2024 Presidential Elections: the schadenfreude commences

[Insipid]

I'm glad people are fed up with celebrity endorsements. Oprah and Gayle can go eat each other out in contempt for Trump supporters in the French Riviera on a yacht, for all anyone should care.

[matrixman124]

9 minutes ago, Insipid said:

I'm glad people are fed up with celebrity endorsements. Oprah and Gayle can go eat each other out in contempt for Trump supporters in the French Riviera on a yacht, for all anyone should care.

They are all elites and they don't know nor care what happens to non-elites.

[Belize]

I don't know. Sounds like dumb populism. No offense. 

But maybe you're right. It's not a hill I want to fight over.

Edited November 8 by Belize

[matrixman124]

23 minutes ago, Belize said:

I don't know. Sounds like dumb populism. No offense. 

But maybe you're right. It's not a hill I want to fight over.

Like the problem is that you had legacy media outlets basically not challenging GOP propaganda. They would literally just present it to the population in the interest of being Unbiased when really it was because they didn't want to piss off the GOP

The owners and editorial boards of all these publications should be fired. Legacy media as an institution deserves to burn.

They've allowed themselves to launder misinformation to a clearly media illiterate population. They've failed to inform the public and they deserve to crumble

And Elon should not have been allowed to turn Twitter into the cesspool that it is because really it was how a lot of this shit got filtered into the legacy media's purview

Edited November 8 by matrixman124

[CountFrylock]

Saw someone who actually thinks comic book publishers will avoid progressive stories moving forward and try to avoid annoying trump/maga

So no more “woke”

 

[matrixman124]

8 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

Saw someone who actually thinks comic book publishers will avoid progressive stories moving forward and try to avoid annoying trump/maga

So no more “woke”

 

Good luck with the dip in sales

[CountFrylock]

Like Batman’s fought corrupt business men numerous times 

How do you avoid mentioning that?

Superman is for truth and justice not  whatever trump supporters believe 

Wonder Woman is the character trump fans would understand the least 

[matrixman124]

10 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

Like Batman’s fought corrupt business men numerous times 

How do you avoid mentioning that?

Superman is for truth and justice not  whatever trump supporters believe 

Wonder Woman is the character trump fans would understand the least 

Just watch WB try it and report their lowest sales ever

[molarbear]

46 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

Like the problem is that you had legacy media outlets basically not challenging GOP propaganda. They would literally just present it to the population in the interest of being Unbiased when really it was because they didn't want to piss off the GOP

The owners and editorial boards of all these publications should be fired. Legacy media as an institution deserves to burn.

They've allowed themselves to launder misinformation to a clearly media illiterate population. They've failed to inform the public and they deserve to crumble

And Elon should not have been allowed to turn Twitter into the cesspool that it is because really it was how a lot of this shit got filtered into the legacy media's purview

I mean, at this point it's a known tactic that works for their side. They literally have an entire fake news network working for them who got sued into oblivion, by Dominion... and they let them settle instead of forcing them to admit their entire network is a fucking lie.

And then we have the debates... where once again they claim both candidates will be muted if they go over time, or speak out of turn. Wtf did Trump and Vance do? Go off on Migrants supposedly eating cats and dogs, both were fact checked, but both were allowed to continue speaking afterward. I get tired of hearing this "it will be fair" when It's one party always breaking the rules and, when the other party finally attempts to respond the network is like "Ok... now mute both of them." 

While I'm on a political rant, I need to get this off my chest and it's not directed at anyone here...

If I see one more person in my state complain on reddit about how difficult it was to vote, I'm going to lose my shit. If there is one thing my state does well, it's make it easy to vote. I have done mail in voting for years now, and while you do have to get it notarized, that's it. After you fill out your ballot, and put in a privacy envelope, you take it to a notary, who checks your ID and watches you sign it, and then signs it themselves while logging it in their little notary book. Then you put it in an even larger envelope (provided to you) and you put a stamp on it, and mail it.

People are like "Where do you even find a notary????" I dunno, I feel like if you were able to go through the process of getting setup for mail in voting... you should be fully capable of googling "notaries near me". Why does this anger oh so much? Because, we had 1.4 million people not vote in my county. These complaints are very similar to the same shit people said two years ago when we voted on recreational weed and no one could believe it did not pass, even though voter turnout was literally like 12% of the state.

Having a month to get your ballot notarized is not voter suppression, it is at the minimum an IQ test on whether or not you should be able to exist as a human and not immediately turned into soylent green to better feed impoverished people of the nation

 

[Sodakandy]

I honestly don't think we need presidents anyway. Voting your party as congressman, council, etc. and voting for your local is what I mostly focus on during elections.

[CountFrylock]

24 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

Just watch WB try it and report their lowest sales ever

Eh I’m not so sure about that 

[Top Gun]

1 hour ago, molarbear said:

If I see one more person in my state complain on reddit about how difficult it was to vote, I'm going to lose my shit. If there is one thing my state does well, it's make it easy to vote. I have done mail in voting for years now, and while you do have to get it notarized, that's it. After you fill out your ballot, and put in a privacy envelope, you take it to a notary, who checks your ID and watches you sign it, and then signs it themselves while logging it in their little notary book. Then you put it in an even larger envelope (provided to you) and you put a stamp on it, and mail it.

People are like "Where do you even find a notary????" I dunno, I feel like if you were able to go through the process of getting setup for mail in voting... you should be fully capable of googling "notaries near me". Why does this anger oh so much? Because, we had 1.4 million people not vote in my county. These complaints are very similar to the same shit people said two years ago when we voted on recreational weed and no one could believe it did not pass, even though voter turnout was literally like 12% of the state.

Having a month to get your ballot notarized is not voter suppression, it is at the minimum an IQ test on whether or not you should be able to exist as a human and not immediately turned into soylent green to better feed impoverished people of the nation

 

I'm sorry, but needing to go to a notary to vote by mail seems absolutely insane. In PA I can just sign it and mail it from home, and that's that.

[molarbear]

19 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

I'm sorry, but needing to go to a notary to vote by mail seems absolutely insane. In PA I can just sign it and mail it from home, and that's that.

That's fine. It was that way during covid, after they quickly added the notary part (IRRC)

It really doesn't bother me though. Banks, lawyers, paralegals, all do it. They also cannot charge since it's a ballot.

Also, it's not like it's a surprise that is dropped on you out of the blue. They tell you that when you sign up for the ballot now, it's also printed in huge bold letters when you open the instructions

I for one, am grateful I do not have to go stand in a line, in a crowded building, on election day.

That is just something I hate doing.. any day though

 

[Jman]

5 hours ago, CountFrylock said:

Saw someone who actually thinks comic book publishers will avoid progressive stories moving forward and try to avoid annoying trump/maga

So no more “woke”

 

No, the media is going to double and triple down on progressive stories.  Because that is how they normalize people.  By making them a normal part of stories.

[CountFrylock]

This was in response to the mark waid message 

 

Edited November 8 by CountFrylock

[Insipid]

7 hours ago, Belize said:

I don't know. Sounds like dumb populism. No offense. 

But maybe you're right. It's not a hill I want to fight over.

Dumb populism is exactly how Trump got elected. It works. Many of these celebrities talk about social issues, but almost all of them can never relate to working class struggles. Promoting a personal rags to riches story just makes a stronger case for Republicans, which is where these celebrities belong anyway. Many of them hate to pay their taxes.

[_lost_username_]

5 hours ago, Sodakandy said:

I honestly don't think we need presidents anyway. Voting your party as congressman, council, etc. and voting for your local is what I mostly focus on during elections.

Unless we get a new constitution or the US totally falls apart, we’re pretty much stuck with what we have.

I don’t think having an executive branch is the problem, I think we just have gotten to a point where presidents can be unchecked. I think Bush II was the real breaking point when the executive was handed so much power after 9/11.

I think Germany and Switzerland have two of the best systems when it comes to the executive branches of their government. I think a future government of some sort could combine the two in a way. 

[CountFrylock]

Kamala put far more effort into her campaign than trump and had far more money supporting the campaign yet he won in a landslide 

after he made numerous comments about not needing anyone’s votes that he’s got more than enough. 
Nobody’s mentioning how weird that was 

[_lost_username_]

There is a lot of people who keep talking about Democrats being “annihilated” and “finished” but the deficit with the GOP was much greater in the first half of the 00s. Remember 2006 and 2008 where Republicans were decimated to the point where people thought they’d be a permanent minority.

Sure, the media environment is different but hard times and disorder always sink in with most people. Biden didn’t have disorder but his poor communication skills and the sidelining of Harris through much of his term allowed that perception to grow. I think the Democrats will learn that lesson about communicating the narrative next time.

[matrixman124]

10 minutes ago, _lost_username_ said:

There is a lot of people who keep talking about Democrats being “annihilated” and “finished” but the deficit with the GOP was much greater in the first half of the 00s. Remember 2006 and 2008 where Republicans were decimated to the point where people thought they’d be a permanent minority.

Sure, the media environment is different but hard times and disorder always sink in with most people. Biden didn’t have disorder but his poor communication skills and the sidelining of Harris through much of his term allowed that perception to grow. I think the Democrats will learn that lesson about communicating the narrative next time.

They need the media environment to change for them to do that

[Jman]

Just now, matrixman124 said:

They need the media environment to change for them to do that

Well, they got two years to get on it.  Influencers, state and local regulations on misinformation (you wanna get Trump supports on board?  Call it a war on Fake News, and push equal time and fact checking hard.  They’ll eat it up at first).  Restore trust.

[_lost_username_]

13 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

They need the media environment to change for them to do that

I’m not sure if it is as much as the media environment as it is Trump. If he has one skill, it’s his ability to manipulate the media and getting people to buy into what he’s selling. I don’t think any other Republican can do that because they don’t have his charisma. When he’s no longer a factor, you have a bunch of unlikeable people who sound like politicians whose ideas are shit. 
 

The current media environment is built around Trump — right, left and legacy. All bets are off when he is no longer there.

[matrixman124]

6 minutes ago, _lost_username_ said:

I’m not sure if it is as much as the media environment as it is Trump. If he has one skill, it’s his ability to manipulate the media and getting people to buy into what he’s selling. I don’t think any other Republican can do that because they don’t have his charisma. When he’s no longer a factor, you have a bunch of unlikeable people who sound like politicians whose ideas are shit. 
 

The current media environment is built around Trump — right, left and legacy. All bets are off when he is no longer there.

Twitter, Daily Wire, Joe Rogans podcast, wtc

They are laundering Trump's bullshit propaganda and they are going to gladly do the same with Trumpists that follow him

Christopher Rufo single handedly started the anti-woke misinfo campaign on Twitter and the right wing media followed his lead. No Trump needed

[Insipid]

Again, celebrities need to permanently shut the fuck up with their shit takes. White people moved more to Harris while non white people moved more to Trump.

Edited November 8 by Insipid

[_lost_username_]

7 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

Twitter, Daily Wire, Joe Rogans podcast, wtc

They are laundering Trump's bullshit propaganda and they are going to gladly do the same with Trumpists that follow him

Christopher Rufo single handedly started the anti-woke misinfo campaign on Twitter and the right wing media followed his lead. No Trump needed

You’re saying no Trump needed but everything you said goes back to Trump. He is the one who is at the heart of the woke harping and conspiracy theories because he pushes them nonstop and the people who follow tune into these other media sources to compliment what they get from Trump, not vice versa. 

There is no one that matches Trump. Not Rogan, not Shapiro and not even Carlson. Without Trump, the heart of Trumpism dies. Others tried to move in and become that after he left office and not even DeSantis came within spitting distance.

Without Trump, the rightwing media system will fracture and most of it will likely die. The majority of his followers are not ideologues, they are cult members. Without their leader, cults usually die pretty quickly. 

[matrixman124]

2 minutes ago, _lost_username_ said:

You’re saying no Trump needed but everything you said goes back to Trump. He is the one who is at the heart of the woke harping and conspiracy theories because he pushes them nonstop and the people who follow tune into these other media sources to compliment what they get from Trump, not vice versa. 

There is no one that matches Trump. Not Rogan, not Shapiro and not even Carlson. Without Trump, the heart of Trumpism dies. Others tried to move in and become that after he left office and not even DeSantis came within spitting distance.

Without Trump, the rightwing media system will fracture and most of it will likely die. The majority of his followers are not ideologues, they are cult members. Without their leader, cults usually die pretty quickly. 

All I'm saying is that Critical Race Theory being demonized, Libs of Tik Tok taking off, Candace Owens having one of the biggest podcasts online. That all happened without Trump directly intervening. These clowns all should have been shut down as hacks and not amplified but that is what happened

[CountFrylock]

So is it safe to assume the majority of Americans love trump?

im still finding that hard to believe 

[1pooh4u]

I know it’s too soon but a little “heh that’s a little funny” is good for the soul sometimes 

From The Onion

[1pooh4u]

3 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

So is it safe to assume the majority of Americans love trump?

im still finding that hard to believe 

No they just hate women immigrants and the LBGTQ+ community more. They’ll remember why he wasn’t re-elected by May of 25 and they can just go suck it  whenever that happens 

[Insipid]

8 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

So is it safe to assume the majority of Americans love trump?

im still finding that hard to believe 

I'd say 40ish percent do. There is a sizeable amount of Americans who feel nothing will change for them regardless of who is president, and that proportion probably has increased after this election.

Edited November 8 by Insipid

[1pooh4u]

Also the problem is democrats and the more left should listen to people when they say they don’t like something. Example, I been learning Spanish for a few years (no i am not fluent) and in every single Spanish learning language group I am in the people hated being called LatinX but AOC insisted on saying it and everyone was like “well if the Puerto Rican woman said it’s ok…” no they hated the term so much and were offended by it. Most felt like North Americans (US Specifically) was trying to tell them how to speak and demonizing their language because words have gender.  They absolutely hated it. 
Another thing is people keep saying Latino as a race but it’s not. In many countries they have White/Black/ Indigenous racial dynamics and it comes with all the awful stuff or most of it like anything else 

We also need to stop accusing everyone of being sexist racist and homophobic because it’s not working. Trump and Musk are born from that shit. Idk what the alternative is but shit gotta change or democrats won’t win another election. They also gotta go on more social media shows or podcasts or wtf the kids call them

well that’s a part of my long winded uneducated take on A COUPLE of reasons why we are here. 

[matrixman124]

6 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Also the problem is democrats and the more left should listen to people when they say they don’t like something. Example, I been learning Spanish for a few years (no i am not fluent) and in every single Spanish learning language group I am in the people hated being called LatinX but AOC insisted on saying it and everyone was like “well if the Puerto Rican woman said it’s ok…” no they hated the term so much and were offended by it. Most felt like North Americans (US Specifically) was trying to tell them how to speak and demonizing their language because words have gender.  They absolutely hated it. 
Another thing is people keep saying Latino as a race but it’s not. In many countries they have White/Black/ Indigenous racial dynamics and it comes with all the awful stuff or most of it like anything else 

We also need to stop accusing everyone of being sexist racist and homophobic because it’s not working. Trump and Musk are born from that shit. Idk what the alternative is but shit gotta change or democrats won’t win another election. They also gotta go on more social media shows or podcasts or wtf the kids call them

well that’s a part of my long winded uneducated take on A COUPLE of reasons why we are here. 

My wife hates being called LatinX too

[1pooh4u]

5 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

My wife hates being called LatinX too

I’m not even surprised.  I thought maybe I was finding outlier groups but after the 4th and 5th one I was like, nope, majority must really hate it. 

[matrixman124]

Just now, 1pooh4u said:

I’m not even surprised.  I thought maybe I was finding outlier groups but after the 4th and 5th one I was like, nope, majority must really hate it. 

There are some folks okay with it but it literally makes no sense when Latino covers all genders

[CountFrylock]

Problem is If you vote trump for any reason 

you are basically saying you are fine with criminals running the country 

you are fine with somebody lying about foreigners wanting to eat your pets 

and you are fine with somebody that wants to threaten and kill anyone who makes jokes about him 

that’s not American that’s not human that’s downright monstrous 

[matrixman124]

1 minute ago, CountFrylock said:

Problem is If you vote trump for any reason 

you are basically saying you are fine with criminals running the country 

you are fine with somebody lying about foreigners wanting to eat your pets 

and you are fine with somebody that wants to threaten and kill anyone who makes jokes about him 

that’s not American that’s not human that’s downright monstrous 

A lot of people didn't vote. The Democrats need to think about why they didn't vote.

[CountFrylock]

4 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

A lot of people didn't vote. The Democrats need to think about why they didn't vote.

If people rather be thrown into a dystopian hellhole run by the MAGA elites than actually vote 

I don’t think there’s anything the democrats could have done to convince them to vote 

they knew what was at stake and said.  “Eh not good enough reason for me to vote”

Hope they enjoy what trump has planned for them 

 

Edited November 8 by CountFrylock

[1pooh4u]

7 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

There are some folks okay with it but it literally makes no sense when Latino covers all genders

I think there’s a fundamental misunderstanding of how the language works. From what I was seeing on these groups it really was insulting. I didn’t see many saying “it doesn’t bother me” 

[Jman]

6 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

My wife hates being called LatinX too

So does my entire family, myself included.  My Puerto Rican mother, Ecuadorian father, and my brother all think it’s dumb.

Focusing on shit like that instead of standard of living, getting people into homes, being pricks about blaming the GOP for not letting them get into homes is what screwed them.  And when egg prices double with increased chances of bird flu, they’ll have the opportunity again, but only if they learn and aren’t dumbfucks playing the everyone is racist card.

[Insipid]

Utah, a state full of white Mormons, is the only state that shifted slightly to the left. Every other state shifted more to the right.

Oh, the irony.

[1pooh4u]

9 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

Problem is If you vote trump for any reason 

you are basically saying you are fine with criminals running the country 

you are fine with somebody lying about foreigners wanting to eat your pets 

and you are fine with somebody that wants to threaten and kill anyone who makes jokes about him 

that’s not American that’s not human that’s downright monstrous 

I agree. I’m very disappointed in these results especially since he took the popular vote as well. More importantly I fully expect to lose some drug assistance payments I get if Musk pulls the plug on any of those programs. My only hope is NYS will pick up the slack or I’ll have to pay a copay. That or beg the drug company to please give me the medication for free/lowcost 

[_lost_username_]

1 hour ago, matrixman124 said:

All I'm saying is that Critical Race Theory being demonized, Libs of Tik Tok taking off, Candace Owens having one of the biggest podcasts online. That all happened without Trump directly intervening. These clowns all should have been shut down as hacks and not amplified but that is what happened

Trump is the one that amplifies them. He gives them access and they carry his water. DEI, transphobia and whatever they’re harping on now aren’t going to be what people are worried about in the near future. Their shelf life expires for the majority.

Plus, people get bored fast when the rage is gone.

[1pooh4u]

12 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

A lot of people didn't vote. The Democrats need to think about why they didn't vote.

They probably won’t though it seems to me they give into the dumb things the left wants (like saying LatinX)and none of their policies really get support.  Doesn’t matter if it’s a popular policy they rather stick to the culture war shit that apparently helps no one. 

[matrixman124]

4 minutes ago, _lost_username_ said:

Trump is the one that amplifies them. He gives them access and they carry his water. DEI, transphobia and whatever they’re harping on now aren’t going to be what people are worried about in the near future. Their shelf life expires for the majority.

Plus, people get bored fast when the rage is gone.

There's a lucrative industry in stoking the rage.

The Democrats need to find a way to make life easier for people so they aren't as susceptible.

Like gasp social welfare and progressive policies to add more healthcare and housing options for people wowee

[matrixman124]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

They probably won’t though it seems to me they give into the dumb things the left wants (like saying LatinX)and none of their policies really get support.  Doesn’t matter if it’s a popular policy they rather stick to the culture war shit that apparently helps no one. 

The problem is that there's not a lot of unity on the anti-Trump things. The Democrats courting the Bush era neocons didn't help either. The Dems need the left

[Jman]

6 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

There's a lucrative industry in stoking the rage.

The Democrats need to find a way to make life easier for people so they aren't as susceptible.

Like gasp social welfare and progressive policies to add more healthcare and housing options for people wowee

Or at the very least, generate rage over things that matter.

”While Republicans got you mad about gays in Star Wars, they reduced your access to healthcare.  While Republicans made you worry about content in video games, they caused prices of appliances to quadruple.  And while Republicans made you upset about comic book characters being replaced, grocery prices tripled with far less oversight, making you sicker.  So what are you going to do about it?”

At the same time, it might be advantageous to allow more boobs in games, more positive male action heroes, etc.  Worked for Bill.

Edited November 8 by Jman

[1pooh4u]

1 minute ago, matrixman124 said:

The problem is that there's not a lot of unity on the anti-Trump things. The Democrats courting the Bush era neocons didn't help either. The Dems need the left

They keep refusing to see that because they’re still courting moderate Republicans instead. Plus the fact every politician (most every) is indebted to their corporate overlords.  

[matrixman124]

2 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

They keep refusing to see that because they’re still courting moderate Republicans instead. Plus the fact every politician (most every) is indebted to their corporate overlords.  

Yep

[Jman]

 

[PenguinBoss]

13 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

They keep refusing to see that because they’re still courting moderate Republicans instead. Plus the fact every politician (most every) is indebted to their corporate overlords.  

They want to think they're different from Republicans, but assume Dem voters are loyal to a fault just because GOP is.