sao Sword Art Online: Alicization - War Of Underworld Episode 9 Discussion!!!

[AnimationFan14]

1 minute ago, ben0119 said:

Leaving on the dragon lmao

[DangerMouse]

When has 5000 mattered to an Integrity Knight

[mochi]

Just now, CorbeauKarasu said:

eh, i would argue it was more of that macho, death = honorable, wounds = cowardice stuff

I mean yes but like.....even "hypermacho" armies understand mass casualties aren't ideal

[CorbeauKarasu]

is she gonna die? is there aother way out of this?

[DangerMouse]

What a shock, pure evil

Edited March 15, 2020 by DangerMouse

[AnimationFan14]

4 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

You removed the girl's clothes without sexualizing it.  What has happened to you, SAO?!

 

4 minutes ago, mochi said:

actually her clothes are ripped way more tastefully than Tamaki's

 

[CorbeauKarasu]

the god? or is it the priestess of light?

[saito34]

show looks great as usual

 

[CorbeauKarasu]

what. the fuck.

[ben0119]

Ronye lasted long for a girl who supposedly can't fight a single goblin.  But I guess he was playing around with her.

[mochi]

Guess Asuna is the new AURA

[3ngag3]

Well, y'all wanted Asuna.

[CorbeauKarasu]

WHAT IN THE FUCKING HELL?

 

OH JEBUS IT'S ASUNA!!!!

[The1gairon]

..... Reki's storytelling is actually old-fashioned. How come it's the WOMEN who face the wrath of a violent male villain?

[The1gairon]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT

[ben0119]

Haha trolled by GODDESS ASUNA.

He remembers her.  So this guy must have been in SAO.

[CorbeauKarasu]

THIS TWIST I LIKE.

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, THIS HAD BETTER BE THE PROGRAMMERS ON THE OUTSIDE INTERFERING BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE.

 

[Ultima]

I'll write a fanfic for that pugilist and that integrity knight. They need to procreate.

[The1gairon]

ASUNA!

[DangerMouse]

Should have killed his ass violently

Edited March 15, 2020 by DangerMouse

[CorbeauKarasu]

i' excited now, i'm a little excited.

[OSC]

Hi, Asuna The White.

[Daos]

Asuna finally got off her fine ass to do something.

[The1gairon]

Just now, CorbeauKarasu said:

i' excited now, i'm a little excited.

I-it's just SAO. It's not like I'm excited or anything! Baka!

[DangerMouse]

1 minute ago, elfie said:

..... Reki's storytelling is actually old-fashioned. How come it's the WOMEN who face the wrath of a violent male villain?

Repeatedly too. It's like every arc.

[AnimationFan14]

1 minute ago, CorbeauKarasu said:

is she gonna die? is there aother way out of this?

Does anybody have a lot of water

 

[CorbeauKarasu]

Just now, ben0119 said:

Haha trolled by GODDESS ASUNA.

He remembers her.  So this guy must have been in SAO.

alfheim.

remember, this was the group that went up against them but had to retreat because their time ran out or something.

[DangerMouse]

1 minute ago, Ultima said:

I'll write a fanfic for that pugilist and that integrity knight. They need to procreate.

It could still happen lol

[The1gairon]

Sigh.

Nothing makes me 100% happy. I see any commercial and I just think "man maybe the virus was in that filmed set" or "I bet whoever animated that has a compromised immune system in a pandemic!"

[DangerMouse]

The goddess harem

[AnimationFan14]

Just now, DangerMouse said:

It could still happen lol

Imagine how strong willed their kids would be

[The1gairon]

Next week:

CAT FIGHT ONLINE

[CorbeauKarasu]

oh, man, when the goddess stacia reveals that kirit is her husband, are they gonna think he's one of their gods?

man, this would make for a super interesting religious mythology, if their society is allowed to continue.

the husband of a god, sent down in human form to save them, becomes crippled and trapped in an unresponsive human shell, triggering  war. his divine wife descends to the ortal plane to retrieve him, aiding the ancient heroes with her power

[ben0119]

35 minutes ago, CorbeauKarasu said:

people seems to thnk these issues being brought up is just people stirring up trouble. the simple acknowledgement of them is the first step to true understanding and equality. burying it or pretending it isn't there just exacerbates and prolongs the problems that would be over already if we talked bout them seriously.

not everyone in the dark territory is evil, but that brown skin is ment to reprsent the lowr, mostly evil, demi-humans is vry telling. if you can wath sword art online and not see how terribly sexist it is, i don't know what to tell you that is this series CHIEF problem. evryone gets killed left and right, except certain people make up the group that never or almost never survives. it' not arbitrary like you thikn it is. you say it's arbitrary because it's always been shown to yu as though it's the default.

mochi can be a bit forward, but when he brings these things up, he's right. at least 90% of the time.

The problem is bringing it up at the drop of a hat when it's not warranted, makes people not take it seriously, and generates apathy for true instances of inequality.  A lot of crying wolf, if you will.

This show is pretty popular with women for supposedly being so sexist.

Except it has been shown repeatedly that a lot if not most of the people in the Dark Territory aren't bad, and that Gabriel is the main problem.  They only invaded on his orders and could have made peace if he wasn't involved.  Even then, we don't know if there was that much thought put behind it.  Maybe Reki had them look like that because he thought it looked cool.  I would tend to say they are nice looking character designs.  This whole world was also created by Kikuoka and Higa who are shown to be bad people.  So even if they put all the minorities in the Dark Territory it is just another indictment on them.

How many gay people have there really been?  Yuuki, whose whole character arc was about her dying.  She's a fan favorite character.  That random disciple of Fanatio who hadn't even had a face reveal before then and who Reki threw a backstory at the last minute to generate sympathy.

You either not have seen most of what he's said or must be misguided to believe he is 90% right on this or most of anything he says.  Easy searches debunk most of what Mochi says just on general anime information, much less serious issues like this.  He tends to have a twisted interpretation of things as well.  So couple that with the constant sky is falling mentality and it's not a surprise that a lot of people here don't take him seriously.

Edited March 15, 2020 by ben0119

[ben0119]

12 minutes ago, CorbeauKarasu said:

alfheim.

remember, this was the group that went up against them but had to retreat because their time ran out or something.

It's that same group but this guy mentioned her nickname in SAO and that guild she was part of.  So he at least was in SAO.

[ben0119]

14 minutes ago, Daos said:

Asuna finally got off her fine ass to do something.

Remember the time passes faster in this world.

[ben0119]

34 minutes ago, mochi said:

also

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they're literally called "Black lums" while the pale skinned humans are called "White Lums"

 

The white people are called white Iums but I haven't heard "black Iums" used yet.

[ben0119]

33 minutes ago, CorbeauKarasu said:

people were saying the same thing about the cloud nins in Naruto. "they're red, they're not supposed to be black".

 

like...c'mon my dude... .>_>

just because anime has a weak understanding of how brown skin is supposed to look doesn't mean that brown wasn't their intention.

Naruto and this Underworld are both fictional universes so it's likely they are meant to be fictional and/or semi-fictional races, similar to the Ishvalens.  Then you have Egil who is from the real world who has perfectly natural skin tone for a black guy, so that adds to that argument.  But some of those Naruto characters had more natural skin tone so some of them were probably meant to be black, others a fictional race.  But I didn't get the idea that village was ethnically homogeneous either.

[OwlChemist81]

4 hours ago, elfie said:

Sigh.

Nothing makes me 100% happy. I see any commercial and I just think "man maybe the virus was in that filmed set" or "I bet whoever animated that has a compromised immune system in a pandemic!"

Yeah, it's really beginning to get to me too. This is a scary new era our country is entering, and may it be as brief as possible but effective!

Can't wait for the girl-on-girl swordfight next week though!

Edited March 15, 2020 by OwlChemist81

[mochi]

On 3/14/2020 at 9:47 PM, ben0119 said:

The white people are called white Iums but I haven't heard "black Iums" used yet.

(I looked it up, supposedly that's officially what they're called)

[Daos]

On 3/15/2020 at 1:54 AM, OwlChemist81 said:

Yeah, it's really beginning to get to me too. This is a scary new era our country is entering, and may it be as brief as possible but effective!

Can't wait for the girl-on-girl swordfight next week though!

No fight. Just cake.

 

For the love of god why is it so hard to post a pic of them baking a cake? Two separate pics that worked at first have failed!

Edited March 20, 2020 by Daos

[CorbeauKarasu]

On 3/14/2020 at 11:39 PM, ben0119 said:

The problem is bringing it up at the drop of a hat when it's not warranted, makes people not take it seriously, and generates apathy for true instances of inequality.  A lot of crying wolf, if you will.

This show is pretty popular with women for supposedly being so sexist.

Except it has been shown repeatedly that a lot if not most of the people in the Dark Territory aren't bad, and that Gabriel is the main problem.  They only invaded on his orders and could have made peace if he wasn't involved.  Even then, we don't know if there was that much thought put behind it.  Maybe Reki had them look like that because he thought it looked cool.  I would tend to say they are nice looking character designs.  This whole world was also created by Kikuoka and Higa who are shown to be bad people.  So even if they put all the minorities in the Dark Territory it is just another indictment on them.

How many gay people have there really been?  Yuuki, whose whole character arc was about her dying.  She's a fan favorite character.  That random disciple of Fanatio who hadn't even had a face reveal before then and who Reki threw a backstory at the last minute to generate sympathy.

You either not have seen most of what he's said or must be misguided to believe he is 90% right on this or most of anything he says.  Easy searches debunk most of what Mochi says just on general anime information, much less serious issues like this.  He tends to have a twisted interpretation of things as well.  So couple that with the constant sky is falling mentality and it's not a surprise that a lot of people here don't take him seriously.

It is always warranted because it's literally everywhere. the kind of oppression being discussed has been baked into mainstream culture at just about every level. the attaks on the marginalized are so numerous nd varied that often times, they contradict each other, but that doesn't make them less valid. there is no crying wolf here. the sky is falling and is always falling at some level or another. that'll be the case until it isnt the case ny longer and we're a good hundred years away from that.

again, it' not about how many of the brown people are pure evil. the separating of the happy, upright world full of white people and the shadowy, underworld full of brown/dark people is indicative itself of the problem being discussed. people think of racism and bigotry only as a series of direct actions, but more thn that, it's passive assumptions and depictions that have been perpetuated so long that unaffected people see them as the default. it doesn't have to have "thought behind it" to be a proble, but until those depictions no longer come so easily, it is necessary tht a lot of thought be put into erasing them.

sexism isn't based on how many women like something. internalized sexism (like internalized racism) is a serious problem and makes up  huge chunk of what's wrong. SAO definitely is sexist. 

it' called queercoding, my dude. the number of character meant to represent gay people or so-called "gay tendencies" is much higher than the number of characters who hve been officially assigned LGBT status. but those posessing identitiies or mannerismsms that lean toward steroptypical gay behavior are consistently shown as being punished by the world for being that way. they get killed off prematurely, they don't get happy endings, or they "just happen" to be vilains who get punished. it's everywhere, if you understand what to look for. a couple token gay chracters who get to be heroes is i mean, it's something, i guess, but it's not enough. certainly not enough that people should be satisfied with it.

unless most of what mochi posts runs outside of weekly toonami episode discussions, i've seen them and he's usually right. people always get up in arms like we're asking them to shit themseles on the spot or double over in tears when these points are brought up.

all you've gotta do is say "yeah, i noticed that, too" or "ah, that didn't occur to me" no one's asking you to upend your identity when problems are called out. just quit acting like the problem isn't there. that' literally all you gotta do and things will strt to get better.

[Daos]

What in the world are you two talking about?

First of all, the happy upright world of white people was run by an immortal monster god. She had people so scared that they willingly offered up their children for execution without a fight. Like Alice's dad did.

The whole feminine looking boy thing is classic anime. You guys are mad about this now?

Step 1... don't look to SAO for good examples for race, gender or gay people.

Step 2. ..don't look to anime for good examples for race, gender or gay people.

Step 3... don't look to Japan for good examples for race, gender or gay people.

Would you look to porn for good examples of normal sexual relationships? =P

[ben0119]

On 3/18/2020 at 11:29 PM, CorbeauKarasu said:

It is always warranted because it's literally everywhere. the kind of oppression being discussed has been baked into mainstream culture at just about every level. the attaks on the marginalized are so numerous nd varied that often times, they contradict each other, but that doesn't make them less valid. there is no crying wolf here. the sky is falling and is always falling at some level or another. that'll be the case until it isnt the case ny longer and we're a good hundred years away from that.

again, it' not about how many of the brown people are pure evil. the separating of the happy, upright world full of white people and the shadowy, underworld full of brown/dark people is indicative itself of the problem being discussed. people think of racism and bigotry only as a series of direct actions, but more thn that, it's passive assumptions and depictions that have been perpetuated so long that unaffected people see them as the default. it doesn't have to have "thought behind it" to be a proble, but until those depictions no longer come so easily, it is necessary tht a lot of thought be put into erasing them.

sexism isn't based on how many women like something. internalized sexism (like internalized racism) is a serious problem and makes up  huge chunk of what's wrong. SAO definitely is sexist. 

it' called queercoding, my dude. the number of character meant to represent gay people or so-called "gay tendencies" is much higher than the number of characters who hve been officially assigned LGBT status. but those posessing identitiies or mannerismsms that lean toward steroptypical gay behavior are consistently shown as being punished by the world for being that way. they get killed off prematurely, they don't get happy endings, or they "just happen" to be vilains who get punished. it's everywhere, if you understand what to look for. a couple token gay chracters who get to be heroes is i mean, it's something, i guess, but it's not enough. certainly not enough that people should be satisfied with it.

unless most of what mochi posts runs outside of weekly toonami episode discussions, i've seen them and he's usually right. people always get up in arms like we're asking them to shit themseles on the spot or double over in tears when these points are brought up.

all you've gotta do is say "yeah, i noticed that, too" or "ah, that didn't occur to me" no one's asking you to upend your identity when problems are called out. just quit acting like the problem isn't there. that' literally all you gotta do and things will strt to get better.

See, when you talk like that it's hard to take you seriously.  There are serious cases of discrimination and not serious ones, and others are unfounded completely.  Either way, stuff we see in anime is not what I would consider serious cases.  There needs to be priorities.

Did you not watch the arc before this?  The place where the white people live is horrible too, or was, when Administrator was ruling it.

I don't agree on that.  Sure some of the characters could have been utilized better, but you could say that for anyone.  Plenty of the girls have had a lot to do and were used well.  Of course there have been bad moments, but again, that's for anybody.  I think probably the main problem is the Fairy Dance Arc specifically.  Outside of that, it is not too bad.

Okay, so what characters were supposedly queercoded.  Also, it seems hypocritical of you say such characters are "queercoded" because they have stereotypical gay characteristics.  You don't want stereotypes, but you are going to assume a character is gay or "queercoded" because they act like a stereotype, even though they may not be, and that may not be the intention.  So you aren't even following what you claim to stand for.  It really sounds like you just want an excuse to complain, because this is a major example of reaching and moving the goal posts.

Well then I guess you're just as wrong as he is.  Most people on the boards do not take Mochi seriously because he is constantly complaining about stuff that's not warranted.  Other LGBT users have also called him out on his nonsense and endless need to bitch.

I mean there have been times when such complaints have had merit.  If someone said that Leeron from Gurrenn Lagann was an offensive portrayal of a gay person, that would be hard to argue against.  And the character would probably get a much worse response if the show came out now, especially with Steve Blum doing the stereotypical voice.  But when supposedly every last little thing is somehow offensive, I can't take that seriously.

And yes, listen to what Daos said.  This is anime.  It's made in Japan.  What exactly are you expecting here?  Japan is one of the most ignorant countries out there.  I remember when people used to say that anime was so progressive.  And I'm like... how?  Because of Ranma 1/2 and Sailor Moon?  Or maybe it was because anime back then was more progressive than the American entertainment available back then?  I don't know.  Even still, complaining about it won't do you much good, because again, Japanese people and the various entertainment creators there can be pretty ignorant, and aren't likely to listen to or care what American or Western fans have to say.  Though, funny enough, Reki has heard those complaints and has promised to do better.  Which is a lot more than you get from most Japanese authors.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-01-21/sword-art-online-author-reki-kawahara-says-female-characters-should-not-be-treated-as-trophies/.142337

[ben0119]

On 3/16/2020 at 2:13 PM, mochi said:

(I looked it up, supposedly that's officially what they're called)

https://books.google.com/books?id=NPyPDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT18&lpg=PT18&dq=Sword+Art+Online+black+iums&source=bl&ots=q0R6FgfG-h&sig=ACfU3U0VAlR9QTPshikGVKjTE8k_z6iu_Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi07v-up6voAhWLbs0KHc6tAOgQ6AEwGnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Sword Art Online black iums&f=false

Well what do you know, you were actually right.  Also it looks like the books go into more detail than the anime does.  But I don't think this term has a listing on the SAO wiki haha.  Maybe that is only what they're called in the books?  Either way, I wouldn't call all of those characters black, since they don't look black.  There is already an actual black guy from the show that looks normal and has normal skin tone for a black guy, and the Dark Territory characters don't look like him.

[ben0119]

On 3/16/2020 at 7:50 PM, Daos said:

No fight. Just cake.

 

For the love of god why is it so hard to post a pic of them baking a cake? Two separate pics that worked at first have failed!

Is this the picture you were trying to post?  The error page from that site you linked says it doesn't allow hotlinking. You have terrible luck posting pics!