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42 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Wait, what!?

I'm thinking there must be errors...

https://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-ratings-for-august-10th-2024/

Where did he pull those from? When I look at the chart, I see the bad numbers. 
 

That said, I’m more willing to believe those numbers than the lower ones, especially with everything so high on the chart this week. 

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If you were hoping for Rick & Morty: The Anime to bomb, you may have gotten your wish...

 

But did Saturday night's subtitled episode of R&MTA do better?

No, but not too shabby:

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-200-cable-reruns-week-ending-26th_01243089880.html?m=1

172K/.086 18-49.

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-400-cable-shows-week-ending-26th_01602488462.html?m=1#google_vignette

#392 One Piece once again beat the other 2 with a .064, and Demon Slayer just barely made the Top 400 at #397 and it and #398 Shippuden both got .063 in 18-49.

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On 8/17/2024 at 8:10 PM, OwlChemist81 said:

Wait, what!?

I'm thinking there must be errors...

https://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-ratings-for-august-10th-2024/

That corroborates what we saw on Toonami Faithful--could SpoilerTV have been in error on 8/10?

It's possible the numbers given by SpoilerTV were actually those from the Mugen Train marathon on 8/3, and if so, as Inosuke says, "Hey, that's not half-bad!"

...hey, wait, those even look a little different from TF...

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I mean, I expected lower, so I’m slightly surprised. This was week one though, a lot of people giving it a fair shake and not just writing it off without even touching it. But I have seen nothing but complaints so far, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this week isn’t too great. 
 

As far as compared to the rest of AS this year though, it’s already underperforming. This is the “big” release of 2024 and it’s already behind Smiling Friends and MAWS, and if Spoiler TV’s numbers from last week are to be believed, it’s WAY behind Psi Cops. 
 

And on the topic of last weeks ratings and Psi Cops, Spoiler TV listed 2 episodes with very healthy numbers, where those numbers from CN Schedules are significantly lower, however they do give Toonami a bump and a much more realistic Demon Slayer number. Do we really think Demon Slayer did better this week, but barely even made the charts? Unlikely. I don’t know if we will ever get a firm correction, but I think Spoiler TV’s 117k was way off the mark. 

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That RickAniMorty encore is doing Psi Cops no favors on Sunday. Honestly not terrible for Toonami this week and a good 38k ahead of Demon Slayer and the rest but we’ll see how eps 2 and 3 hold the audience’s attention (or don’t).

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Found this pretty unflattering criticism online:

Hey everyone. No I don't have cable again, I'm just dipping in to give some thoughts.
Been watching the Rick & Morty anime as it hits HBO Max, and it is utterly lame. Between this and several other anime projects, I postulate a theory. Jason DeMarco doesn't know what makes a good anime, or rather, he doesn't understand what the public looks for in a good anime.

Am I off-base?

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9 hours ago, Greener223224 said:

Found this pretty unflattering criticism online:

 

 

No you are not.  DeMarco is the original Tumblr anime “improver” it seems, liking aesthetics but failing to understand the story while declaring tropes as “problematic” and the like.  
 

It’s clear for his love of FLCL, he failed to get why it worked.

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15 hours ago, Greener223224 said:

Found this pretty unflattering criticism online:

 

 

Long time Toonami fans have known this about him for a long time. He “loves” anime but also hates everything about anime people enjoy the most, most notably fanservice. Another problem he has is he has no idea what anime fans of the current year value. He is stuck in 1997 and refuses to leave, and then wonders why references and themes he copied from 90s anime is seen as a played out cringe by 2024 anime viewers. He is out of touch and has been for a long time. This is reflected both in his own projects and what is acquired for Toonami. 
 

It’s not just Demarco. Seems most western people who get involved with anime or anime ripoff projects make an active effort to remove all themes that actually make anime popular and replace them with western themes that can be credited for the death of western animation. And no matter what, these people perceive themselves as heroes for doing so and are baffled why all their projects fail.

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29 minutes ago, Toonamiguy321 said:

Long time Toonami fans have known this about him for a long time. He “loves” anime but also hates everything about anime people enjoy the most, most notably fanservice. Another problem he has is he has no idea what anime fans of the current year value. He is stuck in 1997 and refuses to leave, and then wonders why references and themes he copied from 90s anime is seen as a played out cringe by 2024 anime viewers. He is out of touch and has been for a long time. This is reflected both in his own projects and what is acquired for Toonami. 
 

It’s not just Demarco. Seems most western people who get involved with anime or anime ripoff projects make an active effort to remove all themes that actually make anime popular and replace them with western themes that can be credited for the death of western animation. And no matter what, these people perceive themselves as heroes for doing so and are baffled why all their projects fail.

I think, for better or worse, there’s a reason the most popular anime on Netflix are things like Baki, Kengan, and Record of Ragnarok.  Although the considerable success of shows like My Happy Marriage and Delicious in Dungeon also show there’s more than one way to be successful.

But when DeMarco gets the purse strings, we get FLCL Part 5: Jason Takes Manhattan, or a Rick and Morty anime that doesn’t appeal to anime fans or Rick and Morty fans.

They have nearly 30 years of exhibit proof as to what has consistently worked and what hasn’t worked. But that vision of a “bespoke” action block, a goal that should be an admirable one so we don’t all drown in an endless deluge of Shounen Jump adaptations, has resulted in flop after flop after flop.

Even so, DeMarco has avoided the Eye of Zaslav so far because Toonami is a niche block, but now he’s executive producing an animated Lord of the Rings film that by all rights should not exist, starring a Girlboss character so important to the lore Tolkien never even bothered to name her.  If that bombs, I don’t see DeMarco being long for Toonami, because that will be a much bigger failure.

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1 hour ago, Sketch said:

They really haven't updated the chart in weeks... This might be the end of the road for ratings reports.

There were a couple weeks in there where they didn’t update it for 2 weeks then just did two at once. We also had Labor Day this week so they didn’t do anything then. We currently have 2 nights unaccounted for. If we don’t see an update by Saturday it might be time to worry. 

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Waiting for cable ratings in 2024 be like...☠️

BUT WAIT!!

8/24/24: Not Available

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-college-football-on-abc-and-college-gameday-on-espn-begin-season-on-solid-notes/

8/31/24: Ouch! 

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-texas-michigan-on-fox-tops-all-telecasts-for-the-day/

September 7th, 2024:

Demon Slayer (Adult Swim, 12:29 AM-1:00 AM, 31 min.)

• 0.209 million viewers

• 0.12 A18-49 rating (0.156 million adults 18-49)

One Piece (Adult Swim, 1:00 AM-1:30 AM, 30 min.)

• 0.169 million viewers

• 0.10 A18-49 rating (0.132 million adults 18-49)

One Piece (Adult Swim, 1:30 AM-2:00 AM, 30 min.)

• 0.151 million viewers

• 0.08 A18-49 rating (0.105 million adults 18-49)

Not too shabby! A solid improvement!

Clear to me that a Pirate Power Hour is better for ratings than the waiting around for Shippuden effect--or maybe it's just a fluke? Guess we'll see next week!

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3 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Waiting for cable ratings in 2024 be like...☠️

BUT WAIT!!

8/24/24: Not Available

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-college-football-on-abc-and-college-gameday-on-espn-begin-season-on-solid-notes/

8/31/24: Ouch! 

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-texas-michigan-on-fox-tops-all-telecasts-for-the-day/

September 7th, 2024:

Demon Slayer (Adult Swim, 12:29 AM-1:00 AM, 31 min.)

• 0.209 million viewers

• 0.12 A18-49 rating (0.156 million adults 18-49)

One Piece (Adult Swim, 1:00 AM-1:30 AM, 30 min.)

• 0.169 million viewers

• 0.10 A18-49 rating (0.132 million adults 18-49)

One Piece (Adult Swim, 1:30 AM-2:00 AM, 30 min.)

• 0.151 million viewers

• 0.08 A18-49 rating (0.105 million adults 18-49)

Not too shabby! A solid improvement!

Clear to me that a Pirate Power Hour is better for ratings than the waiting around for Shippuden effect--or maybe it's just a fluke? Guess we'll see next week!

So after multiple years, SotB just returns from the shadow realm out of nowhere? It’s kinda funny how many times it has almost looked like ratings reports would die just for someone else to step into the role. 
 

Unfortunate that R&M isn’t being reported since that’s all most of us care about. But based on Demon Slayer, it seems to be one hell of a roller coaster. On 8/31 it held Demon Slayer down to a pitiful 100k. The following week, Demon Slayer is up to 209k. Evidence that subs are both disastrous and not a big deal. Guess we will see how other weeks pan out. Thankfully, Uzumaki is our premier, so if SotB stays in the game, we will get those numbers. 

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Spoiler TV finally updated.

The entire 12:29-1:30 AM Toonami hour (Demon Slayer/One Piece) beat R&MTA's Thursday English Dub premiere in 18-49:

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-400-cable-shows-week-ending-26th_01602488462.html?m=1#google_vignette

And this is absolutely bonkers: the highest rated airing of any of the 4 reruns of R&MTA Episode 4 was actually the 3:30 AM Thursday airing (#22), which TIED in 18-49 with Demon Slayer! And the Japanese showing actually DID beat the premiere, but LOOK WHO CRASHED the party at #186!! WTG, DUCKY! Nice sendoff for the [as] original which hopefully has cult classic potential!

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-200-cable-reruns-week-ending-26th_01243089880.html?m=1

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1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Spoiler TV finally updated.

The entire 12:29-1:30 AM Toonami hour (Demon Slayer/One Piece) beat R&MTA's Thursday English Dub premiere in 18-49:

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-400-cable-shows-week-ending-26th_01602488462.html?m=1#google_vignette

And this is absolutely bonkers: the highest rated airing of any of the 4 reruns of R&MTA Episode 4 was actually the 3:30 AM Thursday airing (#22), which TIED in 18-49 with Demon Slayer! And the Japanese showing actually DID beat the premiere, but LOOK WHO CRASHED the party at #186!! WTG, DUCKY! Nice sendoff for the [as] original which hopefully has cult classic potential!

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-200-cable-reruns-week-ending-26th_01243089880.html?m=1

It’s a good thing to have SotB back in the game since he will report Toonami premiers regardless of performance. Without him, we would have nothing at all for 8/31 because the block just did so shitty that night. 
 

Anyway, my opinion on Rick subs has changed. Demon Slayer did great last week, but with absolutely no help from Rick since DS actually gained about 30k viewers off it. Very rare for us to see spikes like that in 2024. There is definitely merit in the notion that subs aren’t good for Toonami out front. 

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The absolute state of cable television ratings...

Two American Dads and two Rick & Morty episodes were in the top 20 with the 11pm Rick and Morty at #5 for 18-49 with such low numbers as 0.144 18-49 and 246,000 viewers and that was a good 30,000 higher than anything else on Adult Swim that week. Given that, the retention from R&M at 11:30 to RATAM isn't very good and Demon Slayer cooked it, had DS been at midnight and something worthwhile was at 12:30 they might have managed 200k from 10pm till 1am, as it stands they still almost did that despite the drop at midnight. At least that week it could be argued that Adult Swim's best performing night was Saturday and that just feels bizarre. As long as the 11pm hour Rick and Morty episodes keep doing that well, there's gonna be no incentive to shift Toonami earlier.

The Rick subs aren't doing Toonami any favors currently but given all those airings of RickAniMorty charted in the top 200, its safe to say the network will be satisfied with the performance overall.

Ninja Kamui finishing out it's rerun with an episode that charts in the top 200 ain't too shabby at all. It managed to beat DBZ Kai given Kai is nowhere on this chart. Billy and Mandy squeek into the top 200 again but no sign of anything else on Checkered Past and nothing on Toonami Rewind.

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It seems we may never get the ratings for September 9th-15th, but the 16th-22nd's are here:

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-400-cable-shows-week-ending-26th_01602488462.html?m=1#google_vignette

Demon Slayer beat Rick & Morty: The Anime's Thursday Dub premiere, and neither of the One Pieces made the Top 400.

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-200-cable-reruns-week-ending-26th_01243089880.html?m=1#google_vignette

The Japanese premiere of R&MTA DID crack the Reruns Top 200!

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RATAM held on to nearly all of the viewers that were watching Rick and Morty at 11:30pm that Saturday. I know some people won't watch the dub because of the different voices (I've gotten used to them) but I still can't hardly believe the subbed airing is beating the dub airing. Though there's enough reason to believe the dub would have done better on Toonami than it is on Thursdays so that's reasonably a factor. On the other hand, this and Uzumaki might prove that subtitled anime can work on Toonami.

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Should be interesting to see where Uzumaki picks up the majority of its viewership given the positive reception.

So the rest of the year is going to be mostly in-house stuff I bet.  Rooster Fighter is either late this year, or early next year.  December we likely get Invisible Ratings Girl, which is good, because it gets to debut the same time as this.

 

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5 hours ago, Mr. Idea Box said:

And I thought being up against Hajime no Ippo was rough...

Scavenger’s Reign getting its face beaten into permanent cancelation by a show that seems more and more likely to get more seasons from Netflix in a few years is bad enough. 
 

The kids show not only having to go against a show targeting the same audience, but one on network television is going to be a massacre.

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Hey everyone, just wanted to point out that I recently got a flash of inspiration and pushed a big update (re: ported the data over from Colt Buhr's spreadsheet) for my Toonami ratings timeline. Link is in the siggy, as always. Numbers are up through the end of August, and at some point I'll start adding info about goodies and such. May Nielsen fill your cup to eternity.

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Ouch, less than 150k for Uzumaki. Seems like a very bad Saturday and Thursday RATAM actually beat every premiere on Toonami for once.

It’s doing numbers on Max so Uzumaki is fine but I wonder if the dub did better last night.

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7 minutes ago, Sketch said:

Ouch, less than 150k for Uzumaki. Seems like a very bad Saturday and Thursday RATAM actually beat every premiere on Toonami for once.

It’s doing numbers on Max so Uzumaki is fine but I wonder if the dub did better last night.

If it did, then they did Toonami no favors with this setup 

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Just now, Sketch said:

Hopefully that means they won’t just play the sub of Lazarus on Toonami.

 

Just now, Sketch said:

Hopefully that means they won’t just play the sub of Lazarus on Toonami.

I’d imagine their reasons for doing this with Uzamaki is because of the personal connection to the Japanese cast and crew and the ordeal it took to get this made 

But who knows what they’ll do now 

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Uzumaki has a pretty raw deal here playing second fiddle to a very controversial show with wildly inconsistent ratings. I have seen mostly all praise for it so far, I just don’t think people want to sit through Rick and Morty for it. 
 

October is gonna be an annoying month for ratings with all the political drivel going into overdrive which bumps all the news networks up. Barely even got the Uzumaki numbers this week. And it seems SotB stopped doing Toonami numbers as quick as he picked them back up. 

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20 hours ago, Toonamiguy321 said:

Uzumaki has a pretty raw deal here playing second fiddle to a very controversial show with wildly inconsistent ratings. I have seen mostly all praise for it so far, I just don’t think people want to sit through Rick and Morty for it. 

People would gladly sit through Rick & Morty before anything.

As long as it's not Not-Rick & Morty.

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6 minutes ago, MasqueradeOverture said:

People would gladly sit through Rick & Morty before anything.

As long as it's not Not-Rick & Morty.

This is why it’s doing numbers on Max.  People would rather watch The Penguin and Uzumaki back to back than the Toonami lineup.

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Well well WELL!!

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-400-cable-shows-week-ending-26th_01602488462.html?m=1#google_vignette

Everything improved markedly in Uzumaki's 2nd week. Sure, we're down to 3 true premieres on Toonami, but it's good to see them all in the Top 400. Uzumaki even beat the Thursday English Dub premiere of R&MTA!

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-200-cable-reruns-week-ending-26th_01243089880.html?m=1#google_vignette

And the Japanese premiere of R&M even managed to make it on the Reruns chart. Uzumaki didn't lose much from it.

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Son Of The Bronx came in clutch with an assortment of Saturday cable premiere ratings for October 12th, including Uzumaki Episode 3 (JPN), Demon Slayer, and One Piece.

It's not good, but it is kinda impressive in terms of the shows they DID beat. For example, they handed the trump rally on newsmax its ass!

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-ohio-state-oregon-on-nbc-platforms-deliver-largest-primetime-audience-for-regular-season-big-ten-game-in-16-years/

Uzumaki (Jpn) (Adult Swim, 12:30 AM-1:15 AM, 45 min.)

• 0.129 million viewers

• 0.06 A18-49 rating (0.075 million adults 18-49)

Demon Slayer (Adult Swim, 1:15 AM-1:45 AM, 30 min.)

• 0.116 million viewers

• 0.05 A18-49 rating (0.062 million adults 18-49)

One Piece (Adult Swim, 1:45 AM-2:15 AM, 30 min.)

• 0.102 million viewers

• 0.04 A18-49 rating (0.056 million adults 18-49)

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9 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

It's not good, but it is kinda impressive in terms of the shows they DID beat. For example, they handed the trump rally on newsmax its ass!

Trump rally on Newsmax - 784k

Uzumaki on Adult Swim - 129k

Smidged it out in the demo, sure. But I guarantee you Demarco would spread his cheeks if it meant pulling 784k viewers to Toonami again. 
 

Anyway, I do hope SotB can start doing this reliably week to week again. I’m sure we all want to see how IFG does, but given it premiers the same week as a certain other event, I’d wager the various news networks will completely blow out the top 400 chart on SpoilerTV. So it’s nice having that alternative source. 

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1 hour ago, Toonamiguy321 said:

Trump rally on Newsmax - 784k

Uzumaki on Adult Swim - 129k

Smidged it out in the demo, sure. But I guarantee you Demarco would spread his cheeks if it meant pulling 784k viewers to Toonami again. 
 

Anyway, I do hope SotB can start doing this reliably week to week again. I’m sure we all want to see how IFG does, but given it premiers the same week as a certain other event, I’d wager the various news networks will completely blow out the top 400 chart on SpoilerTV. So it’s nice having that alternative source. 

I have a feeling said event will still be going on the following Saturday. But I sure hope it is 

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2 hours ago, brianycpht said:

I have a feeling said event will still be going on the following Saturday. But I sure hope it is 

Oh no doubt, but it should cool off on cable a little. On 11/5 millions of people nationwide will turn on their news network of choice and just leave it on as background noise for 8-12 hours. That will inflate quite a few individual programs across the day. After the results are in though, people will return to their regularly scheduled tweets and reddit posts to be happy and/or angry. 
 

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9 hours ago, Toonamiguy321 said:

Trump rally on Newsmax - 784k

Uzumaki on Adult Swim - 129k

Smidged it out in the demo, sure. But I guarantee you Demarco would spread his cheeks if it meant pulling 784k viewers to Toonami again. 
 

Anyway, I do hope SotB can start doing this reliably week to week again. I’m sure we all want to see how IFG does, but given it premiers the same week as a certain other event, I’d wager the various news networks will completely blow out the top 400 chart on SpoilerTV. So it’s nice having that alternative source. 

Well OF COURSE I meant 18-49. Mostly old fogeys watching trump, probably. BTW, his antics have taken on a new level of stupidity lately, but I digress.

It looks like he DID at least provide the slightly better numbers for 10/5 as well:

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-mlb-division-series-begin-well-on-fox-sports-tbs-and-trutv/

Uzumaki (Jpn) (Adult Swim, 12:30 AM-1:07 AM, 37 min.)

• 0.155 million viewers

• 0.08 A18-49 rating (0.108 million adults 18-49)

Demon Slayer (Adult Swim, 1:15 AM-1:45 AM, 30 min.)

• 0.124 million viewers

• 0.06 A18-49 rating (0.086 million adults 18-49)

One Piece (Adult Swim, 1:45 AM-2:15 AM, 30 min.)

• 0.123 million viewers

• 0.07 A18-49 rating (0.094 million adults 18-49)

There is a little new information we didn't see before, especially that Uzumaki subtitled broke 100K 18-49. Not too shabby in this day and age!

If you wanna see 9/28, Toonami shows are on there, too:

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-snl-season-premiere-on-nbc-hits-4-year-high/

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Welp...

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-abc-scores-big-with-georgia-texas-and-alabama-tennessee-in-college-football/

 

Uzumaki (JPN) (Adult Swim, 12:33 AM-1:18 AM, 45 min.)

• 0.096 million viewers

• 0.05 A18-49 rating (0.065 million adults 18-49)

• 0.05 A25-54 rating (0.058 million adults 25-54)

 

Demon Slayer (Adult Swim, 1:18 AM-2:21 AM, 63 min.)

• 0.076 million viewers

• 0.04 A18-49 rating (0.049 million adults 18-49)

• 0.04 A25-54 rating (0.052 million adults 25-54)

 

The One Piece effect is real, as both shows finish in the 5-digit club in its absence, with not even 50K Adults 18-49 watching DS on Toonami. Ouch!

Demon Slayer may return to the Better Cartoon Show in 2025, but with the Hashira Training Arc already on Crunchyroll for months and hitting Netflix on Halloween, I'd keep my expectations low. Toonami/[as] may see fit to air Swordsmith Village again as late-night filler in 2025, but it remains to be seen. As critically-speaking Swordsmith is the weakest arc of the franchise and Hashira is much stronger, it might at least be the 12:30 show when its time comes, and playing leadout to Lazarus COULD serve it well.

It looks like the Subtitled Power Hour+:15 has turned out to be an appalling failure, and let's hope Toonami is never dumb enough to repeat it...

Oh, right. 🤦‍♂️

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2 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

The One Piece effect is real, as both shows finish in the 5-digit club in its absence, with not even 50K Adults 18-49 watching DS on Toonami. Ouch!

It ain’t got a thing to do with One Piece. If the Facebook page is your info source, you sat through both of these shows expecting One Piece, and only after you watched them, you realized it wasn’t airing at all. 
 

Rick finale was boring nonsense 

Uzumaki sucked sweaty balls and people were done with it

Demon Slayer wasn’t enough to pull people back after the 1.5 hours of doodoo up front. 
 

Nobody on this earth is tuning into Toonami in almost 2025 JUST for One Piece. Not one. The start of the night is always the pace setter and this week was a couple of turds. 
 

Good news is, that mess is out the window. Bad news is, we may just be replacing it with a new mess. Normally I wouldn’t put much stock in IFG, but given how bad Rick was, the bar is low enough where IFG should probably do a little better. Mashle is reliable shonen, so I’m not too worried about that doing better than Uzumaki. Beyond that though is 2 hours of reruns + One Piece. Hopefully no one has much expectations beyond the first hour of the night. 

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IFG could go either way.  It could be a surprise hit like Superman was, or it could flop hard like Unicorn.

I fully admit to my bias, but I also don’t expect the rest of the audience to make Kinnikuman comparisons.

I just know someone in that show will try a Kinniku Buster.

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32 minutes ago, Jman said:

IFG could go either way.  It could be a surprise hit like Superman was, or it could flop hard like Unicorn.

I fully admit to my bias, but I also don’t expect the rest of the audience to make Kinnikuman comparisons.

I just know someone in that show will try a Kinniku Buster.

I mean, when one of your earliest reliable creators was David Feiss, some posterior-related humor is unescapable.

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3 hours ago, Jman said:

IFG could go either way.  It could be a surprise hit like Superman was, or it could flop hard like Unicorn.

Superman had the fact that it was Superman in its corner. That helped people avert their eyes to some of its less desirable traits. Now that’s it’s not being made for CN, it may even shed some of those traits entirely in its upcoming seasons. 
 

IFG doesn’t have that going for it. Instead, in two trailers, IFG has shown the absolute worst aspect of western animation bundled into one package. That will be a big hurdle for it to get over. Episode 1 will have to be insanely good to get skeptics to give it a chance. If it just shovels 22 minutes of western slop into the viewers mouth, they won’t even stay into episode 2. 
 

You are right, you probably will be the only one comparing it to Kinnikuman. But the general audience won’t compare it to anything. They will just decide live if they think it’s sucks or not. 

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8 hours ago, Toonamiguy321 said:

Superman had the fact that it was Superman in its corner. That helped people avert their eyes to some of its less desirable traits. Now that’s it’s not being made for CN, it may even shed some of those traits entirely in its upcoming seasons. 
 

IFG doesn’t have that going for it. Instead, in two trailers, IFG has shown the absolute worst aspect of western animation bundled into one package. That will be a big hurdle for it to get over. Episode 1 will have to be insanely good to get skeptics to give it a chance. If it just shovels 22 minutes of western slop into the viewers mouth, they won’t even stay into episode 2. 
 

You are right, you probably will be the only one comparing it to Kinnikuman. But the general audience won’t compare it to anything. They will just decide live if they think it’s sucks or not. 

I admit to having a bias, and the first step to dealing with a problem is admitting you have one.  

Wrestling is a weird sell in this country since it has a very dedicated audience with a lot of crossover with animation fans, as well as an equally large contingent of viewers who dismiss it as fake bullshit.  It's why wrestling anime tends to be more serious-minded, they treat it more seriously there. 

Everything about this screams "Current Year Slop" in the worst way.  MAWS filled a hole for people who wanted a nicer Superman after years of Snyder's tortured ubermensch and a legion of Homelander clones.  This doesn't fill any gap like that.

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