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AS S&P has evolved quite a bit since 2012. Back then, “shit” was a firm no every time. Now it’s fair game and used frequently in newer AS shows. PSG has quite a few “fucks” but I believe someone did a count once, and it’s a few less than Black Lagoon. As for the shows visuals, I don’t think anything crosses lines that AS originals haven’t already. It would definitely require some labor, but I do think it could cross the S&P hurdle. Barely. Where I think it would struggle most is it being a product of its time. Having a new season helps with this issue a lot, but S1 really reeks of 2010 in most of its episodes. How the current audience would take to that is anyone’s guess, but I just think it’s worth considering the reality that it’s not new anymore.

It’s he said/she said at this point. As far as I know, the tumblr page doesn’t go back that far, so unless someone out there has some ancient screenshots on their PC, there’s no real way to prove it. On Demarco’s end, he COULD have hated it back in 2012, and at some point changed his tune and is now trying to spin that he always liked it. There’s just no way to know the truth. What we DO know is Funimation was pushing hard for Toonami to pick the show up and they never did. Passing up a relatively new dub back when their prospects for content were slim is suspect if nothing else.

Here’s the best part, once season 2 was announced, Demarco completely flipped and started to act like he is a huge fan of the series. I believe at one point he even tried taking credit for attempts to get a second season made. In regards to airing it, he waved it off as impossible now, though this was before MHA showed up. In 2012, Funimation was directly asking Toonami fans on their Facebook page to submit requests for PSG to air on the block. I believe the dub was only a few months old at that point, so that would have been a major grab for Toonami back then when we were limited to very old table scraps. The fans were on board, Funimation was on board, the only thing that stopped it was Demarco.

Personally, I wouldn’t care at all if not for the hypocrisy. I’m not into the fat stuff at all, but I still got a hearty laugh at seeing it on TV. Same applies for Luffy’s ass. But when it comes to our actual show choices, they won’t touch anything with even slight fanservice tones with a 10 foot pole. They weren’t always like this, we did land KLK, but IMO if that came out today it wouldn’t even be considered. Even back then, a juicy deal from a much more cooperative Aniplex was likely a big factor in its making the block. This is also the same guy (despite his recent comments suggesting otherwise) that got aggressive towards anyone who suggested Panty and Stocking and Fairy Tail back in 2012. Things people a ton of people were asking for shot down because boobs and sex bad. I have grown tired of the implication that this is somehow the fans fault. It’s like back in 2014 when movie month got cancelled because they aired a bunch of reruns. Demarco shifted all the blame to the fans for not watching, rather than the actual issue of him trying to recycle the exact same movies from 2013. They are the ones who wanted to feature fanart. That means the ball was in their court to verify all pieces that came through. Don’t have the staff? That’s not our problem. You shouldn’t have even started the project if you knew you didn’t have the manpower for it. Expecting the honor system to work, especially at Adult Swim which has frequently encouraged shitpost tier submissions for projects, was nothing short of naive and moronic. This is Demarco’s L, not ours.

“I’m not kink shamer” Also Demarco - “that scene in episode 16 of KLK is gross, you shouldn’t care that we butchered it with censorship” Look man, it’s cool that you are into the fat stuff, but your damage control is just progressively more and more unbelievable.

You gotta admit though, TOM is looking PEAK comfy right there.

To the majority of people, anal vore refers to a meme template of your character of choice dabbing while the character you don’t like is implied to be sucked into their anus. I didn’t mean for you to actually jump down the rabbit hole. Or I guess in this case, butthole. The Nami image is fat fetish. She is depicted as having all the rolls needed to be that large. Inflation would be like what happens to the girl in Willy Wonka where she just becomes a comical round shape as if inflated like a balloon.

Demarco says they lost the faith of the legal team. Demarco is also making it VERY difficult to not assume he is the one with the fat fetish. I have also been told there is someone who goes by the name “Clarknova” on a dedicated inflation art website.

After last night, I saw a lot of discussion of people planning to dig up niche, fetish fanart and submit it in hopes of getting more extreme content on the air. If you dig deep enough, you can find plenty of content that’s not going to pop up in your standard quick search. Even if they did keep it going, they would probably cancel regardless after being flooded a bunch of fart and anal vore submissions.

He has always been like this. When something goes wrong, it’s anyone’s fault but his own. Admittedly, this one probably isn’t on him personally, as I assume some cheeky intern was in charge of this project, but still, he is shifting the blame to the fans rather than just taking responsibility for a mistake on their end.

Hilarious to me that Demarco freaks out at the slightest hints of fanservice, but fat fetish art is “I don’t care” to him. Ignoring the stolen art part, I feel like this art choice was on purpose as it gets people talking. Just like Luffy’s big fat ass did last time they did this. They were using the ol any discussion is good discussion angle to try to increase audience engagement. Backfired though

Lol remember that time AS ran a bumper about KLK and used uncredited fanart? An honest mistake I’m sure, but entirely their fault. They have a history of half assing the vetting process, but rather than take responsibility they would rather shift all the blame to the fans. Oh well, this is probably for the best. If we were on #2 and already airing fat fetish art, I don’t even want to think what was gonna slip by next time. No doubt seeing that on cable was going to be a greenlight for all types of degenerates to submit fetish art.

About 3/4 through the ED, it goes completely silent for about a second. Does this happen for anyone else? I waved it off as my cable glitching at first, but it happens weekly in the same spot. Is it just me?

It’s already visible on most guides. It’s extremely unlikely they will bother with an official announcement to what is essentially no change.

Unless they are making the change very soon, it’s still gonna be Primal. It’s looping on the 22nd, MiA needs two slots on the 11th. That’s only 3 weeks into the re-rerun Now list the many times they could have done 2x premiers but threw a wrench into it. There were examples in 20 and 21. Two of those are turn of the New Years examples, and Gemushitto wasnt an acquisition. So that’s two times where it happened naturally. Even one of those is hard to count, as AoT was a mandatory airing. Id like to have faith that they have two shows lined up for February but it’s hard to with their track record the past few years. We are in a situation where there are no possible upcoming sequels they could slot into those slots either, so that means either shopping around for two brand new to Toonami titles, or going backwards to 1-2 sequels they have since passed over. It’s a new year, so they should have an untouched budget to secure some shows with, but who knows how the 2023 budget meeting went for the block.

They have a phobia of starting two new shows the same night for some reason. I can see them either staggering them, or if they do boot Primal for the night so both end the same night, we will only get one new show and the other slot will go to another rerun. AS has really cut corners on April Fools the past few years. Yule Log felt more like an April Fools style premier IMO. I’m expecting another 2 hour half assed event this year as well. They are likely satisfied with Toonami being at midnight at that means there is zero pressure to think up something for TOM to do.

These days, once it’s “schedule official” that’s usually set in stone. It could be pulled early of course, but for what? I really hope their intent here isn’t to keep a slot perpetually “open” for AoT. Or, on the topic of an “open” slot, Made in Abyss does have another hour long finale episode in February. My theory about Progressive and Alternative being unable to air on cable only continues to grow in likelihood. See, if I could have faith we won’t be repeating this exact same process next month, I wouldn’t sweat what is happening with 2:30. But this is likely the easiest schedule change of 2023, and they are already blowing it. Two brand new premiers on the same night? One of which will not be AoT? I’d sooner believe I’m tonights lotto winner.

I didn’t doubt you would end up being right, but I’m still disappointed. But ok fine, if Demarco wants us to raise our expectations, let’s do a little bit of that. A rerun has no reason to not be announced on time, so let’s theorize what new show they have planned. Something I was kicking around earlier today, by next Saturday, that will be close to the 1 year anniversary of them picking up One Piece again. Perhaps they needed to wait for a full year to pass before renewing a new batch of OP episodes, and we will soon see the return of it airing 2 episodes a night. Nobody will miss Naruto down at 2:30 as it’s starting a 23 week stretch of filler here soon.

I can agree there. Not sure how they marketed it in Japan, but the way it was in the US was basically “the guy who worked on Bebop worked on this”. That should have just been a bonus, not their core selling point. That warped expectations out of the gate, and it took a couple of months for it to break the “is this a Bebop sequel?” notion among casual viewers. Demarco has always had a bad habit of putting too much weight on creators, rather than the work itself. I can guarantee you that the vast majority of people who love a certain franchise love the franchise itself, not it’s creator. Just cause a creator made one beloved franchise doesn’t mean everything they crank out is going to be met with the same praise and administration. Market the creation, not the creator.

If the discussion was about it being just a financial flop, he would be right on the money. Even back in 2014, the fact that it’s world premier rights had been sold to Adult Swim was a pretty big red flag that this didn’t have high expectations among Japanese audiences. Why I think he is too hard on it is because while it didn’t make tons of money, it does have a big following of fans. As I noted, every season there are multiple shows that are financial failures because they are shit and most everyone agrees so they don’t sell. Dandy may not have sold well, but it has a modest fanbase. That’s no failure in my book. This was a much more noticeable issue in the second cour. Personally, I don’t think those types of episodes are a bad thing, but when you are labeled as a comedy and then are frequently not a comedy, it’s jarring to the viewer. And it’s not a case of “we told jokes that weren’t funny” but was a “we didn’t tell jokes at all”. Identity is important, and that was a big issue in the second half. Have to disagree with this take. Stuff like OPM didnt just suddenly take off when it’s anime started. It had a decent following to the webcomic long before the anime started. Anime original projects like Dandy are always on an extreme uphill battle. If it’s first bundle of episode didnt resonate with the audience extremely well, it would have flopped just the same. If you want Dandy to survive in today’s market, Dandy needs to be an average 20 something living a boring life when suddenly he is hit by a truck and transported to another world where the goddess of reincarnation gives him cheat powers to access all the worlds booty. AotY, with 4 more seasons in the works.

Nothing new. It’s been airing periodically during AEW for a few months now. Probably would do the block better by advertising the actual OP arc we are on and having MiA and MHA present in it.

He is being too hard on himself. Among western viewers who watched it on Toonami, it’s beloved. Over the years, I have seen very few negative discussions about Space Dandy. At the very worst, there are specific episodes people didn’t mesh with. Id wager most Toonami fans would rank Dandy somewhere in their top 10 memories of all time from the revived block. Where it struggled was with Japanese audiences. Just never got it’s wheels rolling over there. I know, that’s the “main” audience even though it premiered on Toonami first. I don’t think it’s fair to consider the show a total dud just because of that though. Yea, there is no convincing a Japanese studio to make more when it’s well documented it doesn’t appeal to the Japanese, but it still found solid footing on the other side of the ocean. That’s no flop. Every single anime season there are multiple shows that the entire world thinks are garbage. If your show was beloved by one country, that’s better than a lot of shows could wish for.

I joke, but I don’t disagree. A better metric is long overdue. That said, this feels like it’s coming way too late for cable. Seen it happen plenty of times where something looks like it’s going to be huge based on social media interaction, then it hits the air and flops because all that engagement was an extreme minority shouting as loud as they possibly could. We need something that is based on actual individual viewer numbers, both from cable and streaming options. Nobody cares if 20 twitter accounts are going nuts for a show when all 20 are one persons botfarm. And what I think is most important, these numbers need to be PUBLIC. It’s not going to stop them from arbitrarily cancelling a bunch of content, but if we can see the numbers, fans can somewhat hold them accountable if they cancel a show doing well. When everything is behind the scenes it’s too easy for them to claim a show was doing bad and just leave it at that. It would also help with discourse when a genuinely low performing show gets canned and it’s diehard fans think it was canned for some other reason because the prospect of it doing bad is too much for them to accept.

Hey hey hey, don’t knock that tactic, it’s been keeping Toonami alive for half a decade now.

For those who wanted it to be Facebook official, here it is. No changes. We should be getting an update this week about what replaces Primal in 2 weeks. I’m gonna be pretty pissed if it’s looping around again.