PhilosipherStoned Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I just heard someone I subscribe to say something about adblock hurting his profits, but I could have misheard. I still get adds with adblock on. They are pretty rare but they happen..Anyway a lot of sites now that still need their annoying or flashy little pop up adds for revenue throw a disclaimer up and block a vid until you turn it off, and that's usually the only time my adblock ever goes off.. I'm pretty sure this guy was confused, but I could be wrong. I've never heard a youtuber complain about adblock before so I'm just curious.
Sawdamizer Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 No idea. But, fuck them. The clickshit that pops up is crap and I hate it, they can make money on the other peasants.
PhilosipherStoned Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter youtube throws advertisements into your videos where ever they want and it's part of the video stream.. Theres NO WAY adblock can block that, and that's how a youtuber gets paid for ads. Pretty sure this guy's trippin.
Ric Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Theres NO WAY adblock can block that, Whatever adblock is on here does. Don't get any ads on Youtube whatsoever.
PhilosipherStoned Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 yeah, but the ad will still play inside a videostream... that's like trying to use adblock to block a radio commercial or the commercials on your hulu or something. If they are getting paid for little clicker adds and really need that shit as a youtuber I don't honestly think I give af.
PhilosipherStoned Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 By ads I mean actual commercial advertisements. I was under the impression thats how youtubers got most of their ad revenue. anyway this should spell it out. http://videopower.org/how-many-views-to-make-money-on-youtube/
bnmjy Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Oh well. The youtube gravy train is finally ending. Those fuckers can cry all they want, but it's not like they were contractly obliged to the ads.
PhilosipherStoned Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 That article basically shows what I needed to know. I personally don't know anybody that sits there clicking on ads in their fav youtubers videos, but youtubers are still making a decent living regardless. It's really small channels that don't know how to market themselves right that might actually complain about this.. Can't believe this guy was actually complaining about it.. but that's what patreon, live streams, t-shirts.. I have had an irl friend get on to me for using adblock on free streaming sites and shit, but that's kind of different.
Still Me Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 dont know don't care...if I have to sit through one more Pantene commercial I'm gonna fucking lose it
PhilosipherStoned Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 Well to rap up my short little to do or not to do question. I think I might at least unpause my adblock here and there on youtube. Especially if it's an actual friend trying to get a good channel started, It hurts the little guy a lot more than it hurts google, which has owned youtube for years now. Google still gets to make their ad money off the sheer amount of uploaders uploading to youtube, but some people have brought up the potential of adblock to end the whole free viewing aspect. This pretty much sums it up.
Admin Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I don't think it effects YouTube because most adblock programs are designed to block popups and such, and not ads that, for example, just play automatically when you click a video. I have AdBlockPlus, strict popup blocker AND UBlock Origin. And YouTube ads still play regardless of all that. So I think the complaining dude is full of shit probably. Internet advertising is so ridiculously oversaturated anyway that I don't think anybody much notices it beyond just being annoyed that there's so much of it. Also one of the big factors in ditching the Proboard (though admittedly not the most important reason) was that Proboard carries mandatory ads with it, you can pay to shut them off but that's just as much a cashgrab scam as the ads themselves. Also that guy is an annoying corporate suckup douchefucker. "Nothing in life is free" ... unless it is. then - it's free. Unless you're attempting to schill for your corporate overlords, but at least being all "hm, if I put on my furry costume first, and couch my words right, people will just take me for a happy go lucky internet character". Oh yeah, don't forget to stay "high energy" and "friendly" and "make lots of gestures" so the slobbering internet masses don't tune out on your pitch to fill their empty lives with advertising. His douchey video basically amounts to "give us money, and/or give our advertisers money because money". Block ads. Fuck that douche and fuck his website and fuck his advertisers.
Still Me Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I don't think it effects YouTube because most adblock programs are designed to block popups and such, and not ads that, for example, just play automatically when you click a video. His douchey video basically amounts to "give us money, and/or give our advertisers money because money". Block ads. Fuck that douche and fuck his website and fuck his advertisers. seriously dude...edit yourself
Admin Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 whoops sorry I don't think it effects YouTube because most adblock programs are designed to block popups and such, and not ads that, for example, just play automatically when you click a video. His douchey video basically amounts to "give us money , and/or give our advertisers money because money ". Block ads. Fuck that douche and fuck his website and fuck his advertisers .
DragonSinger Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Well to rap up my short little to do or not to do question. I think I might at least unpause my adblock here and there on youtube. Especially if it's an actual friend trying to get a good channel started, It hurts the little guy a lot more than it hurts google, which has owned youtube for years now. Google still gets to make their ad money off the sheer amount of uploaders uploading to youtube, but some people have brought up the potential of adblock to end the whole free viewing aspect. This pretty much sums it up. Adblock got popular for a reason. Ads are annoying as fuck and yes even though I don't think there are malware/virus problems on sites like youtube, the type of ads chosen and them being unskippable still make them shitty. I'll give Twitter some credit though. I think they might be getting better with targeted ads because they've been sliding more Wonder Woman stuff and make-up tutorials into my feed. The fact that I can just scroll past them without drama also increases the odds of me checking them out.
PhilosipherStoned Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 whoops sorry >_> If your talking about the guy in the video I'm sure he is a douchebag corporate suck-up, but he hit a lot of the valid points I'd probably hit after looking into this a while and scanning multiple sources. I will say this. I paused adblock and continued to watch youtube, and I got a pre-roll ad like EVERY video. I saw an ad from Mcdonalds to the top right of markiplier's channel above the suggested vids. With adblock on youtube is almost completely adless for me, no pre-roll ad no very small advert for sponsors or anything. This thread was focused mainly on youtubing, but I'm sure you have alot better idea and maybe negative experiences if you've developed any type of basic site..forum or whatever. My goal was to go over how the simple every day joe makes money from youtube, and adblock can hurt their profits substantially from what I've seen. Speaking of web developers I remember just THE WORD "Adblock" was filtered on the ASMB because I guess the network, and or content creators TRIED to hinder the spread if it, and that gave me a good chuckle. Basically all I'm saying is if you know anybody struggling or just starting out trying to get into the business and you want to support them think about pausing adblock for a few minutes while you view their content if you know and trust them it isn't costing you anything it's just another free way to support what they do.
Admin Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I support creators by purchasing their work and/or supporting their causes, etc. Not by supporting randomly assigned advertisers that probably don't even know or care what said content is. taking off your adblock does almost zero for said content creators. All it really does is support a terrible system that doesn't really work for much of anyone (content creators or consumers) and contributes to the ongoing erosion of humanity and individuality in general, as well as creates an illusion of potential success even though it basically does nothing but perpetuate the top-down economy that simply is unsustainable. Honest people should be trying to make honest money of their content. Not mincing around all friendly like making sure they hit their gestures and speak with a sense of urgency because internet. The idea of turning off your adblocker to support content creators is a superficial designer idea created by people who want you to turn off that pesky adblocker so they can channel you, gather your information, and make money off you and perpetuated by content creators that don't know much about the issue, but know they want that extra few cents from the ad click. That douche in that video could give two fucks about your privacy, or who you are, or anything else. Just like his advertisers, all he cares about is how he can make money off you and your data. He can't do that if you've got your adblocker up. There's no "aw jeez guys look at it from the poor advertiser's side". the real other side is: If you have an ounce of fucking integrity, you won't sell the data of your patrons to the highest bidder, or expose their data to somebody just for tossing a few pennies your way for every click they get.
Guest The Hound Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 You're supposed to get contracts with companies and throw the ads into your videos like linus tech tips does - which is funny since someone actually posted a video of his in this thread all other ads are intrusive and I will continue to use ublock origin on them and everywhere on the web. Adblockers block intrusive ads - not ones that are legitimate ( provided you configure it correctly.)
naraku360 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I don't think it effects YouTube because most adblock programs are designed to block popups and such, and not ads that, for example, just play automatically when you click a video. I have AdBlockPlus, strict popup blocker AND UBlock Origin. And YouTube ads still play regardless of all that. So I think the complaining dude is full of shit probably. Internet advertising is so ridiculously oversaturated anyway that I don't think anybody much notices it beyond just being annoyed that there's so much of it. Also one of the big factors in ditching the Proboard (though admittedly not the most important reason) was that Proboard carries mandatory ads with it, you can pay to shut them off but that's just as much a cashgrab scam as the ads themselves. Also that guy is an annoying corporate suckup douchefucker. "Nothing in life is free" ... unless it is. then - it's free. Unless you're attempting to schill for your corporate overlords, but at least being all "hm, if I put on my furry costume first, and couch my words right, people will just take me for a happy go lucky internet character". Oh yeah, don't forget to stay "high energy" and "friendly" and "make lots of gestures" so the slobbering internet masses don't tune out on your pitch to fill their empty lives with advertising. His douchey video basically amounts to "give us money, and/or give our advertisers money because money". Block ads. Fuck that douche and fuck his website and fuck his advertisers. I only see ads on Youtube when using non-Adblocked computers. Most streaming websites request Adblock to be off so that their ads will play. Seems like you're doing something with these programs most of us aren't.
Guest The Hound Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I only see ads on Youtube when using non-Adblocked computers. Most streaming websites request Adblock to be off so that their ads will play. Seems like you're doing something with these programs most of us aren't. Rofl as if trying to stream grey-area licensed content on here wasn't a red flag to confirm the statement you just said
Admin Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I think my Firefox is set up nice. sometimes I forget and surf on my Chrome which isn't set up for it. And it's like so irritating to click on a 2 minute trailer (already an ad) for a movie or tv show or video game or something, and have to sit through a 3 minute+ ad to get to the actual trailer. It's a crazy internet.
naraku360 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Rofl as if trying to stream grey-area licensed content on here wasn't a red flag to confirm the statement you just said While some of it is grey-area, not all. Last I checked, Hulu and non-subscription Crunchyroll don't run well with Adblock. I mean.... Hulu doesn't run well in general, but worsened with Adblock.
naraku360 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 crunchyroll does okay for me. "non-subscription" If it's playing ads through Adblock, I don't know what to tell you. If I'm not using a paid account, wherein ads would be removed anyway, its always told me to turn Adblock off
PhilosipherStoned Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 You're supposed to get contracts with companies and throw the ads into your videos like linus tech tips does - which is funny since someone actually posted a video of his in this thread all other ads are intrusive and I will continue to use ublock origin on them and everywhere on the web. Adblockers block intrusive ads - not ones that are legitimate ( provided you configure it correctly.) Still a small black banner ad from your sponsors on the side of your video that absolutely in no way hinders the watchability of the video will go unseen. Sure you can call that "intrusive", but for people that do gaming channels or have series set up so stopping for an ad or trying to put some product placement in there shit without pausing the stream is going to upset viewers. It's not as easy as you make it sound, and they legally have to meet certain requirements from the advertiser to get paid. I was just trying to provide some food for thought not get a bunch of keyboard warriors to turn off their adblock..
naraku360 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Still a small black banner add from your sponsors on the side of your video that absolutely in no way hinders the watchability of the video will go unseen. Sure you can call that "intrusive", but for people that do gaming channels or have series set up so stopping for an ad or trying to put some product placement in there shit without pausing the stream is going to upset viewers.it's not as easy as you make it sound, and they legally have to meet certain requirements from the advertiser to get paid. I was just trying to provide some food for thought not get a bunch of keyboard warriors to turn off their adblock.. He's also wrong about the definition of legitimate ads. The creators are encouraged to have in-video adverts (god I hate that shit more than anything, actually), but some people get monetization from the commercials generated onto their videos. Commercials that Adblock blocks.
lupin_bebop Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Short answer: Yes. Long answer: It doesn't affect their money in the way you think it does, directly. Youtubers get money from their AdSense accounts, via Google. Part of that money goes back to advertisers, so they can get more ads up, part of it goes to Google, for hosting fees. The amount they get is dependent on the number of clicks that ad gets. Problem is that "clicks" on ads usually aren't intentional. Not only that, it's hard to count what is a "watched" or "viewed" ad on YouTube. Adblockers still affect these numbers, because ads don't make it to the ones that click or view them.
God-Says-No Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 1. in short yes adblock cuts into their revenue 2. even if a site wanted to block you from using their site because you had adblock on; that lock can be disarmed by inspecting element and going from there
PhilosipherStoned Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 Im aware of this I've looked and asked around at this point. Someone told me google takes about 40% of their total ad revenue. I think it matches up with this I'll repost it. There ARE still otherways to make money off of avertisements other than getting lucky when a viewer accidentally clicks an ad, or baiting them into it. Especially here in the present day.. http://videopower.org/how-many-views-to-make-money-on-youtube/
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