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1 hour ago, SwimModSponges said:

So i should just ignore the creeping fascism? 

Because thats worked out so well throughout history.

I don't "go looking" for anything. 

In the morning i sit on the toilet and read the news.

Also thats what rants is here for.

I think I see your problem.

Not that I'm one of those guys that thinks the media is lying to us, I'm not.  It's just that it seems pretty clear to me that you've got PTSD from reading the news and it's warped your perception of reality.

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1 hour ago, SwimModSponges said:

We're in an unhealthy place as a nation.

Just over 200 days ago there was a literal coup attempt that came within feet of succeeding. 

And the people who aren't pretending it didn't happen are making jokes about it.

The nation is being gaslit into the belief that it was no big deal, that it won't happen again, and even if it does happen it won't be serious and we won't see any actual consequences.

Its all a big joke, its all funny.

Just like when Trump was running for president- it was hilarious.

And when he won- it was crazy but it's not like it meant anything.

Nothing bad could ever happen here. We've got institutions in place, surely if something illegal or dangerous were to happen people would be held to account. Surely nothing could harm us.

"As a nation of free men we will live forever" and thats the end of the quote and we have nothing to worry about.

You definitely have PTSD.

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1 hour ago, SwimModSponges said:

We're in an unhealthy place as a nation.

Just over 200 days ago there was a literal coup attempt that came within feet of succeeding. 

And the people who aren't pretending it didn't happen are making jokes about it.

The nation is being gaslit into the belief that it was no big deal, that it won't happen again, and even if it does happen it won't be serious and we won't see any actual consequences.

Its all a big joke, its all funny.

Just like when Trump was running for president- it was hilarious.

And when he won- it was crazy but it's not like it meant anything.

Nothing bad could ever happen here. We've got institutions in place, surely if something illegal or dangerous were to happen people would be held to account. Surely nothing could harm us.

"As a nation of free men we will live forever" and thats the end of the quote and we have nothing to worry about.

Dude.

Stop reading Buzzfeed/Huffington Post/whatever the fuck else is pretending to be "news"

Put on sunscreen and deep woods off

Go outside

Touch grass

Play fetch with the dog

 

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33 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

You definitely have PTSD.

I do not have PTSD.

I'm actually fairly insulated from the majority of the effects of the various horrible things that have happened and will happen due to the fact that I'm a fairly well-to-do white man.

Answer these questions with factual statements-

Was there an attempted coup on January 6th?

Was that a bad thing?

Are people in power currently downplaying and denying it?

Are those people continuing to stoke the fires of sedition?

Getting real goddamn tired of being told I'm mentally ill just because I'm ponting at things that are happening and saying "Hey look, this is happening."

Know what the original title of 1984 was?

 

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Just now, SwimModSponges said:

I do not have PTSD.

I'm actually fairly insulated from the majority of the effects of the various horrible things that have happened and will happen due to the fact that I'm a fairly well-to-do white man.

Answer these questions with factual statements-

Was there an attempted coup on January 6th?

Was that a bad thing?

Are people in power currently downplaying and denying it?

Are those people continuing to stoke the fires of sedition?

Getting real goddamn tired of being told I'm mentally ill just because I'm ponting at things that are happening and saying "Hey look, this is happening."

Know what the original title of 1984 was?

 

But you're not "just pointing at things that are happening," dude.  You're adding commentary about how hopeless the situation is.  Maybe you dont intend it that way, but you're definitely expressing it.

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20 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

And then there's this douchebag.

And then there's motherfuckers that assume this is my entire life.

I post rants in rants because that's what rants is here for.

I post my current brewing escapades in the food folder because that's what that's there for.

I shitpost in dumpster fires... well you get the idea.

Telling me to go outside, motherffucker that's pretty much where I am when I'm not here.

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2 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

But you're not "just pointing at things that are happening," dude.  You're adding commentary about how hopeless the situation is.  Maybe you dont intend it that way, but you're definitely expressing it.

... Should I be happy that a republican leader who was caught procuring fake IDs to illegally smuggle children out of the country to rape and is still a rising conservative star?

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Just now, SwimModSponges said:

... Should I be happy that a republican leader was caught procuring IDs to illegally smuggle children out of the country to rape and is still a rising conservative star?

This right here:

2 hours ago, SwimModSponges said:

To double back on this- rightwing celebrity Tucker Carlson is implicated in this as well, and folks are claiming that the video of the man calling him a terrible human being was a CIA plot.

Nobody is going to face reprocussions. 

It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy.  You have no idea what's going to happen, nor do you know if Tucker Carlson even has a part in it.  He's just a convenient prop to point out the futility of it.

That's all you ever do:  point out what is wrong and insinuate how hopeless it is.

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A self fulfilling prophecy?

I'm trying to wrap my head around how that works... because I'm referencing the fact that pedophilia is demonstrably being committed by a republican elected official, who then implicated that a republican celebrity is also involved in it; and that I believe they will get away with it due to a history of deference paid to right-wing leaders which has allowed similar things to occur unchecked in the past, that this will come to fruition- purely by power of my will?

Because that's what a self-fulfilling prophecy is.

I'm not sure if you meant to use a different term, but I feel like you're giving me waaaaaaay too much credit here.

I suppose though if I do have that power I should probably do more than comment on how shitty that whole thing is.

Tell me, what should I do to fix this?

Do you think ignoring it would help?

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I used the right term.

A self-fulfilling prophecy is when you make a prediction and use specifics that make that prediction almost certainly to come to pass.

But, regardless, we're still going back to your pervasive and relentless pessimism.  I'm not sure what sympathy you hope to garner by being so relentless negative, but the fact you are so consistently pessimistic and so impossible to talk to in an non pessimistic framework is why you get treated like you're mentally ill.

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You can’t blame people for being disgusted. We are just finding out that the FBI Kavanaugh assault tip line was all just a sham, as hardly a single lead was followed up on.  Credible accusations were made and nothing was done. Now we will never know the truth and the truth won’t matter cuz he’s on the bench and that’s that.  Had the fbi followed up maybe we would have a different SCOTUS. Maybe they would have confirmed him anyway. Now we will never know. 

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27 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

You can’t blame people for being disgusted. We are just finding out that the FBI Kavanaugh assault tip line was all just a sham, as hardly a single lead was followed up on.  Credible accusations were made and nothing was done. Now we will never know the truth and the truth won’t matter cuz he’s on the bench and that’s that.  Had the fbi followed up maybe we would have a different SCOTUS. Maybe they would have confirmed him anyway. Now we will never know. 

Of course not.  No one is suggesting that we don't have a crisis on our hands.

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10 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

Of course not.  No one is suggesting that we don't have a crisis on our hands.

But we’ve all been suggesting Sponges doesn’t worry about it. I’m definitely guilty of it. I’m wondering if we’re being assholes. Is us telling him to basically stfu the same thing as telling someone in the middle of an anxiety attack to calm down? 

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28 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

But we’ve all been suggesting Sponges doesn’t worry about it. I’m definitely guilty of it. I’m wondering if we’re being assholes. Is us telling him to basically stfu the same thing as telling someone in the middle of an anxiety attack to calm down? 

I think, at some point… like, you can talk about it and if it’s just a rant, I guess go crazy. But it’s just so many trump threads… and it’s nothing new. If there is an opportunity to change peoples minds in his community I said get involved, but you ain’t getting much here.

Also, it really is the same shit…. There are some real pieces of shit on the Dem side too, but… it’s not republican so….

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1 hour ago, scoobdog said:

I used the right term.

A self-fulfilling prophecy is when you make a prediction and use specifics that make that prediction almost certainly to come to pass.

Really? Really?

No you very clearly didn't use the right term. He has absolutely no influence over what he's predicting so it's not a self fulfilling prophecy, in any sense.

A self fulfilling prophecy is when you're like "I know I'm going to do bad at this interview, I just know it" or "I'm going on a date but there's no way they'll like me," then you go do the thing with that attitude and those thoughts in your head, causing the thing you feared to happen. 

Jesus, you really can never see or admit when you're wrong about anything, ever. 

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1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said:

Both-sidesism doesn't really work after one side tries to literally overthrow the government.

Hmmm… but I did see that that Biden is jumping on the accelerated deportation efforts that Obama kicked in to high gear. I guess it really depends on what you care about

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And that argument doesn't hold water when your complaints about democrats are they aren't liberal enough, and your complaints about the right are that they're so anti-liberal that they literally  attempt a coup rather than have a conservative-leaning democrat as president.

I 100% am down with criticizing democrats and won't defend Obama's mass deportations,  expanded use of the drone program, and I'm sure several other things I can't think of right now because I'm in the middle of  a panic attack (I'm not really having a panic attack, and it's sort of absurd to insinuate that I am). Same with Biden (who was picked for VP because he was more conservative than Obama), same with the Clintons, Jimmy Carter is cool...

But yeah, when I point to the atrocities committed by one side of the political spectrum, and in reply you say "well what about these" when pointing at a point in the same spectrum but further from the edge of ideological fanaticism, that dog don't hunt.

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43 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

But we’ve all been suggesting Sponges doesn’t worry about it. I’m definitely guilty of it. I’m wondering if we’re being assholes. Is us telling him to basically stfu the same thing as telling someone in the middle of an anxiety attack to calm down? 

I can see why that might be the case but I think maybe we haven’t properly expressed things too.

I don’t think he’s wrong for sounding the warning; I just would like more insight in to what he’s warning.  To put it another way, I don’t really need him to tell me he lives in conservative country out that his neighbors are all shitty people; what I would like to know is why they’re that way.  I’d like to know why they cling to racist attitudes or they loathe conservatism.  That kind of insight is important in figuring out what we have a country where people we thought were reasonable voted for a monster than tried to overthrow the government to keep him in power.

 If all he’s doing is ringing the bell ‘till it cracks, it stops being a warning and turns into a compulsion.

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16 minutes ago, NaBoats said:

Really? Really?

No you very clearly didn't use the right term. He has absolutely no influence over what he's predicting so it's not a self fulfilling prophecy, in any sense.

A self fulfilling prophecy is when you're like "I know I'm going to do bad at this interview, I just know it" or "I'm going on a date but there's no way they'll like me," then you go do the thing with that attitude and those thoughts in your head, causing the thing you feared to happen. 

Jesus, you really can never see or admit when you're wrong about anything, ever. 

Want to guess why Sponged blocked you?

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No one had any illusions or delusions, but I think illusions might be correct, that Biden was gonna be any different on immigration than Obama.  I had hoped he woulda read the room better and did something to allow for people to come in from our southern border.  Biden is centrist. Despite what conservatives wanna say and honestly he seems to be doing things to please the right. 
we could be running the show right now. Killing the filibuster and getting shit done without the republicans at all, but it’s more important to have this illusion of working with the GOP than it is to pass legislation so, here we are.  We should be castrating the GOP. Not working with them. All the shit that Biden campaigned on, could’ve been done already. 

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7 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

I can see why that might be the case but I think maybe we haven’t properly expressed things too.

I don’t think he’s wrong for sounding the warning; I just would like more insight in to what he’s warning.  To put it another way, I don’t really need him to tell me he lives in conservative country out that his neighbors are all shitty people; what I would like to know is why they’re that way.  I’d like to know why they cling to racist attitudes or they loathe conservatism.  That kind of insight is important in figuring out what we have a country where people we thought were reasonable voted for a monster than tried to overthrow the government to keep him in power.

Boy howdy, if I knew what drove these sorts of people... I mean, the only  thing I can think of is brainwashing. Y'ever listen to AM radio?  Ever watch OAN or Newsmax? Y'ever sit down and watch an entire Tim Pool video?  It's fucking exhausting.

 If all he’s doing is ringing the bell ‘till it cracks, it stops being a warning and turns into a compulsion.

*obligatory masturbation joke*

 

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7 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

And that argument doesn't hold water when your complaints about democrats are they aren't liberal enough, and your complaints about the right are that they're so anti-liberal that they literally  attempt a coup rather than have a conservative-leaning democrat as president.

I 100% am down with criticizing democrats and won't defend Obama's mass deportations,  expanded use of the drone program, and I'm sure several other things I can't think of right now because I'm in the middle of  a panic attack (I'm not really having a panic attack, and it's sort of absurd to insinuate that I am). Same with Biden (who was picked for VP because he was more conservative than Obama), same with the Clintons, Jimmy Carter is cool...

But yeah, when I point to the atrocities committed by one side of the political spectrum, and in reply you say "well what about these" when pointing at a point in the same spectrum but further from the edge of ideological fanaticism, that dog don't hunt.

No one insinuated you were having a panic attack. I was only saying that telling you to stfu is about as helpful as telling someone having an anxiety attack to calm down. 

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4 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

Boy howdy, if I knew what drove these sorts of people... I mean, the only  thing I can think of is brainwashing. Y'ever listen to AM radio?  Ever watch OAN or Newsmax? Y'ever sit down and watch an entire Tim Pool video?

Don’t just “boy howdy” it, my dude.

 You don’t have a low EQ like Nabs.  You get when other people are upset, and you clearly take it to heart when you get criticism about being racially insensitive.

 Like it or not, being empathetic means understanding shitty people without necessarily sympathizing or condoning their behavior.  That fuckface with the Trump sign is doing something objectively racist and bigoted, but he has reasons for being that way that mirror other racist bigots.

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3 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

gotcha, sorry I misinterpreted you.

We cool.

It’s fine I just wanted to clarify what I said.

you need to doomsday post. I need to tell you to stfu. The world is balanced and the circle of life continues, or whatever  

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5 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

Don’t just “boy howdy” it, my dude.

 You don’t have a low EQ like Nabs.  You get when other people are upset, and you clearly take it to heart when you get criticism about being racially insensitive.

 Like it or not, being empathetic means understanding shitty people without necessarily sympathizing or condoning their behavior.  That fuckface with the Trump sign is doing something objectively racist and bigoted, but he has reasons for being that way that mirror other racist bigots.

All right, shit. 

Let's do this then.

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Aight I got it.

I think it comes down to critical race theory.

Aight so Wisconsin has never been great to black people. Y'ever hear of a "supper club"? It's a wisconsin invention to keep black people out of restaurants post integration. You see you had to let black people into restaurants, but you could restrict membership to a social club. That's just one example of course, but point is, black people have been held back incredibly in Wisconsin. As of 2020 we had the highest achievement gap in the nation. Now outside of a couple of counties in wisconsin, you literally never saw black people, due to social limitations on their mobility within the state. And of course as is the case in all states law enforcement routinely targets black individuals, and therefore our prisons and the prisons across the midwest are filled to the brim with african americans. And due to the prison-industrial complex being so incredibly lucrative these jails are filling up and overflowing into other counties. When they get let out on  parole, they get let out there.

And that's how most semi-rural wisconsinites encounter their first real-life black person. The rural ones just hear stories.

Now onto the latinos, a population rural wisconsinites are extremely familiar with.

There's 3 types of people on  a potato farm- the bosses and their kids, the white folk who live in trailer houses, and the mexicans who all live in a trailer. Nobody hates and fears the latinos like the poor white folks. They're literally the "they took 'er jerbs!!!" people, and as I child I was among them until a few lucky breaks pushed us up into the factory labor class and my mom was able to join a union, leading to my relative privilege and the fact  that I don't have Trump flags hanging from my truck. 

Then there's the whole religious aspect and appeal to tradition, but I gotta say 100% I feel like the defining tenet of midwestern conservatism is racism and 50 years of the southern strategy being pushed down their throats.

All right that was fun I'mma grill some chicken now.

 

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52 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

It’s fine I just wanted to clarify what I said.

you need to doomsday post. I need to tell you to stfu. The world is balanced and the circle of life continues, or whatever  

Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand.

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5 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

 

All right, shit. 

Let's do this then.

.....

Aight I got it.

I think it comes down to critical race theory.

Aight so Wisconsin has never been great to black people. Y'ever hear of a "supper club"? It's a wisconsin invention to keep black people out of restaurants post integration. You see you had to let black people into restaurants, but you could restrict membership to a social club. That's just one example of course, but point is, black people have been held back incredibly in Wisconsin. As of 2020 we had the highest achievement gap in the nation. Now outside of a couple of counties in wisconsin, you literally never saw black people, due to social limitations on their mobility within the state. And of course as is the case in all states law enforcement routinely targets black individuals, and therefore our prisons and the prisons across the midwest are filled to the brim with african americans. And due to the prison-industrial complex being so incredibly lucrative these jails are filling up and overflowing into other counties. When they get let out on  parole, they get let out there.

And that's how most semi-rural wisconsinites encounter their first real-life black person. The rural ones just hear stories.

Now onto the latinos, a population rural wisconsinites are extremely familiar with.

There's 3 types of people on  a potato farm- the bosses and their kids, the white folk who live in trailer houses, and the mexicans who all live in a trailer. Nobody hates and fears the latinos like the poor white folks. They're literally the "they took 'er jerbs!!!" people, and as I child I was among them until a few lucky breaks pushed us up into the factory labor class and my mom was able to join a union, leading to my relative privilege and the fact  that I don't have Trump flags hanging from my truck. 

Then there's the whole religious aspect and appeal to tradition, but I gotta say 100% I feel like the defining tenet of midwestern conservatism is racism and 50 years of the southern strategy being pushed down their throats.

All right that was fun I'mma grill some chicken now.

 

Context is everything, isn't it?  Obviously, we here in the SoCal have a love hate relationship with latinos that practically predates the United States itself.  White people periodically like to crack down on "The Mexicans" because they're ever-present, but what is always white washed is that men and women of latino (really Spanish / Native) descent have been a part of the local economy and social hierarchy for as long as the colonizers were roaming this part in the name of the Spanish King.  It leads to a duality:  we have migrant workers working the fields of the Central Valley the same as others have since the days of the land grants,  yet white people are quick to label these people as illegal immigrants unworthy of being in the United States.  It leads to the conclusion that a lot of our idea of illegal immigration stems from a class divide:  we not so much want to rid the country of undocumented workers as use immigration as a pretext to perpetuate a class divide and keep a traditional part of our communities as underclass.

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11 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

Context is everything, isn't it?  Obviously, we here in the SoCal have a love hate relationship with latinos that practically predates the United States itself.  White people periodically like to crack down on "The Mexicans" because they're ever-present,

Well, I made it a little further into this one before my face twisted into a cringing grimace and I had to look away 

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Just now, NaBoats said:

Well, I made it a little further into this one before my face twisted into a cringing grimace and I had to look away 

Just like you looked away when you where pretending to care about the "hopeless" white homeless people about the Greyhounds station in San Diego?

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1 hour ago, 1pooh4u said:

we could be running the show right now. Killing the filibuster and getting shit done without the republicans at all, but it’s more important to have this illusion of working with the GOP than it is to pass legislation so, here we are.  We should be castrating the GOP. Not working with them. All the shit that Biden campaigned on, could’ve been done already. 

This is seriously the brokenest part of the entire mess. It's no wonder democrats can't motivate voters. They're not the party that gets their shit done. Exacerbated by the fact that it's a fairly divided party of "establishment"(centrist?) dems and anyone beyond that with even a whiff of liberal. GOP seems to have this luxury of being capable of fully uniting behind any cause as long as it furthers the "own the libs" agenda.

For a two-party system, it's pretty one-sided. Forget running the show right now, imagine how long dems could be running with it if they ever actually demonstrated some follow-through.

(I know, a lot of these sentiments are probably largely biased and uneducated, shit takes time to happen, but damn, it'd be nice to see a little backbone from time to time)

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4 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

I know, a lot of these sentiments are probably largely biased and uneducated, shit takes time to happen, but damn, it'd be nice to see a little backbone from time to time)

You are seeing backbone, the establishment Dems are standing firm in doing what they want to do and are always going to do regardless of how much their voters hate them for it. 

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18 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

This is seriously the brokenest part of the entire mess. It's no wonder democrats can't motivate voters. They're not the party that gets their shit done. Exacerbated by the fact that it's a fairly divided party of "establishment"(centrist?) dems and anyone beyond that with even a whiff of liberal. GOP seems to have this luxury of being capable of fully uniting behind any cause as long as it furthers the "own the libs" agenda.

For a two-party system, it's pretty one-sided. Forget running the show right now, imagine how long dems could be running with it if they ever actually demonstrated some follow-through.

(I know, a lot of these sentiments are probably largely biased and uneducated, shit takes time to happen, but damn, it'd be nice to see a little backbone from time to time)

That 2 Democrats in the senate can prevent us from getting shit done is infuriating and you’re right. The republicans are a much more cohesive party. They back anything.  Democrats have morals or something. 

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Idk, maybe just a little bit generous to call it "morals" when they should know full well by now the impotency they're demonstrating. It's not really taking the high road or anything if the result is nothing gets done. The only thing that accomplishes is making it easier to take us further backwards.

That's not having morals. That's sabotage.

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13 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

That 2 Democrats in the senate can prevent us from getting shit done is infuriating and you’re right. The republicans are a much more cohesive party. They back anything.  Democrats have morals or something. 

It's not even close to only 2 Senate Dems, it is virtually the entire right wing capitalist imperialist party. We have two of those

 

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12 minutes ago, NaBoats said:

It's not even close to only 2 Senate Dems, it is virtually the entire right wing capitalist imperialist party. We have two of those

 

It’s 2 Senators stopping the government  from ending the filibuster. Sinema and Manchin.  

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