ghostrek Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I don't mean my actions or people being mad because I fucked up. Well, I'm not completely but groups I blame the reactions to me. There's been times when I was getting help from both state and federal governments. People have walked up to me and yelled at me for either taking food out of their kid's mouths or double dipping them because I was already getting money from the government in one way or the other. I told them every time no you don't like it you know you can write your congressman's exact words there I think I got in trouble a few times basically from my bosses for telling people to fuck off like that which I did not mean to them to say fuck off. I sincerely meant for them to write their congressman to have at least someone in power here to a grievance instead of someone benefiting from the laws they made. I don't have the power to make the laws. Now I sincerely see a lot more hostility or aggression to people who are functional but still have a cognitive, intellectual, or neurodivergent disorder. I see it in people who are more severely diagnosed but still functional not just mild. And it's getting me sick because I am suffering it myself would be I don't think they would say that to my face but I do think that's a fucking factor. Either way, I blame the government. I'm personally and I have said to some people I believe people like myself and others would have our geographic communities of some kind. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 (edited) Unfortunately, my mindset has somehow radicalized me and it's scary. I'm not planning anything violent Edited January 15 by ghostrek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnrael Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 There is no good explanation for why they treat you this way. Its wrong, and its rooted in ableism and a desire to maintain the social hierarchy they've learned to derive meaning and self worth from. If they recognize that all of us should and could have our basic survival needs met without having to be exploited by people who don't care if we live or die, they'd have to give up feeling like they're better than people who are have less than them. That's uncomfortable for a lot of people, because finding a new source of identity and self worth that isn't one's job and income bracket is not easy. It takes a lot of questioning things we've had to take for granted to survive in this society, unlearning and changing beliefs that are harmful but familiar and comforting to us, and learning a new way to look at the world. It's worth doing, though. This should radicalize you. That doesn't mean you have to engage in violence at all, there are all kinds of radical ways you can make difference that are focused on helping people and/or growing community. A radical mindset isn't inherently bad or violent, and in fact I would argue that a society built on exploitation and domination is itself inherently bad AND violent. A radical mindset is simply one that takes a radical departure from the assumed beliefs and ideas of a society. This society, especially the US, is built on white supremacy, patriarchy, and ableism, and a radical departure from that is not only ok, its a moral and ethical imperative and I could not do otherwise and believe myself to be a good person. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, Lynnrael said: There is no good explanation for why they treat you this way. Its wrong, and its rooted in ableism and a desire to maintain the social hierarchy they've learned to derive meaning and self worth from. If they recognize that all of us should and could have our basic survival needs met without having to be exploited by people who don't care if we live or die, they'd have to give up feeling like they're better than people who are have less than them. That's uncomfortable for a lot of people, because finding a new source of identity and self worth that isn't one's job and income bracket is not easy. It takes a lot of questioning things we've had to take for granted to survive in this society, unlearning and changing beliefs that are harmful but familiar and comforting to us, and learning a new way to look at the world. It's worth doing, though. This should radicalize you. That doesn't mean you have to engage in violence at all, there are all kinds of radical ways you can make difference that are focused on helping people and/or growing community. A radical mindset isn't inherently bad or violent, and in fact I would argue that a society built on exploitation and domination is itself inherently bad AND violent. A radical mindset is simply one that takes a radical departure from the assumed beliefs and ideas of a society. This society, especially the US, is built on white supremacy, patriarchy, and ableism, and a radical departure from that is not only ok, its a moral and ethical imperative and I could not do otherwise and believe myself to be a good person. I kind of get what you're saying but I slightly have a different political view than that I am more on the center than the far left. I often have dreams/daydreams of revolution in my head. I'm also from a more conservative part of the country @Lynnrael i mean I do not necessarily what values are rooted in our country I slightly disagree with you on that I do encounter a lot more moral people. Then others but once again I'm far more conservative rural part of the country and being nice to each other is not just a social politeness thing it is also a survival strategy. i'm also a former communist by the way so I am not going back to that type of ideology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Hey, you at least seem to have a better understanding of the government than they do. At the same time, it's really none of their business. Tell them to go fuck themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 Just now, Insipid said: Hey, you at least seem to have a better understanding of the government than they do. At the same time, it's really none of their business. Tell them to go fuck themselves. i know i know that now and I'm glad I left that job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 @Lynnrael i am i am willing to help improve the lives of other neurodivergent people in this country and around the world but I don't know how to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 minute ago, ghostrek said: i know i know that now and I'm glad I left that job Oh, this again? You're dwelling on the past yet again. I think I told you to stop doing that and just learn from your mistakes not too long ago about your old workplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnrael Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, ghostrek said: @Lynnrael i am i am willing to help improve the lives of other neurodivergent people in this country and around the world but I don't know how to mutual aid is always a great place to start, though most mutual aid networks aren't directly aimed at helping neurodivergent people, we are more likely to end up homeless than NTs, so mutual networks aimed at that will end up helping a lot of neurodivergent people too. There are also a lot of people engaged directly and indirectly in disability advocacy in a variety of ways. Fair warning, the vast majority of people who are disability advocates are pretty far to the left. This is a consequence of learning how ableism works and what it comes from, and ultimately it is impossible to act against ableism effectively and not act against capitalism and all of its surrounding power structures. This doesn't mean you have to be a statist communist. I'm what some would call a libertarian socialist, though I would just say anarchist. Communism is not the only alternative to capitalism, and I do not believe an authoritative state can ever achieve the goals claimed by communists anyways. This could be a good place to start but you may also need to do more localized research about what organizations exist in your area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Lynnrael said: mutual aid is always a great place to start, though most mutual aid networks aren't directly aimed at helping neurodivergent people, we are more likely to end up homeless than NTs, so mutual networks aimed at that will end up helping a lot of neurodivergent people too. There are also a lot of people engaged directly and indirectly in disability advocacy in a variety of ways. Fair warning, the vast majority of people who are disability advocates are pretty far to the left. This is a consequence of learning how ableism works and what it comes from, and ultimately it is impossible to act against ableism effectively and not act against capitalism and all of its surrounding power structures. This doesn't mean you have to be a statist communist. I'm what some would call a libertarian socialist, though I would just say anarchist. Communism is not the only alternative to capitalism, and I do not believe an authoritative state can ever achieve the goals claimed by communists anyways. This could be a good place to start but you may also need to do more localized research about what organizations exist in your area. thank you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I think I've mentioned it before since this topic repeats itself periodically, but it probably bears repeating. In an ideal world, people would be naturally inquisitive and invested in their governance. There are plenty of inequalities that are built into the system, and not all of them are related to concerted efforts to marginalize or discriminate against a class of people. A lot of the time, people are disenfranchised simply because the architecture of the local free market system hasn't adapted in real time. Living in a society is fundamentally about adapting as challenges arise, something we all rarely do. Therein lies the problem: most people don't have the natural inquisitiveness (a euphemism for intelligence in this instance) or the time to properly investigate their own circumstances. Now, I'm not suggesting you aren't doing that - I'm merely pointing out that the root cause of out hyperpolarized social state is the inability to grasp the basic mechanics of our communities like the local economy, social hierarchy (in a sense of social roles, not in a sense of authority), resource allotment, and infrastructure. Complicated as that might sound, the simplest expression is that when we don't understand what we need to survive in our homes, we tend to blame society as a whole rather than identify the local dysfunction., This is why previously rational people support tin-pot dictators, express stridently xenophobic attitudes and openly berate people with disabilities. It's also why government is the first thing we blame when there is a breakdown. The short, but less palatable, answer is that government isn't to blame for people being shitty. The long answer is it can't correct for a populace that doesn't do the work to investigate their own circumstances and, instead, channels frustration into ideological totems. What you're experiencing is people who are making you a target of their own failures, whether it be intellectual or just temporal, to be aware of their personal responsibilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 5 hours ago, scoobdog said: I think I've mentioned it before since this topic repeats itself periodically, but it probably bears repeating. In an ideal world, people would be naturally inquisitive and invested in their governance. There are plenty of inequalities that are built into the system, and not all of them are related to concerted efforts to marginalize or discriminate against a class of people. A lot of the time, people are disenfranchised simply because the architecture of the local free market system hasn't adapted in real time. Living in a society is fundamentally about adapting as challenges arise, something we all rarely do. Therein lies the problem: most people don't have the natural inquisitiveness (a euphemism for intelligence in this instance) or the time to properly investigate their own circumstances. Now, I'm not suggesting you aren't doing that - I'm merely pointing out that the root cause of out hyperpolarized social state is the inability to grasp the basic mechanics of our communities like the local economy, social hierarchy (in a sense of social roles, not in a sense of authority), resource allotment, and infrastructure. Complicated as that might sound, the simplest expression is that when we don't understand what we need to survive in our homes, we tend to blame society as a whole rather than identify the local dysfunction., This is why previously rational people support tin-pot dictators, express stridently xenophobic attitudes and openly berate people with disabilities. It's also why government is the first thing we blame when there is a breakdown. The short, but less palatable, answer is that government isn't to blame for people being shitty. The long answer is it can't correct for a populace that doesn't do the work to investigate their own circumstances and, instead, channels frustration into ideological totems. What you're experiencing is people who are making you a target of their own failures, whether it be intellectual or just temporal, to be aware of their personal responsibilities. So make it short here You just said people don't like to circumstances their lives they either blame the government or some other group that they don't like( either disability, race religion ,or whatever) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 4 hours ago, ghostrek said: So make it short here You just said people don't like to circumstances their lives they either blame the government or some other group that they don't like( either disability, race religion ,or whatever) Sort of… They blame easily identified dysfunction, but that blame manifests as bigotry. For instance, the concept of the “welfare queen” is an easily identified anomaly in society that has negligible impact on those who depend on social safety nets yet presents a glaring example of society’s failure to function. People blame their circumstances on failures unrelated to and beyond their control, and use blatantly racist, bigoted, misogynistic, and ableist stereotypes totems of those failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On 1/15/2024 at 6:25 PM, Insipid said: Oh, this again? You're dwelling on the past yet again. I think I told you to stop doing that and just learn from your mistakes not too long ago about your old workplace. Is it really the past? Do you actually think he would still be complaining about a place he actually left? The pee on the toilet seat thing reignited my suspicion, but I'm starting to like this show when I'm not booing at the screen so I'm not clamoring for it's end now....it's kinda great when you just enjoy it for what it is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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discolé monade Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 10 hours ago, ghostrek said: So make it short here You just said people don't like to circumstances their lives they either blame the government or some other group that they don't like( either disability, race religion ,or whatever) or SOME people....JUST like playing the victim, so they can blame everyone around them.... or, scrambling to find thread content. either way....why are you discussing your benefits with strangers? but the topper to all of this... your post is sus...as it's been done. but your writing skills are on point today. not feeling the alt ego this morning? Edited January 17 by discolé monade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, André Toulon said: The pee on the toilet seat thing reignited my suspicion, I don't know what this is referring to, but I don't clean jack shit and it pisses me the fuck off when people piss all over the toilet seat. I hella gotta shit, but oh no, now I have to wipe up your piss first because you are a giant piece of shit. *using the Royal You (if that's a thing). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 16 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: I don't know what this is referring to, but I don't clean jack shit and it pisses me the fuck off when people piss all over the toilet seat. I hella gotta shit, but oh no, now I have to wipe up your piss first because you are a giant piece of shit. *using the Royal You (if that's a thing). Barring some sort of digestive disease, I never understood how public shitting is so rampant....I goes years without ever needing to shit in a public restroom...this includes work. I may hide in the bathroom every once in a while, but my cheeks don't touch them seats. Last time I remember needing to was when ATL ended freaknik and MS tried to do it. Man, that was just a huge debacle....no empty restrooms for miles, stomach full of beer and coke....agh, what a fucking day.....but that was 2001. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, André Toulon said: Barring some sort of digestive disease, I never understood how public shitting is so rampant....I goes years without ever needing to shit in a public restroom...this includes work. I may hide in the bathroom every once in a while, but my cheeks don't touch them seats. Last time I remember needing to was when ATL ended freaknik and MS tried to do it. Man, that was just a huge debacle....no empty restrooms for miles, stomach full of beer and coke....agh, what a fucking day.....but that was 2001. Having diarrhea at school multiple times desensitized me to public shitting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: Having diarrhea at school multiple times desensitized me to public shitting. Being in public restrooms made me promise never to touch anything in them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 when i was like 5, my aunt taught me to put toilet paper down, and still squat. now, later in life, and sans gallbladder, i find i have to shit in public, after eating. it just happens. still put the toilet paper down, but hopefully those seat covers are available. can't squat, but i carry wipes, sanitizer and even spray, because public bathrooms are fucking gross. and with that being said, i never touch the flush. always use my foot. i don't care what anyone says. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, discolé monade said: or SOME people....JUST like playing the victim, so they can blame everyone around them.... or, scrambling to find thread content. either way....why are you discussing your benefits with strangers? but the topper to all of this... your post is sus...as it's been done. but your writing skills are on point today. not feeling the alt ego this morning? He said he had a question...I'm kinda still waiting for it, but you know....not really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 9 minutes ago, André Toulon said: He said he had a question...I'm kinda still waiting for it, but you know....not really. i think the question was is it ok to wear last years MAGA hats...or is wearing white now ok after labor day? maybe? Edited January 17 by discolé monade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 hours ago, André Toulon said: Is it really the past? Do you actually think he would still be complaining about a place he actually left? The pee on the toilet seat thing reignited my suspicion, but I'm starting to like this show when I'm not booing at the screen so I'm not clamoring for it's end now....it's kinda great when you just enjoy it for what it is. I dunno. I've known a few underachieving people who could never get over the past. I don't really care to read further into this either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 4 hours ago, Insipid said: I dunno. I've known a few underachieving people who could never get over the past. I don't really care to read further into this either. It's was a rhetorical question and I used you as a jumpoff...I wasn't actually prompting you for conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, André Toulon said: It's was a rhetorical question and I used you as a jumpoff...I wasn't actually prompting you for conversation. Ok? Thanks for feeling the need to clarify that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 5 minutes ago, Insipid said: Ok? Thanks for feeling the need to clarify that. You're welcome 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 now we're cooking with fire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 People just walk up to you and yell at you for what? Using an EBT card? How does anyone know what you get or don’t get from the government? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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