP#5/6; JoJo; etc. OR Marathon (if not on 6/30) 7/14: DBS; AoTS3; FLCLP#6 or other show TBD (Boruto?) Either way, for AoTS3 to premiere in July, looks like we're gonna need another special. It's also possible that FLCLP is simply reran in the 11:30 timeslot before FLCLA takes over, but I'll bet their ratings for classic FLCL are making them think twice about that! Also, please note that NONE of this covers the REAL elephant in the room: what goes into that 12:30 timeslot on 5/5, assuming no more schedule shakeups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 It BARELY beat Family Guy, and Family Guy wasn't even that high to begin with, though we HAVE been getting more weeks where that didn't even break a million. Will this mean we get more basketball-DBZ memes on TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said: THIS JUST IN!!! Dragon Ball Super beat its Family Guy lead-in in total viewers and in ALL target demographics! http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-espn-wins-prime-time-with-first-night-of-nba-playoffs/ Family Guy (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) – 1.018 million viewers (#32) – 0.64 HH (#33) – 0.43 A18-49 (#11) – 0.53 A18-34 (#5) – 0.37 A25-54 (#18) Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) – 1.020 million viewers (#31) – 0.61 HH (#35) – 0.47 A18-49 (#6) – 0.59 A18-34 (#4) – 0.40 A25-54 (#13) (Yes, Family Guy still won households, but that's not technically a "demographic.") Of course the 3 NBA games took #1-#3 for the primetime portion of the night in 18-34, but DBS took #4. Boo-yah! And if you're wondering about 18-49, the NBA games were once again #1 through #3, Live PD was #4, and the #5 show is an unlisted rerun. Ah, what could have been... Anyway, I think an ideal ratings pattern for Toonami would be if the 11:30 show (this year, FLCL Prog/Alt) wins the night, and the previous 2 shows build up to it. FLCL Prog/Alt definitely have that "World Premiere" thing that worked out so well for Samurai Jack, but what could be a potential replacement in that pesky 11 PM slot, which is currently occupied by the underperforming DBZ KFC? I say it's either gotta be AoTS3 or Boruto. Bo might just build from Super; we saw it a few times with Bleach and OG Naruto at midnight and 12:30 back in 2013. Alternatively, AoTS2 had to lead-in to the ho-hum Tokyo Ghoul, but let it S3 lead-in to World Premiere FLCL, and it's probably gonna do better! So, I think we'll see one of the following beyond DBZ KFC (and please note that marathons are an unpredictable X-Factor in both...): Scenario #1 10:30-12:30: 6/30: DBS; Boruto; FLCLP#5; JoJo; etc. OR Marathon 7/7: DBS; Boruto; FLCLP#5/6; JoJo; etc. OR Marathon (if not on 6/30) 7/14: DBS; Boruto; FLCLP#6 or AoTS3; JoJo; etc. 7/21: DBS; Boruto; AoTS3; JoJo; etc. 8/25: DBS; Boruto; AoTS3; Special TBD; etc. 9/1: Marathon 9/8: DBS; Boruto; AoTS3; FLCLA#1; etc. Scenario #2 10:30-12 AM: 6/30: DBS; Special TBD; FLCLP#5; etc. OR Marathon 7/7: DBS; AoTS3; FLCLP#5/6; JoJo; etc. OR Marathon (if not on 6/30) 7/14: DBS; AoTS3; FLCLP#6 or other show TBD (Boruto?) Either way, for AoTS3 to premiere in July, looks like we're gonna need another special. It's also possible that FLCLP is simply reran in the 11:30 timeslot before FLCLA takes over, but I'll bet their ratings for classic FLCL are making them think twice about that! Also, please note that NONE of this covers the REAL elephant in the room: what goes into that 12:30 timeslot on 5/5, assuming no more schedule shakeups? 11 minutes ago, elfie said: It BARELY beat Family Guy, and Family Guy wasn't even that high to begin with, though we HAVE been getting more weeks where that didn't even break a million. Will this mean we get more basketball-DBZ memes on TV? I think when taking DVR into account Super dominates Family Guy, because who is recording Family Guy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said: Either way, for AoTS3 to premiere in July, looks like we're gonna need another special. I've already mentioned that they could drop the slot for a couple of weeks. Even if they schedule a marathon for June 30, you could start it at 11:00 after a preemption the week before to maintain continuity. It would at least look better on my personal ratings grid. That date is farther from the holiday, but the benefits are that AoT S3 starts alongside the full lineup instead of airing before a marathon, and FLCL Progressive is preempted with two episodes left instead of one... not that there isn't precedent for both situations. Edited April 18, 2018 by Blatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korosu Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 they could air Scavengers 1 before 2 in the same 30 minute slot to fill one of those weeks, but only if the new one is ready by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, elfie said: It BARELY beat Family Guy, and Family Guy wasn't even that high to begin with, though we HAVE been getting more weeks where that didn't even break a million. Will this mean we get more basketball-DBZ memes on TV? But 0.06 in 18-34 and 0.04 in 18-49 ain't exactly "barely". That's a pretty considerable difference, like 40K on both counts. Yes, it did just edge it out in total viewers, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Blatch said: I've already mentioned that they could drop the slot for a couple of weeks. Even if they schedule a marathon for June 30, you could start it at 11:00 after a preemption the week before to maintain continuity. It would at least look better on my personal ratings grid. That date is farther from the holiday, but the benefits are that AoT S3 starts alongside the full lineup instead of airing before a marathon, and FLCL Progressive is preempted with two episodes left instead of one... not that there isn't precedent for both situations. I don't think they could drop the 10:30 DBS without also bringing back the 8 PM sneak peek, and just what the hell would the point of that be for a week or two? I think it's a lot more likely they'll double up Super, but even THAT could be problematic. Maybe this time they could play Intruder II? And AoTS3 CAN'T air one episode before a marathon; it wouldn't be ready yet on June 30, unless you're going off the fact that it's already July in Japan by then. Don't even know how in the hell that would work anyway. I guess kinda like Space Dandy. Besides, we don't even know what day of the week AoTS3 will premiere in Japan. In what timeslot did AoTS2 air in Japan? Edited April 18, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: Also, please note that NONE of this covers the REAL elephant in the room: what goes into that 12:30 timeslot on 5/5, assuming no more schedule shakeups? Wanna take any guesses about when that news comes out? It HAS to be this week you'd think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I'm still expecting the usual Facebook announcement, or maybe they announce it on Pre-Flight for a change. They've managed to drag this out to a downright comical extent, so I can't see them not announcing it beyond this weekend. The fandom wanting to utterly lose it doesn't help things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Blatch said: I'm still expecting the usual Facebook announcement, or maybe they announce it on Pre-Flight for a change. They've managed to drag this out to a downright comical extent, so I can't see them not announcing it beyond this weekend. The fandom wanting to utterly lose it doesn't help things. They should just keep it going to troll us. But if I said didn’t look at Facebook every hour for the last month I’d be lying 😀. We’ll all get excited and they announce the return of SJ season 5 and the lineup shifting again Edited April 18, 2018 by brianycpht 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) Well, it isn't Re:Zero, but it IS something that has been a glaring omission from Toonami for a while now... NONE OTHER THAN THE ALL-MIGHTY... Also note that Black Clover got demoted AGAIN! Edited April 19, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Twenty bucks says the next schedule change pushes Black Clover after Naruto. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 If you ask me, JoJo should be at 12, HxH at 12:30, BC at 1, and FLCL at 1:30. And of course, FLCL Progressive should be pushed to June 23 or 30 and replace DBZ KFC at 11 PM while another classic takes over at 1:30 on June 2nd. FLCL being back on the block leading-in to Progressive makes sense, but having it air at 11:30 or even Midnight might be a tall order. I have a theory that the original plan was to have MHA replace DBZ KFC, but because FLCL was underperforming, it got moved up. If I'm right, then it could even get 11 PM after DBZ KFC ends. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMoltar Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 If I were to take a guess at what the 'original plan' was, this probably wasn't going to come until late June with DBZ Kai ended. The line-up would have been Super -> Kai -> FLCL 1/2 -> Black Clover -> JoJo -> Gundam/Gundam replacement -> rest of Toonami until then. BC underperforming caused them to change plans and push MHA up to be Gundam's replacement instead to bolster the front of the block. This is probably more schedule shifting than they wanted, but I do like the idea of having this line-up until the likely Memorial Day marathon. Then FLCL Progressive premieres at 11:30, which moves MHA to 11 PM (going back to the original plan on where to slot it) and bumping DBZ Kai back to 12 AM until it ends and the next premiere (which would have likely been the original replacement for Gundam) takes its place there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 4 hours ago, PokeNirvash said: Twenty bucks says the next schedule change pushes Black Clover after Naruto. After Naruto beats it a few times? Yeah probably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawliet720 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 3:01 AM, Daos said: Toonami's saving grace is still the fact that CN is in horrible shape and the networks ratings are horrible and they have to run TTG 30x a day. But that might not always be the case. Out of curiosity could you go into more detail on this? Haven't paid attention to CN at all post-2008, is their situation (or even cable in general) really that disasterous at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Over half of its schedule is Teen Titans GO reruns, that should tell you plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 It would kind of suck to move DBZ Kai down to midnight for its last three episodes. Even if The Final Chapters hasn't been as well received as the original, I still want it to have a good denouement. Still, unlike with Bleach, everyone should be able to watch the finale regardless of their cable provider. I agree with Moltar's theorizing, but it doesn't take Attack on Titan S3 into account. They're going to be forced to do some funky things with the schedule if they want to air it. For one thing, the first episode of a same-day simuldub would likely air on July 7, which is also a likely marathon date. They would have to either run the normal schedule up to a certain point, or just play the first new AoT episode by itself at the very beginning of the block and have a marathon take up everything else. And if the former schedule includes FLCL Progressive, that means they could air all six episodes in a row, but then it would upset the balance of airing a rerun of it because there would be an empty slot after it reruns for six weeks. In other words, a total mess! The only "easy" solution would be to expand the block to 10:00 for AoT, and they may very well go for it. But I'm also not sure if Jason is comfortable with the block running six hours or more again. Heck, it probably wouldn't hurt Toonami to be shorter right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, Lawliet720 said: Out of curiosity could you go into more detail on this? Haven't paid attention to CN at all post-2008, is their situation (or even cable in general) really that disasterous at the moment? I'll let some videos do the talkin =P Less than a year ago, their daytime programming was losing to Nick at Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawliet720 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Daos said: I'll let some videos do the talkin =P Less than a year ago, their daytime programming was losing to Nick at Night. Thanks for this. Wow. Just...how on earth is it possible to fuck up worse than the Snyder Era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Blatch said: It would kind of suck to move DBZ Kai down to midnight for its last three episodes. Even if The Final Chapters hasn't been as well received as the original, I still want it to have a good denouement. Still, unlike with Bleach, everyone should be able to watch the finale regardless of their cable provider. I agree with Moltar's theorizing, but it doesn't take Attack on Titan S3 into account. They're going to be forced to do some funky things with the schedule if they want to air it. For one thing, the first episode of a same-day simuldub would likely air on July 7, which is also a likely marathon date. They would have to either run the normal schedule up to a certain point, or just play the first new AoT episode by itself at the very beginning of the block and have a marathon take up everything else. And if the former schedule includes FLCL Progressive, that means they could air all six episodes in a row, but then it would upset the balance of airing a rerun of it because there would be an empty slot after it reruns for six weeks. In other words, a total mess! The only "easy" solution would be to expand the block to 10:00 for AoT, and they may very well go for it. But I'm also not sure if Jason is comfortable with the block running six hours or more again. Heck, it probably wouldn't hurt Toonami to be shorter right now. Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind an all-premiere 10 PM-2 AM block that encores from 2-6 AM! Considering we lost the online block stream, it seems to me it would be apropos. Only problem is, what the hell do you do for spring forward and fall back? I'd say for spring-forward, play 3 hours from 10 PM-1 AM, pre-empt the last normal hour for a no-repeat hour special at 2 AM, then finish the night with a repeat of 10 PM-1 AM from 3-6 AM. Then for fall back, simply air a no-repeat special in the bonus 2 AM hour. Edited April 20, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) CN's failure is a big reason why Toonami gets more hours and gets to keep existing despite the massive decline in ratings. So it's kind of good news. Just think if CN does even worse maybe half the network will turn into anime! Much longer video on CN's problems Edited April 20, 2018 by Daos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 12:42 PM, OwlChemist81 said: Well, it isn't Re:Zero, but it IS something that has been a glaring omission from Toonami for a while now... NONE OTHER THAN THE ALL-MIGHTY... Also note that Black Clover got demoted AGAIN! Black clover needs the 230 slot not Shippuden it's still ruining the rest of the block however JoJo really screwed up last week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Jojo retained better than Kai last week.. barely. But I honestly don't like Jojo at the moment. It's gone on too long and its the same thing every week. I was really expecting more from a series that had such notoriety. But the fact that Jojo can't hold a 20 year old rerun of FLCL is embarrassing. What's more embarrassing is that BC is struggling to retain Gundam. 361k total viewers. A dandy rerun at 2am did 352.... 9k less. Bebop at 3am did 341.. only 20 k less. Looking at those numbers, its quite possible that BC is still so bad that every single show after it could outperform BC if it had BC's timeslot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 THIS JUST IN!! DBS keeps its impressive Live+3 Top 25 18-49 streak going for a 3rd week! http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/dvr-ratings/cable-live-3-ratings-for-april-9-15-2018/ Apparently, this arc of DBS has captivated [as] target audience to make it consistently among the most-watched cable shows OF THE WHOLE WEEK!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) This feels, in a lot of ways, like the next-to-last ratings report of an era: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-4-21-2018.html Dragon Ball Super was a more talky less action-y episode than usual, so it was also lower than usual this week, but many other shows were way up, and Black Clover is back in the Top 50, and in fact just barely missed the Top 25 for the night in 18-49. P2+ Last Week This Week Change DBS 1,020,000 953,000 -67,000 DBZKFC 793,000 790,000 -3,000 JoJo 489,000 512,000 23,000 Gundam 410,000 472,000 62,000 Bclover 361,000 452,000 91,000 AVERAGE 21,200 A 18-34 Last Week This Week Change DBS 0.59 0.59 +0.00 DBZKFC 0.40 0.47 +0.07 JoJo 0.30 0.30 +0.00 Gundam 0.24 0.28 +0.04 AVERAGE 0.03 A 18-49 Last Week This Week Change DBS 0.47 0.45 -0.02 DBZKFC 0.34 0.38 +0.04 JoJo 0.23 0.24 +0.01 Gundam 0.20 0.23 +0.03 Bclover 0.18 0.22 +0.04 AVERAGE 0.02 Note I don't list Black Clover in the 18-34 comparison as last week's 18-34 number was not available since it failed to make the Top 50. As for retention, well, maybe we're being a bit hasty to kick Black Clover down to 1:30, and here's why... Total Viewers Show People Retention DBS 953,000 N/A DBZKFC 790,000 82.90% JoJo 512,000 64.81%* Gundam 472,000 92.19% Bclover 452,000 95.76% Adults 18-34 Show Rating Estimate Retention DBS 0.59 401,000 N/A DBZKFC 0.47 319,000 79.66% JoJo 0.30 204,000 63.83%* Gundam 0.28 190,000 93.33% Bclover 0.29 197,000 103.57% Adults 18-49 Show Rating Estimate Retention DBS 0.45 577,000 N/A DBZKFC 0.38 487,000 84.44% JoJo 0.24 308,000 63.16%* Gundam 0.23 295,000 95.83% Bclover 0.22 282,000 95.65% Adults 18-49 Show Rank Change DBS #8 -1 DBZKFC #11 -2 JoJo #20 +0 Gundam #24 +15 Bclover #26 +26 It actually GAINED on Gundam in 18-34! Such could be expected occasionally from a show that came out this year over one that came out last year (in Japan), I suppose. But what about a show that came out (in Japan) in 2013, Hunter x Hunter, which will be slotted ahead of it come May? Perhaps [as] is trying to make the 1:30 bump that they see other nights of the week with Bob's Burgers a thing on Saturday nights, and I suppose using the show with newest animation back-to-back with one of the ol' Big 3 is not a bad way to go about it! *Represents a non-back-to-back retention (DBZKFC -> FLCL -> JoJo) Edited April 24, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) The ratings are probably just stabilising after a chaotic couple of weeks with preemptions. In other words, this is pretty okay. Moving Black Clover down another slot after less than a month is not a good look, so I wonder if maybe the Toonami crew didn't want it on that late but were overridden by the high court of schedulers. Either that, or Viz was peeved at HxH being moved later. Edited April 24, 2018 by Blatch My phone isn't too good... >_< 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) SHOWBUZZDAILY updated; here is the result: "The Adult Swim late-night line-up performed as follows: DRAGON BALL at 0.45/0.38 compared to last week’s 0.47/0.34, FOOLY COOLY steady at 0.27/579K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE up a tick to 0.24, MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM up 0.03 to 0.23, BLACK CLOVER up 0.04 to 0.22, HUNTER X HUNTER up 0.02 to 0.20/415K, NARUTO up 0.02 to 0.19/398K, SPACE DANDY down 0.01 to 0.16/341K, COWBOY BEBOP down 0.01 to 0.15/333K, and GHOST IN THE MACHINE steady at 0.16/323K." Wait, what? Ghost In The Machine on Toonami?? They play one movie, and then THIS happens... That bit of silliness aside, the average was back over 500K, 506,182, as a matter of fact, which is 12th out of 16 weeks so far in 2018. And total viewers retention went down like this: 4/21/18 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention DBS 953,000 94.4% DBZKFC 790,000 82.9% FLCL 579,000 73.3% JoJo 512,000 88.4% Gundam 472,000 92.2% BClover 452,000 95.8% HxH 415,000 91.8% Shippuden 398,000 95.9% Dandy 341,000 85.7% Bebop 333,000 97.7% GITS 323,000 97.0% FLCL reruns clearly don't belong at 11:30; fortunately we've got the hero we need but don't deserve coming to save us in 2 weeks! Edited April 25, 2018 by OwlChemist81 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 FEAR NOT, RATINGS ANALYSTS!! BECAUSE I AM HERE! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Yeah FLCL reruns definitely don't belong at the start of the block, but need to be there to give all the people who never saw it a chance to see it before the sequels. Super... little lower than usual. Kai... still sad that more people aren't tuning in for the big final fight. Black Clover probably belongs before Gundam. But you know how I feel about Gundam. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 And Gundam's ending this week, so it's not like whether it belongs before or after really matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 hours ago, PokeNirvash said: And Gundam's ending this week, so it's not like whether it belongs before or after really matters. It's Demarco... Gundam will never end. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Daos said: It's Demarco... Gundam will never end. I'm telling y'all--we're totally getting Thunderbolt in October to close out 2018! Well, either that, or the sequel to Gundam Unicorn, Gundam Narrative! Oh, look... http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-espn-doubles-the-adults-18-49-of-its-closest-network-competition-and-wins-prime-time-demos/ Family Guy (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) – 1.009 million viewers (#21) – 0.65 HH (#23) – 0.43 A18-49 (#11) – 0.51 A18-34 (#4) – 0.37 A25-54 (#17) Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) – 0.953 million viewers (#32) – 0.62 HH (#26) – 0.45 A18-49 (#9) – 0.59 A18-34 (#3) – 0.39 A25-54 (#16) PROGRAM Viewers (000) A1849 rating A1849 (000) 10:30 Dragon Ball Super 953 0.45 585 11:00 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters 790 0.38 486 11:30 Fooly Cooly (r) 579 0.27 354 12:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 512 0.24 308 12:30a Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans 472 0.23 293 1:00a Black Clover 452 0.22 288 1:30a Hunter X Hunter (r) 415 0.20 255 2:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 398 0.19 243 2:30a Space Dandy (r) 341 0.16 202 3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 333 0.15 198 3:30a Ghost In Shell: 2nd Gig (r) 323 0.16 203 4/21/18 - Adults 18-49 Show Total Viewers Adults 18-49 DBS 585,000 105.98% DBZKFC 486,000 83.08% FLCL 354,000 72.84% JoJo 308,000 87.01% Gundam 293,000 95.13% BClover 288,000 98.29% HxH 255,000 88.54% Shippuden 243,000 95.29% Dandy 202,000 83.13% Bebop 198,000 98.02% GITS 203,000 102.53% Average in Adults 18-49: 310,455. That's 11th out of 16 so far for the year. And once again, Dragon Ball Super won the night on [as] in 18-49, 18-34, and 25-54! Third in 18-34 behind only two NBA games. Next week, with no NBA playoffs on TV, it just might capture #1 18-34! Edited April 25, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Yet another week where not even a million-ratings Family Guy can save DB Super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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