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I know Diddy is mostly known as a producer and entrepreneur.


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54 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said:

Did he ever have good bars? 

I mean, he went platinum.  The Suge Knight / Puff Daddy war aside, all of the top acts of the late '80s and'90s were remarkably similar in talent, in good part because they were still true successors to the original hip hop movement.  In a more authentic hip hop / rap musical space, there's no cover for bad rhythm and poorly conceived lyrics.  Just as Combs and Notorious BIG intoned with "Hypnotize", rappers have to be able to engage their audience on their own lyrical / rhythmic merits, much as any other musician would with his or her own instrument.  There's a reason why guys like Combs or Dr. Dre can have careers as a producer with the same kind of success they had as artists.  The introduction of EDM with its pop vocal overlays has somewhat helped less talented rap artists to achieve mainstreau success, so it could be argued that some of the more recent acts are not as good as their success indicates.

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3 hours ago, Chapinator_X said:

He’s a better producer than a rapper. 

No, he just didn't pursue a solo career.  He started as a producer, and that's what he stuck with.  He never really tried to devote the time and energy to a solo act.

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3 hours ago, scoobdog said:

I mean, he went platinum.  The Suge Knight / Puff Daddy war aside, all of the top acts of the late '80s and'90s were remarkably similar in talent, in good part because they were still true successors to the original hip hop movement.  In a more authentic hip hop / rap musical space, there's no cover for bad rhythm and poorly conceived lyrics.  Just as Combs and Notorious BIG intoned with "Hypnotize", rappers have to be able to engage their audience on their own lyrical / rhythmic merits, much as any other musician would with his or her own instrument.  There's a reason why guys like Combs or Dr. Dre can have careers as a producer with the same kind of success they had as artists.  The introduction of EDM with its pop vocal overlays has somewhat helped less talented rap artists to achieve mainstreau success, so it could be argued that some of the more recent acts are not as good as their success indicates.

Yeah I honestly didn't enjoy any of that suge night saga shit, but I know it was all the hype for a while. It's seems like a stretch to attribute most of diddy's success to ties from 'the original hip-hop movement' but if you mean his ties to exec producers and big entertainment that dealt with that got him where he is today I agree.  

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5 hours ago, scoobdog said:

No, he just didn't pursue a solo career.  He started as a producer, and that's what he stuck with.  He never really tried to devote the time and energy to a solo act.

I think the writing was on the wall that Diddy thrived best on collaboration, and Diddy was likely more interested in being seen as a tastemaker that had connections with the most talented artists in NYC than cut his teeth as the voice of a generation like his peers. 

It’s not a bad reputation given how his production work in Mary J. Bilge and B.I.G. is legendary. I just wouldn’t chalk up that same reputation to his lyrical prowess. 

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5 hours ago, Chapinator_X said:

I think the writing was on the wall that Diddy thrived best on collaboration, and Diddy was likely more interested in being seen as a tastemaker that had connections with the most talented artists in NYC than cut his teeth as the voice of a generation like his peers. 

It’s not a bad reputation given how his production work in Mary J. Bilge and B.I.G. is legendary. I just wouldn’t chalk up that same reputation to his lyrical prowess. 

I don't really see anything wrong with his rap.

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