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does choice exist or not?


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Free will exists only through our ignorance of reality.

The chemicals which make up ourselves and the world around us have been part of a singular chain reaction that occurs according to the laws of reality.

Taking it a step further, the existence of time disproves free will: in two minutes, do the thing you won't do in two minutes. Two minutes ago, dont do the thing you did.

Also i wish i was high; this is me at baseline. 

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7 minutes ago, mumbo13 said:

so, enforced will as opposed to free will.  so the answer would still be choice...  whether to utilize that nature or not, accept it or not, or die from it without a fight or not.

 

STILL CHOICE.

Choice only exists from an incomplete perspective of spacetime.

NO CHOICE.

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2 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

Choice only exists from an incomplete perspective of spacetime.

NO CHOICE.

top 5 Rules of  Free Will concerning inevitable natural decay 

you can speed up destruction or slow it down.

you can destroy what may or may not have been supposed to be destroyed.

you can emotionally/mentally escape/avoid or change/submit or also be influenced and changed (nature of will)

you can add/remove stimulus.

you can cause reactions.

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2 hours ago, Phillies said:

the reason I'm asking this philosophical question on a Saturday night is cause some of u guys is stoned. .

How did you know I was stoned? Are you watching me?

Choice exists in a subjective sense, and in that way it is impossible to not make a choice. Whether it exists in an objective sense of reality or not is not currently possible to know.

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7 minutes ago, QueenoftheDorks said:

Free will is a myth. There's no way I would have fucked up my life this much on my own, right?

 

 

RIGHT?????

youre thinking of spirituality in general not free will.  

thinking god intended anything to be a certain way is spiritual. 

it means who you are could be inevitable if you are ultimately one with who you are.  its a concept of oneness not free will.  then,

it is your choice, it is meant to be- and ultimately yours if oneness is your goal.

you can be free and be wrong.

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49 minutes ago, mumbo13 said:

top 5 Rules of  Free Will concerning inevitable natural decay 

you can speed up destruction or slow it down.

"Destruction" is just  a way in which we describe an aspect of the interactions of the particles around us. We have no control over it.

you can destroy what may or may not have been supposed to be destroyed.

There is no supposed to about it. Elements react with each other in  an exact manner, therefore combinations of elements interact with each other in an exact manner as determined by their composition. You "chose" to burn down a bridge because the particles within the environment alter the particles which make up your brain matter in such a way as to alter the particles which make up your hand in such a way as to alter the particles in a match in such a way as to alter the particles within the bridge. You can't break the chain of causality.

you can emotionally/mentally escape/avoid or change/submit or also be influenced and changed (nature of will)

This is nonsense: emotions are particles interacting, as are actions based on them.

you can add/remove stimulus.

This is nonsense: stimulus is particles interacting.

you can cause reactions.

Your actions are the automatic reactions of particles, as are the reactions of the actions of your particles. No choice, only Zod.

 

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6 hours ago, QueenoftheDorks said:

Free will is a myth. There's no way I would have fucked up my life this much on my own, right?

 

 

RIGHT?????

It's a comforting thought. In the same way that it's comforting to think that all our problems are insignificant because we are insignificant. Cosmic perspectives are nice like that.

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basically no. it just feels like it does. 

determinism is pretty difficult to refute. 

all actions in the physical world have physical causes, even thoughts. (which are just biochemical impulses)

there is no outside agent that causes actions or thoughts to happen. 

if you think a thing, it is because the thought arose from your biological programming (genetics etc). 

here's a handy video with examples. (what's more interesting to me is, given that free will doesn't really exist, what the fuck do we do with personal accountability? if there is no real choice, how can you blame people for doing what they were essentially programmed to do?)

 

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