Oh, well this isn't cooked yet.

[PenguinBoss]

11 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

At least the witches were allowed to say things in their own defense.

Crazy how he didn't appeal on that. Almost like it's a lie fed to you by political pundits that you're more than happy to lap up.

"Also on May 2, Tacopina confirmed that Trump would not testify at the trial.^[124]"

So railroaded. Much bias.

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

5 minutes ago, PenguinBoss said:

Crazy how he didn't appeal on that. Almost like it's a lie fed to you by political pundits that you're more than happy to lap up.

"Also on May 2, Tacopina confirmed that Trump would not testify at the trial.^[124]"

So railroaded. Much bias.

He is appealing, none the less.  His lawyers will probably bring up those issues.

[PenguinBoss]

13 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

He is appealing, none the less.  His lawyers will probably bring up those issues.

Bring up how he chose not to testify?

[naraku360]

45 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

At least the witches were allowed to say things in their own defense.

You are unbelievably stupid.

[naraku360]

22 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

He is appealing, none the less.  His lawyers will probably bring up those issues.

Did he get burned to death for not giving a defense?

Edited August 3 by naraku360

[katt_goddess]

58 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

At least the witches were allowed to say things in their own defense.

They said they were innocent and were taken to the hill after. The one guy was crushed to death because he refused to answer the question knowing that he had already been declared guilty by the very people who got to divy up his property for turning him in. It was the rich of Salem that accused the poor and the rich got to keep portions of the accused's property including land once the guilty verdict was read. Oh, and all those witches of Salem spent massive amounts of time in jail, not whining from a private golf course about people being mean to them. And Tituba? Her jail bill was so much [ the accused were charged for their stays as well as food ] that when she was 'freed' from the jail, she was sold off as property to pay the fees. The witch hunts ended when someone got too greedy and started accusing the rich and elite of dancing for the devil. Suddenly everything got shut down because the hunting touched the wrong person. 

Princess Tinyhands won't shut up about how great and innocent he is and how everyone is just after him for being so great and innocent and he's got morons like you parroting that same crap. He's never spent a minute in jail despite deserving to rot in one. He has yet to pay any of his bills or judgements. He thinks going for more than half an hour without being able to button-mash for a diet coke is starvation tactics. 

And when the gallows were set up on the lawn of Congress, it was his words and his people setting it up. It wasn't Biden, it wasn't Obama, it wasn't the fictional deep state. It was him having a temper tantrum and wanting everyone that dared to say nope to him to swing. 

The next time he starts mumbling live about how everything against him is totally a 'witch hunt', may the veins in his tongue burst. 

[scoobdog]

20 hours ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

It is in fact the bank's sole responsibility to audit and verify the value of any collateral offered for EVERY loan, regardless of the amount borrowed.  A deliberate failure on the bank's part to do so is not Don's fault at all and when Don met every single one of his payment obligations on those loans, no fraud has been committed.

Also, one single person getting a large loan does NOT exclude other borrowers from receiving loans from the same bank.

Do you not know how to read?  The bank doesn’t have to be a victim of a loss for Donald Trump to perpetrate a fraud.  If a borrower defrauds a bank by artificially inflating the value of his collateral, the bank can still get all its money and profits.  The bank doesn’t care if it gets the profits from Don or a small business owner, but it also doesn’t have unlimited funds.  If Donny gets more money than he deserves, someone else gets less money than the deserve.  That’s why what Donny did is illegal.  Seriously, how retarded do you have to be not understand that?

[naraku360]

1 hour ago, scoobdog said:

Seriously, how retarded do you have to be not understand that?

Packard.

[1pooh4u]

9 hours ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

At least the witches were allowed to say things in their own defense.

You are incredibly fuckin stupid. So did fuckin Trump. In cases where he chose not to testify THAT WAS HIS CHOICE. 

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

6 hours ago, scoobdog said:

Do you not know how to read?  The bank doesn’t have to be a victim of a loss for Donald Trump to perpetrate a fraud.  If a borrower defrauds a bank by artificially inflating the value of his collateral, the bank can still get all its money and profits.  The bank doesn’t care if it gets the profits from Don or a small business owner, but it also doesn’t have unlimited funds.  If Donny gets more money than he deserves, someone else gets less money than the deserve.  That’s why what Donny did is illegal.  Seriously, how retarded do you have to be not understand that?

It's this way, Chief...

 

[André Toulon]

Im not watching that but I got a dub says it doesn't say what you think it says

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

1 minute ago, André Toulon said:

Im not watching that but I got a dub says it doesn't say what you think it says

Okay, nevermind that then.

If I apply for a quarter million dollar loan and offer a bag of dirty cat litter as collateral, the entire burden of verifying the value is on the bank.  The bank could either approve the loan without any question or tell me I'm literally full of shit and I should just go pound sand.

No fraud.

[André Toulon]

Omfg, I'll watch your stupid video if you stop with these vacuous hypotheticals.🤣

How is this helping the argument that I'm completely sure you believe you're winning.

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

Just now, André Toulon said:

Omfg, I'll watch your stupid video if you stop with these vacuous hypotheticals.🤣

How is this helping the argument that I'm completely sure you believe you're winning.

The burden of verifying collateral value is always on the lender, not the borrower. 

[naraku360]

8 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

The burden of verifying collateral value is always on the lender, not the borrower. 

I'm too sober to deal with how dumb this argument is, and I'm not sober at all.

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

22 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

I'm too sober to deal with how dumb this argument is, and I'm not sober at all.

So, you're saying lenders are in the habit of approving loans without doing any research on the borrowers?  That's a sloppy way to do business and it's probably better for everyone if banks that do, end up bankrupt and closed.

Edited August 4 by The Evil Dr. Longshadow

[1pooh4u]

ITT Packard refuses to acknowledge that although banks have a duty of due diligence in evaluating value of collateral for loans it’s also the responsibility of the borrowers to not intentionally submit fraudulent statements, documents and other information 

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

28 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

ITT Packard refuses to acknowledge that although banks have a duty of due diligence in evaluating value of collateral for loans it’s also the responsibility of the borrowers to not intentionally submit fraudulent statements, documents and other information 

Aaaaaannnd...  HOW were ANY of those documents fraudulent?  Is it because a man who had absolutely ZERO experience in the real estate market gave a random guess to a judge?

[1pooh4u]

7 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

Aaaaaannnd...  HOW were ANY of those documents fraudulent?  Is it because a man who had absolutely ZERO experience in the real estate market gave a random guess to a judge?

The documents were fraudulent because his properties weren’t worth as much as he said they were. He would inflate on documents to get favorable loans and undervalue when it came to paying taxes. 
 

and no that’s not what happened. Just STFU people aren’t allowed to submit fraudulent documents to a bank regardless of the bank’s responsibility of due diligence 

[André Toulon]

I mean, he was literally caught falsifying shit just a few days ago,

 

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

57 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

The documents were fraudulent because his properties weren’t worth as much as he said they were. He would inflate on documents to get favorable loans and undervalue when it came to paying taxes. 
 

and no that’s not what happened. Just STFU people aren’t allowed to submit fraudulent documents to a bank regardless of the bank’s responsibility of due diligence 

WHO said they were not worth as much as Don stated?

I know, the unqualified man who ventured a random guess to the judge AFTER the fact.

[1pooh4u]

4 hours ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

WHO said they were not worth as much as Don stated?

I know, the unqualified man who ventured a random guess to the judge AFTER the fact.

Who said they were worth as much as Don stated?  Just some bozo venturing a random guess too high BEFORE getting favorable loan terms and another bozo lowering them BEFORE filing taxes?

 

this is well documented btw it left a paper trail his convenient raising and lowering of property values as it suited him 

[1pooh4u]

But I get it now. If Packard doesn’t think it matters then the laws don’t have to be followed. It’s why he lies cheats and steals and smokes wherever he wants. The laws don’t apply to him. 

[PenguinBoss]

8 hours ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

The burden of verifying collateral value is always on the lender, not the borrower. 

How exactly did you come across this information?

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

1 minute ago, PenguinBoss said:

How exactly did you come across this information?

You'll know any time you apply for a collateralized loan.

If they're smart, they'll never take your word for it.

Edited August 4 by The Evil Dr. Longshadow

[1pooh4u]

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

7 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

So, the correct person to ask about the property in question is the county or municipal property tax assessor, not some armchair quarterback who handed the judge a random guess.

Also, "intent to deceive" has to be included in the charge.

[PenguinBoss]

47 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

You'll know any time you apply for a collateralized loan.

If they're smart, they'll never take your word for it.

So you applied for a collateralized loan, and that's how you know? Just say that, weirdo.

[1pooh4u]

39 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

So, the correct person to ask about the property in question is the county or municipal property tax assessor, not some armchair quarterback who handed the judge a random guess.

Also, "intent to deceive" has to be included in the charge.

That’s not what happened they also had witnesses saying they did fraudulent shit. You can’t intentionally give false information to banks. 

[1pooh4u]

[lupin_bebop]

On 8/3/2025 at 10:47 PM, scoobdog said:

Do you not know how to read?  The bank doesn’t have to be a victim of a loss for Donald Trump to perpetrate a fraud.  If a borrower defrauds a bank by artificially inflating the value of his collateral, the bank can still get all its money and profits.  The bank doesn’t care if it gets the profits from Don or a small business owner, but it also doesn’t have unlimited funds.  If Donny gets more money than he deserves, someone else gets less money than the deserve.  That’s why what Donny did is illegal.  Seriously, how retarded do you have to be not understand that?

Don’t bother. This dumb motherfucker doesn’t understand how the FDIC or things actually work. 

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

20 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

That’s not what happened they also had witnesses saying they did fraudulent shit. You can’t intentionally give false information to banks. 

What about my own assets when I'm looking for a loan?  No matter how much or how little I have, I already know well enough that I won't be approved if I just hand the lender a lot of nonsense. 

Lenders ask for evidence, such as active, recent bank statements.  You’re acting like the poor, innocent bank executive was swindled - handed one lie after another and he seriously had no way of knowing until some time after he approved the loan.

Edited August 5 by The Evil Dr. Longshadow

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

2 hours ago, lupin_bebop said:

Don’t bother. This dumb motherfucker doesn’t understand how the FDIC or things actually work. 

Banking as it is, FYI:

 

[discolé monade]

The New York Attorney General's office brought the lawsuit against Trump, his adult children, and the Trump Organization, alleging that these inflated valuations were used to secure more favorable loan terms and lower insurance premiums. A New York judge ultimately found that Donald Trump and the Trump Organization engaged in years of fraud by exaggerating his net worth to obtain loans and other benefits. 

[discolé monade]

Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney general, found that the former president and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing financing.

[discolé monade]

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

1 minute ago, discolé monade said:

Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney general, found that the former president and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing financing.

So, how does any of this negate the documentation that Don had to show to the lender?  Like, it's all suddenly null and void, because a judge SAID so?

Is THAT how the American legal system is supposed to work? 

[1pooh4u]

30 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

What about my own assets when I'm looking for a loan?  No matter how much or how little I have, I already know well enough that I won't be approved if I just hand the lender a lot of nonsense. 

Lenders ask for evidence, such as active, recent bank statements.  You’re acting like the poor, innocent bank executive was swindled - handed one lie after another and he seriously had no way of knowing until some time after he approved the loan.

The documents were falsified. What don’t you understand? You can’t lie about the value of assets on documents you submit to banks. 
 

you’re over here acting like these lies don’t damage the public when they attempted to get loans.  Someone didn’t get a loan they deserved to get because Trump turned in a bunch of bullshit  

none of this even matters because the case wasn’t about the bank  the bank didn’t sue Trump. NYS did 

 

[scoobdog]

48 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

What about my own assets when I'm looking for a loan?  No matter how much or how little I have, I already know well enough that I won't be approved if I just hand the lender a lot of nonsense. 

Lenders ask for evidence, such as active, recent bank statements.  You’re acting like the poor, innocent bank executive was swindled - handed one lie after another and he seriously had no way of knowing until some time after he approved the loan.

That’s because you look like a vagrant.  I wouldn’t loan to you either, no matter what your fake ass credit score is.

No one is acting like the banks are victims.  The evidence you describe can be faked, and frequently is.  Most of the time, banks loan based on your history, not on your unverifiable assets.  You’re still required to provide that documentation and you’re still committing fraud if you falsify it.

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

24 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

The documents were falsified. What don’t you understand? You can’t lie about the value of assets on documents you submit to banks. 
 

you’re over here acting like these lies don’t damage the public when they attempted to get loans.  Someone didn’t get a loan they deserved to get because Trump turned in a bunch of bullshit  

none of this even matters because the case wasn’t about the bank  the bank didn’t sue Trump. NYS did 

 

How was that done?  Like, did he use Word Pad to crank some documents out of thin air?

[1pooh4u]

29 minutes ago, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

How was that done?  Like, did he use Word Pad to crank some documents out of thin air?

Don’t be a fuckin idiot. You’ve filled out paperwork before. Even if someone had to read it to you 

[1pooh4u]

[lupin_bebop]

On 8/4/2025 at 9:02 AM, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

WHO said they were not worth as much as Don stated?

I know, the unqualified man who ventured a random guess to the judge AFTER the fact.

• Their OWN motherfucking paperwork
• The property appraisal companies
• His accountants
• The county tax assessor
• The state tax assessor
• Federal accountants
• The bank(s)
• Every one of his defunct ass “businesses”, because he’s a shitty business man
• His own financial holdings
• The literal audit rolls
• The IRS
• The equity firms backing some of the money
• Every single of the “partners in business” this motherfucker has ever had (read: Everyone who’s been backstabbed by this ass clown)
• Everyone who’s tried Fuckhead (read: Trump) University
• ABC, because they kicked his ass off his own show
• Disney, because they got tired of his bullshit
• Jehova
• Vishnu
• Allah
• Buddha
• God
• Satan
• Literally everyone who’s looked

[naraku360]

On 8/5/2025 at 11:34 AM, 1pooh4u said:

Don’t be a fuckin idiot.

That's her entire identity, though.

[lupin_bebop]

On 8/5/2025 at 12:25 PM, The Evil Dr. Longshadow said:

So, how does any of this negate the documentation that Don had to show to the lender?  Like, it's all suddenly null and void, because a judge SAID so?

Is THAT how the American legal system is supposed to work? 

Wow. You don’t miss a single opportunity to be a complete and total fuck head, do you? Not. One. 

You can show any paperwork you want to the lender. They pretty much rubber stamp it. If they’ve never heard of you or lent money to you before, then they’ll do some preliminary looking. Otherwise, they just verify whatever you put down, and give you money. The “asset(s)” this pedophilic narcissist put down as “collateral” are what your “vested pension” is: imaginary. You can do pretty much anything you want if you have enough money or clout. This is literally how the boy’s club of business works. That’s also how a lot of fraud occurs. You can literally cook the books however you want, if you do it right (or have a lot of money to blow/hide).

Also, if the paperwork is found to be fraudulent, then yes, it’s considered null and void, because it’s not a valid contract anymore.

Also, yes, that’s pretty how the legal system works for those who are more intelligent than a piece of toast. 

Edited August 15 by lupin_bebop

[Insipid]

lupin, please

[lupin_bebop]

What? 

Edited August 15 by lupin_bebop

[Insipid]

Adding gas to the woodpile when the fire has burned out.

[lupin_bebop]

Fine…..I prefer to salt the place, too. That’s just me, though.