Skiles Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 But honestly, as a rapper, I think he's underrated. He had bars back in the day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 All I remember him is sampling Led Zeppelin and then playing that song with Jimmy Page on SNL. Nope, I lied. I also remember his tribute to Biggy where he sampled The Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Dude swings a mean kettlebell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 In like 89 for 3 months? I'm being facetious but really did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 2 hours ago, PhilosipherStoned said: In like 89 for 3 months? I'm being facetious but really did he? Did he what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JehutyNinja Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, scoobdog said: Did he what? I'm assuming he meant "did he really have bars?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapinator_X Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 He’s a better producer than a rapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 6 hours ago, scoobdog said: Did he what? Did he ever have good bars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skiles Posted March 6, 2021 Author Share Posted March 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Chapinator_X said: He’s a better producer than a rapper. I'm not saying he wasn't. But he held his own on the mic as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 54 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said: Did he ever have good bars? I mean, he went platinum. The Suge Knight / Puff Daddy war aside, all of the top acts of the late '80s and'90s were remarkably similar in talent, in good part because they were still true successors to the original hip hop movement. In a more authentic hip hop / rap musical space, there's no cover for bad rhythm and poorly conceived lyrics. Just as Combs and Notorious BIG intoned with "Hypnotize", rappers have to be able to engage their audience on their own lyrical / rhythmic merits, much as any other musician would with his or her own instrument. There's a reason why guys like Combs or Dr. Dre can have careers as a producer with the same kind of success they had as artists. The introduction of EDM with its pop vocal overlays has somewhat helped less talented rap artists to achieve mainstreau success, so it could be argued that some of the more recent acts are not as good as their success indicates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Chapinator_X said: He’s a better producer than a rapper. No, he just didn't pursue a solo career. He started as a producer, and that's what he stuck with. He never really tried to devote the time and energy to a solo act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 3 hours ago, scoobdog said: I mean, he went platinum. The Suge Knight / Puff Daddy war aside, all of the top acts of the late '80s and'90s were remarkably similar in talent, in good part because they were still true successors to the original hip hop movement. In a more authentic hip hop / rap musical space, there's no cover for bad rhythm and poorly conceived lyrics. Just as Combs and Notorious BIG intoned with "Hypnotize", rappers have to be able to engage their audience on their own lyrical / rhythmic merits, much as any other musician would with his or her own instrument. There's a reason why guys like Combs or Dr. Dre can have careers as a producer with the same kind of success they had as artists. The introduction of EDM with its pop vocal overlays has somewhat helped less talented rap artists to achieve mainstreau success, so it could be argued that some of the more recent acts are not as good as their success indicates. Yeah I honestly didn't enjoy any of that suge night saga shit, but I know it was all the hype for a while. It's seems like a stretch to attribute most of diddy's success to ties from 'the original hip-hop movement' but if you mean his ties to exec producers and big entertainment that dealt with that got him where he is today I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapinator_X Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 5 hours ago, scoobdog said: No, he just didn't pursue a solo career. He started as a producer, and that's what he stuck with. He never really tried to devote the time and energy to a solo act. I think the writing was on the wall that Diddy thrived best on collaboration, and Diddy was likely more interested in being seen as a tastemaker that had connections with the most talented artists in NYC than cut his teeth as the voice of a generation like his peers. It’s not a bad reputation given how his production work in Mary J. Bilge and B.I.G. is legendary. I just wouldn’t chalk up that same reputation to his lyrical prowess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarPanda Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Dude is funny as an actor too, he was hilarious in Get him to the Greek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 5 hours ago, Chapinator_X said: I think the writing was on the wall that Diddy thrived best on collaboration, and Diddy was likely more interested in being seen as a tastemaker that had connections with the most talented artists in NYC than cut his teeth as the voice of a generation like his peers. It’s not a bad reputation given how his production work in Mary J. Bilge and B.I.G. is legendary. I just wouldn’t chalk up that same reputation to his lyrical prowess. I don't really see anything wrong with his rap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamped Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Sorry I was the most entertained by Diddy when he was doing Making The Band 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainyDayJizz#35 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 50 minutes ago, Vamped said: Sorry I was the most entertained by Diddy when he was doing Making The Band He was my favorite person in Get Him to the Greek. My house is gonna look like a fucking werewolf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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