Bolsanero loses to Lula

[matrixman124]

The Brazilian Presidential Election ended in total failure for incumbent Trumpian president Jair Bolsanero.

[Raptorpat]

It ended in less than a 51-49 split, so I wouldn't describe it as a total failure. Has he alleged fraud or anything yet?

Edit: actually according to the NYT, it was the "narrowest presidential election in the 34 years of Brazil’s modern democracy. Mr. da Silva won by 2.1 million votes, or 1.8 percentage points, in an election where more than 118 million Brazilians voted."

Edited October 31, 2022 by Raptorpat

[scoobdog]

43 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

It ended in less than a 51-49 split, so I wouldn't describe it as a total failure. Has he alleged fraud or anything yet?

Edit: actually according to the NYT, it was the "narrowest presidential election in the 34 years of Brazil’s modern democracy. Mr. da Silva won by 2.1 million votes, or 1.8 percentage points, in an election where more than 118 million Brazilians voted."

Was going to say the same thing.  It wasn't a total failure by any stretch given how much havoc Bolsanero and his supporters can wreck with the DT handbook as a guide for destabilizing the country.  Also, although it isn't likely, Bolsanero's strong connection to Brazil's military establishment is concerning given the situation.

[1pooh4u]

Idt Bolsanero is going anywhere he doesn’t seem like the type of guy that’s gonna say “oh well I lost time to move on”  they were showing people praying in the street for Bolsanero reminded me of Trump shit

[matrixman124]

3 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

It ended in less than a 51-49 split, so I wouldn't describe it as a total failure. Has he alleged fraud or anything yet?

Edit: actually according to the NYT, it was the "narrowest presidential election in the 34 years of Brazil’s modern democracy. Mr. da Silva won by 2.1 million votes, or 1.8 percentage points, in an election where more than 118 million Brazilians voted."

It's kind of a testament to how much people wanted him out. Despite everything he threw at the process, he still lost. And I would say that Trump had a lot less power over the election process in 2020 than Bolsanero did now.

 

 

[scoobdog]

6 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

It's kind of a testament to how much people wanted him out. Despite everything he threw at the process, he still lost. And I would say that Trump had a lot less power over the election process in 2020 than Bolsanero did now.

Trump also lost by significantly more and still found a way to not lose his support base.

[matrixman124]

1 minute ago, scoobdog said:

Trump also lost by significantly more and still found a way to not lose his support base.

Yeah I would see it's proportional to base devotion and amount of election control.

[scoobdog]

5 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

Yeah I would see it's proportional to base devotion and amount of election control.

Election control has nothing to do with it, unless you're actually running a sham election of course.  Trump's wasn't going to "fail" at the election itself because he made an active decision to litigate it after the fact instead of aggressively campaigning (thus explaining his questionable campaign decisions).  It speaks not to just his quest for unrevocable power but also his desire to become the Republican establishment itself.  Similarly, Bolsanaro is showing some clear signs that he's fueling his base rather than trying to garner support from both sides, and the fact he isn't saying anything after the election is not a good sign.

[Raptorpat]

Time to reiterate that Trump only lost the 2020 election by like 45,000 votes spread across three states.

[matrixman124]

2 hours ago, scoobdog said:

Election control has nothing to do with it, unless you're actually running a sham election of course.  Trump's wasn't going to "fail" at the election itself because he made an active decision to litigate it after the fact instead of aggressively campaigning (thus explaining his questionable campaign decisions).  It speaks not to just his quest for unrevocable power but also his desire to become the Republican establishment itself.  Similarly, Bolsanaro is showing some clear signs that he's fueling his base rather than trying to garner support from both sides, and the fact he isn't saying anything after the election is not a good sign.

Bolsanero actively had police obstruct voters. Trump didn't have that kind of power. That's what I mean.

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, matrixman124 said:

Bolsanero actively had police obstruct voters. Trump didn't have that kind of power. That's what I mean.

I know what you mean.  It still doesn't amount to much unless you tamper with the votes themselves, for which you could argue there was a total failure only because the fixer wasn't able to control the mechanism for fixing the election.  This is that it isn't a total failure like you said in the OP because he hasn't lost his political base, and how much control either had over the election itself is irrelevant to that point.

[Top Gun]

4 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

Time to reiterate that Trump only lost the 2020 election by like 45,000 votes spread across three states.

Yes, because we use a completely ass-backwards slavery-enabling system to elect our most important office.

[Raptorpat]

It makes sense in the absolute abstract, the semi-sovereign states were electing their union's president. But post-Civil War, it's not really the same fundamental relationship anymore, and that's why it's so back-asswards.

[Raptorpat]

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BRASILIA, Brazil — Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro on Tuesday did not concede the election he lost to leftist Lula da Silva in a brief speech that marked his first comments since results were released two days ago.

But afterward, Chief-of-Staff Ciro Nogueira told reporters that Bolsonaro has authorized him to begin the transition process.

Bolsonaro’s address didn’t mention election results, but he said he will continue to follow the rules of the nation’s constitution.

“I have always been labeled as anti-democratic and, unlike my accusers, I have always played within the four lines of the constitution,” Bolsonaro, flanked by more than a dozen ministers and allies, told reporters in the official residence.

Bolsonaro lost Sunday’s race by a thin margin, garnering 49.1% of the vote to da Silva’s 50.9%, according to the nation’s electoral authority. It was the tightest presidential race since Brazil’s return to democracy in 1985 and marks the first time Bolsonaro has lost an election in his 34-year political career, including seven races for a seat in Congress’ Lower House.

Much like former U.S. President Donald Trump, whom Bolsonaro openly admires, the far-right incumbent has repeatedly questioned the reliability of the country’s electoral system, claiming electronic voting machines are prone to fraud. He never provided any proof, even when ordered to do so by the electoral court.

That has led many political analysts to warn that Bolsonaro appeared to be laying the groundwork to reject election results.

In recent days, and without a public statement from Bolsonaro, truck drivers and other supporters of his blocked hundreds of roads across the country. Many said the election had been fraudulent and some called for military intervention and for Congress and the Supreme Court to be disbanded.

Earlier Tuesday, Brazil’s Supreme Court ordered the federal highway police to immediately clear the roads.

A majority of the court’s justices backed the decision, which accuses the highway police of “omission and inertia.” Failure to comply will mean its director can be fined up to 100,000 reais (more than $19,000) per hour, be removed from his duties and even face arrest. Federal prosecutors in Sao Paulo and Goias states said they had opened investigations into the blockades.

By noon Tuesday, highway police said they had removed 306 blockades, but more than 260 were still in place.

“There is no doubt that, even though he might not be directly responsible for these actions, everything he has done as president stoked this, especially questioning the electoral process and the ballots,” said Williams Gonçalves, a political science professor at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro.

“Bolsonaro is completely isolated. Everyone responsible for other institutions has already recognized the election’s results,” Gonçalves said.

In Sao Paulo — Brazil’s most populous state and largest economy — traffic jams around the international airport led to dozens of flight cancellations, with videos on social media showing travelers rolling their suitcases along the highway in the dark trying to catch their flights. The highways had been cleared by Tuesday morning, but airport officials said access remained difficult as traffic was still backed up in and out of the airport.

There, Dalmir Almeida, a 38-year-old protester, told The Associated Press that after completing three days of strikes, he and others will drive their trucks to the military barracks to ask for their support. “The army will be in our favor,” he added.

At another road block in Sao Paulo state, protesters set tires on fire. Several demonstrators were wrapped in the Brazilian flag, which has been co-opted by the nation’s conservative movement for demonstrations. Huge lines of cars could be seen snaking along the highway.

Fears of escalation grew as the country’s leftist Landless Workers’ Movement, a key ally of da Silva’s that has long staged occupations of what it considers vacant or unused lands, asked its militants on Tuesday to organize demonstrations in several states to unblock roads.

Sao Paulo Gov. Rodrigo Garcia told a news conference that the time for negotiations was over, and he was not ruling out the use of force by law enforcement.

“From now on, we are going to apply what the (Supreme Court) decision determined, starting with fines of 100,000 reais per hour for each vehicle that is contributing to this obstruction,” he said.

In Minas Gerais, a key battleground state in the election, a video on social media showed a protester telling a reporter from the O Tempo news outlet that the election was “fraudulent” and warned of future protests. “We won’t stop as long as we don’t have a response from our president,” he said. “We want Bolsonaro in 2023 and for the years to come.”

In Itaborai, a region in Rio de Janeiro state, an Associated Press reporter saw truck drivers kneeling in front of police officers and refusing to evacuate.

Users on social media, including in multiple Telegram and WhatsApp chat groups with names like “Paralysation,” shared demands that the military take the streets, or that Congress and the Supreme Court be disbanded and the president remain in office.

Following the election, the electoral authority blocked two dozen Telegram groups that defended a military coup and called on their more than 150,000 followers to organize demonstrations, according to online news site UOL.

The Supreme Court’s decision on Tuesday permits regular state police forces to reinforce federal highway police, and the governors of Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo states ordered them to deploy, news outlets reported. The same was done in 2018, when an 11-day trucker strike brought Brazil to a halt.

Bolsonaro commands wide support from the police forces’ rank and file, however, and it wasn’t clear how effective their involvement would be. Da Silva’s Workers’ Party had accused Bolsonaro’s campaign of deploying law enforcement to create traffic jams and deter people from voting on Election Day, and video footage shared on social media showed officials stopping buses.

Alexandre de Moraes, who presides over the the nation’s electoral authority, said police checkpoints delayed voters, but didn’t stop them from reaching the polls.

The 2018 stoppage caused food prices to spike and left supermarket shelves without products as gas stations ran out of fuel. It caused billions in losses and revealed the vast power that truckers possess, particularly when they organize through social media platforms.

Bolsonaro, a lawmaker at the time and months away from winning that year’s presidential election, was an outspoken supporter of the truckers, who are now among his constituents. This year, his administration limited interstate fuel taxes to help bring down prices and launched a financial aid program for truckers just months before the election.

On Tuesday, dozens of journalists from both national and international news outlets remained camped outside the presidential residence in the capital, Brasilia, awaiting any sign that Bolsonaro might speak about the election or the highway blockades.

“Bolsonaro’s strategy here, so far as there is one, seems to be strategic ambiguity,” said Robert Muggah, co-founder of Igarapé Institute, a Rio de Janeiro-based think tank focused on security. “He’s focused on the street, and if chaos ensues so much the better. There is a real risk that police inaction could ignite simmering tensions.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/01/bolsonaro-brazil-election-address-00064489

[1pooh4u]

So Bolsanero isn’t doing  or saying anything right now but he’s already said enough for the people to do the work for him, is that what’s happening?

[scoobdog]

50 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

So Bolsanero isn’t doing  or saying anything right now but he’s already said enough for the people to do the work for him, is that what’s happening?

Judging by the highway blockades, that is exactly what he’s doing.

[1pooh4u]

12 hours ago, scoobdog said:

Judging by the highway blockades, that is exactly what he’s doing.

He’s a smart, sly, mother fucker the people love him like how Trump is loved what has he done to earn so much admiration?  Has he made life better for the average Brazilian?

[matrixman124]

Just now, 1pooh4u said:

He’s a smart, sly, mother fucker the people love him like how Trump is loved what has he done to earn so much admiration?  Has he made life better for the average Brazilian?

It doesn't really matter as long as he's perceived as helping the country. It's a cult of personality just like with Trump.

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, 1pooh4u said:

He’s a smart, sly, mother fucker the people love him like how Trump is loved what has he done to earn so much admiration?  Has he made life better for the average Brazilian?

Obviously, he hasn’t made life better.  What he does for them is what anyone with a cult of personality does, including Elon Musk:  he tells people things they want to hear, he makes a certain group of people believe he thinks like they do.

[scoobdog]

Interesting that @Ginguyfeels the need to downvote the OP for celebrating he loss of a clearly bad political figure in a country he shouldn't have any particular interest in.  I wonder why?

[SwimOdin]

1 hour ago, scoobdog said:

Interesting that @Ginguyfeels the need to downvote the OP for celebrating he loss of a clearly bad political figure in a country he shouldn't have any particular interest in.  I wonder why?

Don’t kink shame him.

[matrixman124]

1 hour ago, scoobdog said:

Interesting that @Ginguyfeels the need to downvote the OP for celebrating he loss of a clearly bad political figure in a country he shouldn't have any particular interest in.  I wonder why?

I consider it a compliment.

[PenguinBoss]

1 hour ago, scoobdog said:

Interesting that @Ginguyfeels the need to downvote the OP for celebrating he loss of a clearly bad political figure in a country he shouldn't have any particular interest in.  I wonder why?

He's the only guy around here that can use gifs of black people.

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, PenguinBoss said:

He's the only guy around here that can use gifs of black people.

Those are all his "friends."

[katt_goddess]

3 hours ago, SwimOdin said:

Don’t kink shame him.

If I ever find that tattoo I designed of Bondage Tigger, I swear I'm going to start posting that for stupid downvote reactions. 

[Raptorpat]

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Bolsonaro challenges Brazil election he lost to Lula
Ricardo Brito and Carolina Pulice, Reuters

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has challenged the election he lost last month to leftist rival Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, arguing votes from some machines should be "invalidated" in a complaint that election authorities met with initial skepticism.