OwlChemist81 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Yeah, I know. If you ask me, Toonami needs some kind of better incentive to get folks to watch the shows live, if it's competing with the likes of UFC and Live PD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 UPDATED: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-6-8-2019.html So now we know the whole lineup in total viewers: 6/8/19 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention MHA 486,000 #DIV/0! DBS (P) 630,000 129.63% AOTS3P2 413,000 65.56% TPN 361,000 87.41% SAO3 378,000 104.71% JoJo4 348,000 92.06% B. Clover 354,000 101.72% Boruto 279,000 78.81% Shippuden 265,000 94.98% H×H 268,000 101.13% AVERAGE 378,200 17th of 23 Still, better than we've seen in almost a month in terms of total viewers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 6 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: I'm assuming it's probably mostly the Fox News crowd that watches it, considering their obsession with law enforcement. Maybe I'm alt-wrong. But I personally don't find the concept all that interesting the few times I actually watched it on Friday (it's just like live Cops), and it has actually had an effect on the way law enforcement is carried out in several PDs that "star" its cops. Plus its rise as a perpetual competitor to Toonami happened about the beginning of the Trump presidency, around the time Toonami's ratings went down. Well it just sounds like you're making a generalization. If like... some prominent leader on the production or Live PD or the company owning is is alt-right, then i would be even more pissed than before that it 100% beats Toonami every single week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Blatch said: they're lower again, which always seems to happen whenever Toonami moves up the whole block. Which is ironic since 5 years ago a block always got MORE views the earlier it began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, elfie said: Which is ironic since 5 years ago a block always got MORE views the earlier it began. Well, at least MHA's total viewer audience seems to be growing fairly steadily at 10:30 PM. Just 2.5 weeks ago on 5/25, it was a mere 414K. Last week on 6/8, it was 486K. Edited June 12, 2019 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) More information: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-hallmark-movie-my-boyfriends-back-wedding-march-5-leads-cable-telecasts-in-households-and-total-viewers/ 6/8/19 - Adults 18-49 Show Viewers Retention DBZ Kai 141,000 DBS (R) 179,000 126.95% F. Guy 346,000 MHA 277,000 80.06% DBS (P) 405,000 146.21% AOTS3B 247,000 60.99% TPN 205,000 83.00% SAO3 203,000 99.02% JoJo4 198,000 97.54% B. Clover 186,000 93.94% Boruto 156,000 83.87% Shippuden 158,000 101.28% H×H 169,000 106.96% AVERAGE 220,400 18th of 23 Not the most encouraging average, but look at how quickly the gap between MHA and its Family Guy lead-in is closing! That seems to indicate to me that new MHA Season 4 just MIGHT be worthy of carrying the block without DBS premieres beginning in October or November. By my math, DBS has 17 episodes left. There probably WILL be a marathon or two, so we're talking 5 months, which is probably enough time for MHA to grow its audience. The only problem is that MHA is almost out of episodes itself, down to 11 now, which means there will be 6 weeks of normal Toonami programming with DBS but no MHA, assuming Toonami will get Season 4. I see no reason why they wouldn't, but Hulu does have "fuck you" money, and we all saw what happened with One-Punch Man and Mob Psycho 100 Season 2...or did we? While the latter pretty famously is streaming on Crunchyroll/VRV dubbed and if it comes to Toonami, will be a mere network premiere, the former isn't dubbed anywhere, perhaps because Viz is notoriously slow with its dubs, as is also evidenced by the fact that we don't have JoJo Part 5 immediately following Part 4. But still, OPM S2 could be the planned "stopgap" between MHA S3 and MHA S4. It is interesting that we already know what's replacing TPN (Gundam Origin) but we don't know what's replacing H×H, though it's out of here a week earlier. That indicates to me that the plan all along was probably not to throw a new premiere to 3 AM, and to bring back a single rerun in that timeslot. Perhaps they'll pull a One-Punch Man Episode 12 and air the Season 1 Finale of TPN twice that night, at 12 AM and 3 AM. Or Toonami just drops 3 AM and it goes back to [as]. But I digress. I believe the two shows they referred to that they can't mention were never H×H and SAO's replacements (SAO has 5 episodes left and ends 7/13), but perhaps instead were SAO and MHA's replacements? That would certainly be interesting...but given that AOT S3 Part 2 may only have a total 10 episodes, which means 7 episodes left, it's more worthy of a replacement, as opposed to the way S3 Part 1's rerun was handled. If you'll recall, it was left in the midnight timeslot directly following its premiere for a couple of weeks, but gradually pushed back over the course of its rerun to 2 AM, and then 3:30 AM in 2019. Even if reruns return following H×H, I don't see them doing anything like that in this current premieres-forward climate. Hopefully we'll get some announcements as to new shows replacing these ending-soon shows soon, perhaps at SDCC. But at this time, I think it's safe to assume the replacement for H×H is probably either a rerun or a non-Toonami [as] show. Edited June 12, 2019 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Good. Then I can fuckin go to SLEEP at 3 in the morning! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 It's only 2 in the morning for me! But sometimes I'll give earlier shows in the lineup (using a combination of the West Coast Feed and DirecTV's 90-minute rewind feature) a 2nd look before going to bed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Somethings rising, and it's not the ratings 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 It’s not the image either. Error. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Jman said: It’s not the image either. Error. Workin fine here, what browser you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) We interrupt this...well, whatever the hell that was, to bring you the ratings! Dragon Ball Super did pretty great, as always, but brace yourselves, because this is disappointing: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-6-15-2019.html Never mind the green tint; those 18-34 numbers are just plain dismal. We're talking "craptacular encore Saturday" awful here, and we don't even know them for the newest show. Lupin the 3rd: Part 5 and Boruto off the chart at #58 and #62 with a modest 236K and 242K respectively. Both shows got a 0.12 in Adults 18-49. I'm...disappointed. Live PD reruns its 9PM-12AM broadcast immediately afterward at 12AM-3AM, and we're never gonna know, but I'll bet that beats Toonami every single week that it's not a same-night rerun. The thing about cop drama is the people who watch it probably have no idea what they're watching isn't live, but happened 3 hours ago. But then again, they KNEW the Live PD that showed on 5/25 was a rerun, and [as] and Toonami beat it pretty soundly, so maybe I'm wrong. I just hope we're not reaching the point where it's becoming too expensive for Toonami to acquire shows with the ratings that it's getting. But I guess it's also possible Dragon Ball Super can act as the cash cow for the rest of the block. And it could also be that Toonami's cash cow comes from outside Toonami, as we recently got to see that an episode of Family Guy got 1.2 million on a Sunday night. See the spoiler tag below, since it pretty much has nothing to do with Toonami: Spoiler [adult swim]:Bob’s Burgers (repeat) (ADSM, 9:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.587 million viewers (#69) • 0.35 HH (#71) • 0.24 A18-49 (#39) • 0.23 A18-34 (#18) • 0.27 A25-54 (#47) Bob’s Burgers (repeat) (ADSM, 9:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.892 million viewers (#41) • 0.54 HH (#44) • 0.40 A18-49 (#8) • 0.38 A18-34 (#4) • 0.41 A25-54 (#16) American Dad (repeat) (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) • 1.034 million viewers (#26) • 0.64 HH (#30) • 0.48 A18-49 (#4) • 0.47 A18-34 (#2) • 0.47 A25-54 (#10) Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) • 1.200 million viewers (#20) • 0.73 HH (#21) • 0.56 A18-49 (#2) • 0.54 A18-34 (#1) • 0.55 A25-54 (#6) AMC: Fear The Walking Dead (AMC, 9:00 PM, 61 min.) • 1.687 million viewers (#3) • 1.06 HH (#3) • 0.51 A18-49 (#3) • 0.20 A18-34 (#23) • 0.68 A25-54 (#2) NOS4A2 (AMC, 10:01 PM, 67 min.) • 0.891 million viewers (#42) • 0.58 HH (#34) • 0.23 A18-49 (#43) • 0.11 A18-34 (#74) • 0.34 A25-54 (#29) Read more: https://programminginsider.com/sunday-final-ratings-big-little-lies-second-season-premiere-on-hbo-grows-25-percent-from-its-2017-series-premiere/ The takeaway here is that Fear beat Bob's Burgers, but AD and FG beat NOS4A2 pretty strongly. I believe once Dragon Ball Super ends, they'll run 2 episodes back-to-back from the beginning either to begin Toonami or to lead-in to it. This seemed to work wonders in Fall 2017, though one of those was a premiere. Edited June 18, 2019 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 What was their competition that night? A Tyson Fury showcase fight? This is in line with the study showing even the Japanese market embracing streaming after a much slower adoption period, and that is cutting into “destination” TV like Toonami vs “passive Tv” like the comedies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 51 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said: We interrupt this...well, whatever the hell that was, to bring you the ratings! Dragon Ball Super did pretty great, as always, but brace yourselves, because this is disappointing: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-6-15-2019.html Never mind the green tint; those 18-34 numbers are just plain dismal. We're talking "craptacular encore Saturday" awful here, and we don't even know them for the newest show. Lupin the 3rd: Part 5 and Boruto off the chart at #58 and #62 with a modest 236K and 242K respectively. Both shows got a 0.12 in Adults 18-49. I'm...disappointed. Live PD reruns its 9PM-12AM broadcast immediately afterward at 12AM-3AM, and we're never gonna know, but I'll bet that beats Toonami every single week that it's not a same-night rerun. The thing about cop drama is the people who watch it probably have no idea what they're watching isn't live, but happened 3 hours ago. But then again, they KNEW the Live PD that showed on 5/25 was a rerun, and [as] and Toonami beat it pretty soundly, so maybe I'm wrong. I just hope we're not reaching the point where it's becoming too expensive for Toonami to acquire shows with the ratings that it's getting. But I guess it's also possible Dragon Ball Super can act as the cash cow for the rest of the block. And it could also be that Toonami's cash cow comes from outside Toonami, as we recently got to see that an episode of Family Guy got 1.2 million on a Sunday night. See the spoiler tag below, since it pretty much has nothing to do with Toonami: Reveal hidden contents [adult swim]:Bob’s Burgers (repeat) (ADSM, 9:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.587 million viewers (#69) • 0.35 HH (#71) • 0.24 A18-49 (#39) • 0.23 A18-34 (#18) • 0.27 A25-54 (#47) Bob’s Burgers (repeat) (ADSM, 9:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.892 million viewers (#41) • 0.54 HH (#44) • 0.40 A18-49 (#8) • 0.38 A18-34 (#4) • 0.41 A25-54 (#16) American Dad (repeat) (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) • 1.034 million viewers (#26) • 0.64 HH (#30) • 0.48 A18-49 (#4) • 0.47 A18-34 (#2) • 0.47 A25-54 (#10) Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) • 1.200 million viewers (#20) • 0.73 HH (#21) • 0.56 A18-49 (#2) • 0.54 A18-34 (#1) • 0.55 A25-54 (#6) AMC: Fear The Walking Dead (AMC, 9:00 PM, 61 min.) • 1.687 million viewers (#3) • 1.06 HH (#3) • 0.51 A18-49 (#3) • 0.20 A18-34 (#23) • 0.68 A25-54 (#2) NOS4A2 (AMC, 10:01 PM, 67 min.) • 0.891 million viewers (#42) • 0.58 HH (#34) • 0.23 A18-49 (#43) • 0.11 A18-34 (#74) • 0.34 A25-54 (#29) Read more: https://programminginsider.com/sunday-final-ratings-big-little-lies-second-season-premiere-on-hbo-grows-25-percent-from-its-2017-series-premiere/ The takeaway here is that Fear beat Bob's Burgers, but AD and FG beat NOS4A2 pretty strongly. I believe once Dragon Ball Super ends, they'll run 2 episodes back-to-back from the beginning either to begin Toonami or to lead-in to it. This seemed to work wonders in Fall 2017, though one of those was a premiere. Well if we had that kind of lead in to Toonami we'd probably at least have Super in the 900k-1 million range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Jman said: What was their competition that night? A Tyson Fury showcase fight? This is in line with the study showing even the Japanese market embracing streaming after a much slower adoption period, and that is cutting into “destination” TV like Toonami vs “passive Tv” like the comedies. Yeah, ESPN+ is getting ALL the viewers. That said, the FEMALE 12-34 viewership was disturbingly low across the board, and they wouldn't be that into boxing, right? Young women just weren't watching Toonami at all last week, a far cry from the "girl power" days of 2015. The irony is that most of the same or similar shows are back on the block now: we've got TPN, a show that was actually aired on a Japanese block (noitaminA) with female viewers in mind, and SAO, which absolutely KILLED it 4 years ago in the young women's demo with Season II. Mix that with strong female leads (though not necessarily in this episode) in AOT and a show with potential crossover appeal (Lupin) and you've got a great recipe to bring in the young ladies in the mid-block, but they just weren't watching! It's hard to figure out exactly what they WERE watching too. Not even HALLMARK this week; Live PD and...I guess Henry Danger. Edited June 18, 2019 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, brianycpht said: Well if we had that kind of lead in to Toonami we'd probably at least have Super in the 900k-1 million range Too bad [as] is airing Rick & Morty first before their Sunday night originals, which absolutely kills their potential. Family Guy at 11 PM may reach almost 1.5M viewers, but after that, the Jellies does this: Spoiler That's even more disappointing than how AOT follows Dragon Ball Super! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said: Lupin the 3rd: Part 5 and Boruto off the chart at #58 and #62 with a modest 236K and 242K respectively. Be sure to tune in at 3 am next week.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Wait a minute. .... Live PD reruns an episode immediately after following a live NEW episode?? When did this happen?? Why did they start doing that? That is basically murder! That is calculated ratings MURDER! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Ginguy said: Be sure to tune in at 3 am next week.... I wish I was kidding, because the animation quality is absolutely outstanding, even if it kept the original style. It really felt like a theatrical quality release, which is so much nicer in comparison to other shows on the block. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 hours ago, elfie said: Wait a minute. .... Live PD reruns an episode immediately after following a live NEW episode?? When did this happen?? Why did they start doing that? That is basically murder! That is calculated ratings MURDER! Have you seen how CN treated Teen Titans GO! after realizing they hit ratings gold with it? If so then you know my answer. [don't "no i don't" me] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Clearly Demarco's boob allergy is killing the block and preventing us from getting GS and Shield Hero. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) Lupin III Part 5 sure didn't seem like a "boob-allergic" show! Its first episode had quite its share of big knockers! http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-6-15-2019.html "Adult Swim’s line-up performed as follows: DRAGON BALL at 0.31 and at 0.12/321K & 0.12/286K, compared to last week’s 0.31 and 0.11/310K & 0.14/326K, MY HERO ACADEMIA up 0.04 to 0.25/507K, ATTACK ON TITAN up 0.01 to 0.20/386K, PROMISED NEVERLAND steady at 0.16, SWORD ART ONLINE up 0.01 to 0.17, LUPIN THE 3RD at 0.12/236K, BLACK CLOVER down 0.01 to 0.13/244K, BORUTO steady at 0.12/242K, NARUTO steady at 0.12/237K, HUNTER X HUNTER steady at 0.13/243K, and GEMUSETTO MACHU PICCHU down 0.01 to 0.10/200K." MHA over 500K--now that's pretty sweet! The gap between it and DBS is closing!! Now we still don't know how Family Guy did and how much it retained from it's lead-in yet, but that alone is quite notable! Too bad for everything after DBS though... 6/15/19 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention DBZ Kai 321,000 DBS (R) 286,000 89.10% TOONAMI MHAS3 507,000 DBS (P) 610,000 120.32% AOTS3P2 386,000 63.28% TPN 329,000 85.23% SAO3 327,000 99.39% LupinPt5 236,000 72.17% B. Clover 244,000 103.39% Boruto 242,000 99.18% Shippuden 237,000 97.93% H×H 243,000 102.53% AVERAGE 336,200 22nd of 24 The first half did OK, buoyed in part by a strengthening MHA, but Lupin sank the 2nd half and things never recovered much from there, but at least the last 4 shows did keep the total viewer ratings stable! Edited June 19, 2019 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 So close to being great. Then the rest of the block had to shit the bed more than usual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) They're still acting like AOT is a huge draw. It's not. They should know better. Also, as someone who has zero interest in Lupin.... I don't understand why they keep airing it. Just for the nostalgia? It literally just got beaten by every show on the block. Edited June 19, 2019 by Daos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 6/13/2019 at 4:42 PM, Daos said: Somethings rising, and it's not the ratings Now this image has vanished for me as well. BOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 21 hours ago, Ginguy said: Be sure to tune in at 3 am next week.... Looking at the ratings, you may not be too far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Daos said: They're still acting like AOT is a huge draw. It's not. They should know better. Also, as someone who has zero interest in Lupin.... I don't understand why they keep airing it. Just for the nostalgia? It literally just got beaten by every show on the block. Oddly enough, not in a couple of key demos, as it clearly beat the Narutoverse Hour, and of course as usual post-Toonami was no match for anything during Toonami: Dragon Ball Z Kai (R) (Adult Swim, 8:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.321 million viewers [#546] • 0.12 A18-49 [#250] • 0.12 A25-54 [#389] Dragon Ball Super (R) (Adult Swim, 8:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.286 million viewers [#608] • 0.12 A18-49 [#262] • 0.11 A25-54 [#418] Rick & Morty (R) (Adult Swim, 9:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.371 million viewers [#424] • 0.17 A18-49 [#104] • 0.17 A25-54 [#194] Rick & Morty (R) (Adult Swim, 9:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.512 million viewers [#210] • 0.24 A18-49 [#21] • 0.26 A25-54 [#63] Family Guy (R) (Adult Swim, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.665 million viewers [#122] • 0.33 A18-49 [#2] • 0.33 A25-54 [#16] My Hero Academia (R) (Adult Swim, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.507 million viewers [#216] • 0.25 A18-49 [#17] • 0.25 A25-54 [#73] Dragon Ball Super (Adult Swim, 11:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.610 million viewers [#150] • 0.31 A18-49 [#5] • 0.30 A25-54 [#28] Attack on Titan (Adult Swim, 11:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.386 million viewers [#390] • 0.20 A18-49 [#51] • 0.19 A25-54 [#148] The Promised Neverland (Adult Swim, 12:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.329 million viewers [#529] • 0.16 A18-49 [#122] • 0.16 A25-54 [#233] Sword Art Online: Alicization (Adult Swim, 12:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.327 million viewers [#532] • 0.17 A18-49 [#89] • 0.16 A25-54 [#223] Lupin the 3rd: Part 5 (P) (Adult Swim, 1:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.236 million viewers [#718] • 0.12 A18-49 [#242] • 0.11 A25-54 [#450] Black Clover (R) (Adult Swim, 1:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.244 million viewers [#694] • 0.13 A18-49 [#228] • 0.11 A25-54 [#402] Boruto: Naruto Next Generations (Adult Swim, 2:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.242 million viewers [#699] • 0.12 A18-49 [#262] • 0.10 A25-54 [#481] Naruto: Shippuden (R) (Adult Swim, 2:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.237 million viewers [#715] • 0.12 A18-49 [#277] • 0.10 A25-54 [#488] Hunter X Hunter (R) (Adult Swim, 3:00 AM, 30 min.) • 0.243 million viewers [#696] • 0.13 A18-49 [#220] • 0.11 A25-54 [#463] Gemusetto Machu Picchu (R) (Adult Swim, 3:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.200 million viewers [#807] • 0.10 A18-49 [#378] • 0.08 A25-54 [#692] Ballmastrz: 9009 (R) (Adult Swim, 4:00 AM, 15 min.) • 0.180 million viewers [#861] • 0.08 A18-49 [#515] • 0.07 A25-54 [#801] Tigtone (R) (Adult Swim, 4:15 AM, 15 min.) • 0.174 million viewers [#877] • 0.08 A18-49 [#515] • 0.06 A25-54 [#877] Venture Brothers (R) (Adult Swim, 4:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.199 million viewers [#809] • 0.09 A18-49 [#420] • 0.07 A25-54 [#753] Aqua Teen Hungerforce (R) (Adult Swim, 5:00 AM, 15 min.) • 0.166 million viewers [#900] • 0.08 A18-49 [#596] • 0.05 A25-54 [#915] Aqua Teen Hungerforce (R) (Adult Swim, 5:15 AM, 15 min.) • 0.169 million viewers [#891] • 0.08 A18-49 [#565] • 0.05 A25-54 [#925] Home Movies (R) (Adult Swim, 5:30 AM, 30 min.) • 0.167 million viewers [#898] • 0.08 A18-49 [#557] • 0.06 A25-54 [#908] Read more: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-concacaf-gold-cup-match-of-cuba-mexico-on-univision-tops-all-telecasts-within-its-time-slot-among-adults-18-49-and-18-34/ 6/15/19 - Adults 18-49 Show Viewers Retention DBZ Kai 154,000 DBS (R) 154,000 100.00% TOONAMI MHA 326,000 77.07% DBS (P) 405,000 124.23% AOTS3B 255,000 62.96% TPN 208,000 81.57% SAO3 225,000 108.17% LupinPt5 158,000 70.22% B. Clover 162,000 102.53% Boruto 154,000 95.06% Shippuden 151,000 98.05% H×H 165,000 109.27% AVERAGE 220,900 18th of 24 Even if younger adults weren't watching, older adults did kinda pick up the slack, at least in the case of TPN. Which, I guess, makes sense, since TPN really is kind of an "older adult" show. But what's really bad is how badly the s(h)itcoms on Nick At Nite pretty much kicked the back half of Toonami's asses, and all but MHA and DBS lost to it badly in total viewers: Spoiler Friends 55-Race Car Bed (R) (Nick at Nite, 10:30 PM, 30 min., vs. My Hero Academia) • 0.406 million viewers [#350] • 0.16 A18-49 [#133] • 0.15 A25-54 [#243] Friends 159-Rosita Dies (R) (Nick at Nite, 11:00 PM, 35 min., vs. Dragon Ball Super) • 0.468 million viewers [#250] • 0.19 A18-49 [#65] • 0.19 A25-54 [#138] Friends 168-Chandlers Dad (R) (Nick at Nite, 11:35 PM, 35 min., vs. Attack On Titan/The Promised Neverland) • 0.456 million viewers [#275] • 0.18 A18-49 [#77] • 0.19 A25-54 [#136] All That (R) (Nick at Nite, 12:10 AM, 35 min., vs. The Promised Neverland/Sword Art Online: Alicization) • 0.347 million viewers [#495] • 0.14 A18-49 [#184] • 0.14 A25-54 [#269] Mom 108-Big Sur And Strawberry Lube (R) (Nick at Nite, 12:45 AM, 35 min., vs. Sword Art Online: Alicization/Lupin the 3rd Part 5) • 0.320 million viewers [#550] • 0.11 A18-49 [#302] • 0.13 A25-54 [#325] Mom 109-Zombies And Cobb Salad (R) (Nick at Nite, 1:20 AM, 35 min., vs. Lupin the 3rd Part 5/Black Clover) • 0.464 million viewers [#257] • 0.17 A18-49 [#97] • 0.18 A25-54 [#176] Mom 110-Belgian Waffles And Bathroom Privile (R) (Nick at Nite, 1:55 AM, 35 min., vs. Black Clover/Boruto) • 0.534 million viewers [#196] • 0.18 A18-49 [#83] • 0.19 A25-54 [#136] Mom 111-Cotton Candy And Blended Fish (R) (Nick at Nite, 2:30 AM, 35 min., vs. Naruto Shippuden/Hunter x Hunter) • 0.547 million viewers [#186] • 0.18 A18-49 [#69] • 0.20 A25-54 [#128] King Of Queens 706 – Offtrack…Bedding (R) (Nick at Nite, 3:05 AM, 34 min., vs. Hunter x Hunter) • 0.454 million viewers [#280] • 0.17 A18-49 [#112] • 0.19 A25-54 [#142] Where you see bold, that means the NAN show beat BOTH competing Toonami shows in its timeslot where applicable. Could this be where Toonami's viewers went, and if so, why?? Edited June 19, 2019 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 LOL, not a good performance for Lupin. However cynical, maybe that one guy saying it should go to 3:00 is right. On 6/19/2019 at 10:52 AM, Daos said: Also, as someone who has zero interest in Lupin.... I don't understand why they keep airing it. Just for the nostalgia? Part V was one of the most requested shows prior to its premiere. That implies a recent amount of people were watching the last series and made picking up this one financially viable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Blatch said: LOL, not a good performance for Lupin. However cynical, maybe that one guy saying it should go to 3:00 is right. Part V was one of the most requested shows prior to its premiere. That implies a recent amount of people were watching the last series and made picking up this one financially viable. Is that the same poll they use from Tumblr that showed Fairy Tail and Tokyo Ghoul as the most requested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Blatch said: LOL, not a good performance for Lupin. However cynical, maybe that one guy saying it should go to 3:00 is right. Part V was one of the most requested shows prior to its premiere. That implies a recent amount of people were watching the last series and made picking up this one financially viable. 3am is a bit late but 1:30 or 2am makes sense. Though at 3am it would get the DVR bump at least. That has done wonders for HxH lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) Ugh... http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-6-22-2019.html If we really are losing 10:30 PM, this is why! Edited June 25, 2019 by OwlChemist81 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ok going by these results, I'd wager to say that programming was probably waiting to see how things were going before making a final decision on what to do, hence no scheudle yet beyond Gundam at 3:00 So I think we have several options depending upon if they have a new show and need/want it to start July 6th OPTION 1 -Leave lineup intact, putting on a new show at 12:00. Sub in one of the Rick and Morty's for a Family Guy at 9:30 (that they aren't using somewhere else so theirs no downside). MHA continues at 10:30 and the slot is dropped after the conclusion of the season OPTION 2 -Move MHA back to midnight, reinstate the 10:00 PM Family Guy hour, wait on an additional new show for now and replace MHA when it ends. This could slide back the intended order of their premieres depending on what else they have lined up Either way, it's increasingly obvious that they need a double Family Guy lead in to the block for it to have a decent start. I don't know why they don't realize that by now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Another week, another set of ratings in the garbage. What else is new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Lack of boobs kills Toonami! You heard it here first! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Daos said: Lack of boobs kills Toonami! You heard it here first! Quinella/Administrator says "hi"! Spoiler 6/22/19 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention DBZ Kai 305,000 DBS (R) 279,000 91.48% TOONAMI MHA 424,000 DBS (P) 581,000 137.03% AOTS3P2 349,000 60.07% TPN 274,000 78.51% SAO3 286,000 104.38% LupinPt5 234,000 81.82% B. Clover 256,000 109.40% Boruto 225,000 87.89% Shippuden 210,000 93.33% H×H 189,000 90.00% AVERAGE 302,800 25th of 25💀 We're officially in the same territory as last year now, or actually even worse, not including the marathons. Actually, these total viewer numbers are just slightly better than those. Remember the "unholy megabomb" from 5 years ago that was Hellsing Ultimate X? These numbers (12-1:30 AM) are actually worse than HALF of that on average! It MUST get better from here, right??? Edited June 26, 2019 by OwlChemist81 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Daos said: Lack of boobs kills Toonami! You heard it here first! That and you know, airing materials that are either available elsewhere, or were on the market for extensive times thinking it’s still 2004 and we have no other way of watching them besides waiting till they’re on DVD and marching down to Best Buy for unreasonably expensive DVD sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 5 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: Quinella/Administrator says "hi"! Hide contents 6/22/19 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention DBZ Kai 305,000 DBS (R) 279,000 91.48% TOONAMI MHA 424,000 DBS (P) 581,000 137.03% AOTS3P2 349,000 60.07% TPN 274,000 78.51% SAO3 286,000 104.38% LupinPt5 234,000 81.82% B. Clover 256,000 109.40% Boruto 225,000 87.89% Shippuden 210,000 93.33% H×H 189,000 90.00% AVERAGE 302,800 25th of 25💀 We're officially in the same territory as last year now, not including the marathons. Actually, these total viewer numbers are just slightly better than that. Remember the "unholy megabomb" from 5 years ago that was Hellsing Ultimate X? These numbers are actually worse than HALF of that! It MUST get better from here, right??? Most of these are dub premieres! I don't understand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 A sub 200k finish for HxH, a sad end. Lupin getting decimated by Black Clover. Yeah that's pretty bad all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Daos said: A sub 200k finish for HxH, a sad end. Lupin getting decimated by Black Clover. Yeah that's pretty bad all around. Whatever. At least i won't have to hear about one of the most brilliant shows on Toonami getting 200,000 average ratings every week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, elfie said: Whatever. At least i won't have to hear about one of the most brilliant shows on Toonami getting 200,000 average ratings every week. I wouldn't be so sure. Gundam: The Origin is pretty much being delivered that fate on arrival, at least in the beginning. Then again, if the likes of SAO can't even pull 300K at 12:30 AM, I guess I don't have much faith for it premiering at Midnight, so 3 AM it is... 🤔 There was an interesting phenomenon going on here though. While 18-34s were at an all-time low in the midnight hour for a premiere block (though ironically NOT 1 AM or 2 AM), the male demographics seemingly picked up the slack markedly for nearby 12-17 and 35-49. However, maybe that's just an effect of women not watching Toonami, as they're pretty much swooned by Nick At Nite for whatever reason at this point. And we STILL don't have ProgrammingInsider's (Son of the Bronx's) take on the ratings this week! Edited June 26, 2019 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Wow, those numbers are bad. Toonami lacks a draw, a compelling reason to tune in. I'd say original programming is ultimately the key, but the only originals they have in the recent past are a pair of sequels no one wanted (or watched). Maybe the Blade Runner anime will pick things up, I think it has a chance to do so with some good appeal to a broader audience. It would have been great if they had the new SAC season, but instead we got FLCL sequels (that no one watched or wanted). There is no connection between the audience and the Toonami team. The audience is just casual and fickle, which leads to these wild ratings swings. If Toonami would work on building an connection to the audience, being active and trying to get the audience to buy in, then the ratings would slowly grow and more importantly retain the growth. Trolling people on Twitter isn't helpful, neither is ignoring them or whining. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 39 minutes ago, Ginguy said: Wow, those numbers are bad. Toonami lacks a draw, a compelling reason to tune in. I'd say original programming is ultimately the key, but the only originals they have in the recent past are a pair of sequels no one wanted (or watched). Maybe the Blade Runner anime will pick things up, I think it has a chance to do so with some good appeal to a broader audience. It would have been great if they had the new SAC season, but instead we got FLCL sequels (that no one watched or wanted). There is no connection between the audience and the Toonami team. The audience is just casual and fickle, which leads to these wild ratings swings. If Toonami would work on building an connection to the audience, being active and trying to get the audience to buy in, then the ratings would slowly grow and more importantly retain the growth. Trolling people on Twitter isn't helpful, neither is ignoring them or whining. Samurai Jack Season 5 waves and says hello. Also, those FLCL sequels "nobody watched" actually pulled a 0.42 in Adults 18-34 (Progressive), which was great for that day and age. One year later, yeah, we've pretty much got absolute shit ratings that indicate almost as few people are watching as Chiller's ill-fated Wednesday night anime block in 2015. Live PD absolutely disgusts me. Sports are also a thorn in Toonami's side, but they're fickle and they've always been there. Toonami was able to pull off great numbers against the NBA Finals and Stanley Cup in 2015 and 2016. The phenomenon of Live PD rose in 2017, which is when Toonami's ratings went down, so it's pretty clear that it's the culprit for stealing ratings from Toonami. Dragon Ball Super, and to a lesser extent MHA, remain the only real compelling "draws" Toonami has (sadly, not AOT), but they're sadly not what they used to be either. I think breaking up the FGuy/DBS combo was a bad move. Too bad we don't have Primal coming in the fall... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Was Jack S5 a Toonami production or an [as] deal that aired on Toonami. I guess it doesn't really matter which, I acknowledge my forgetfulness regarding it, and it did do well. FLCL S2&3 didn't have much hype, at least not near the fan hype that other shows have. It got promoted, heavily, but it didn't really turn into the kind of cult hit that FLCL was. I stand by the no one watch/wanted observation, particularly since it followed DBS when DBS was pulling in huge key share. LivePD works because it is cheap, it has dramatic pull, it has likable characters (Sticks and Tom ftw) and because it actively involves the audience. They show promos of, and actively encourage people to participate by sharing "watch party" photos on social media. Toonami used to be that way when it first rebooted. It was presented as a "we are going to do this awesome thing together" block, and people bought into it. There was a sense of tribal membership, a belonging. Now it is more akin to DeMarco's dictatorship, you will watch and like it even if it isn't what you want, if you question you will be trolled and driven out. That is why the audience is gone, people aren't going to put up with that kind of arrogance for long. The ratings in general show that. It isn't streaming, streaming was widespread in America before the reboot launched and it still did awesome. It isn't Japan putting out weeb trash (well, yeah it is, looking at you raep slug) because there are genuinely good and compelling shows that are in each season (Arslan, Demon hunter, Shield Hero, SAC etc.). It is because Toonami/[as] has lost its connection to its audience. Eh, my two cents I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 You're probably not wrong, and that's a damn shame. Toonami got to where it is today by connecting to its audience in 2012-2014, then got kind of big-headed in 2015-mid 2017, and so now abandoning that has lead to its "downfall" in 2018 and 2019. But shows like SAO and AOT were hits during that "good" time frame, so they seemed like decent bets. And you can't exactly fault Toonami for trying with The Promised Neverland, though it has turned out to be kind of a dud. And so, here comes Gundam at 3 AM, and I hope they've got something good coming to replace the current two Aniplex shows which are both wrapping up soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Dear boobs, please save Toonami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 5 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: You're probably not wrong, and that's a damn shame. Toonami got to where it is today by connecting to its audience in 2012-2014, then got kind of big-headed in 2015-mid 2017, and so now abandoning that has lead to its "downfall" in 2018 and 2019. But shows like SAO and AOT were hits during that "good" time frame, so they seemed like decent bets. And you can't exactly fault Toonami for trying with The Promised Neverland, though it has turned out to be kind of a dud. And so, here comes Gundam at 3 AM, and I hope they've got something good coming to replace the current two Aniplex shows which are both wrapping up soon! AOT was only a hit during S1. It's like comparing Heroes S1 to any other season of Heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 And to think, this Saturday is an ESPN card with a pretty good main event. The ratings pain will continue until they can generate actual hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) I dunno; I'd argue that S2 was still a "hit", but not a "smash hit". Right now, S3 is just sort of "there", riding Dragon Ball Super's coattails. It DESERVES to be a hit, though, no question. I'll bet it would do better in the ratings if the dub was delayed a week on FUNimation or something. But at LEAST Super, and therefore Toonami, won the night last week, and MHA clearly placed 3rd in total viewers, and tied with FG for 2nd in Adults 18-49: Dragon Ball Z Kai (repeat) (ADSM, 8:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.305 million viewers (#92) • 0.22 HH (#83) • 0.10 A18-49 (#75) • 0.10 A18-34 (#43) • 0.09 A25-54 (#96) Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.279 million viewers (#95) • 0.20 HH (#92) • 0.10 A18-49 (#75) • 0.07 A18-34 (#71) • 0.10 A25-54 (#87) Rick & Morty (repeat) (ADSM, 9:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.372 million viewers (#81) • 0.26 HH (#68) • 0.14 A18-49 (#49) • 0.11 A18-34 (#38) • 0.15 A25-54 (#64) Rick & Morty (repeat) (ADSM, 9:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.369 million viewers (#82) • 0.28 HH (#65) • 0.13 A18-49 (#51) • 0.10 A18-34 (#43) • 0.15 A25-54 (#64) Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.464 million viewers (#60) • 0.34 HH (#51) • 0.17 A18-49 (#34) • 0.16 A18-34 (#26) • 0.19 A25-54 (#42) My Hero Academia (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.424 million viewers (#68) • 0.31 HH (#57) • 0.17 A18-49 (#34) • 0.15 A18-34 (#29) • 0.18 A25-54 (#45) Read more: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-fox-and-ae-in-virtual-tie-for-tops-in-prime-time-among-adults-18-49 Hell, AOT actually tied with FG in Adults 18-34. It's standing toe-to-toe with a show that by all measures IS a hit, even on a bad night. But that doesn't change the fact that we need another episode of Family Guy to lead-in to Toonami on Saturday nights like we had during the first 19 weeks of this year once again. One just isn't cutting it. And is it just me or does Dragon Ball Super have NO replay value at 8:30? I'm not sure why they made that deal, but 0.07 for that episode in 18-34 just isn't cutting it! That's about 50K watching nationwide! Craptacular Encore Saturday much? At least Toonami is still staying above 0.10 in 18-34 for Top 50 shows at least, and I guess that's OK. 6/22/19 - Adults 18-49 Show Viewers Retention DBZ Kai 128,000* DBS (R) 128,000* 100.00%* TOONAMI MHA 224,000 102.75%* DBS (P) 353,000 157.59% AOTS3B 208,000 58.92% TPN 165,000 79.33% SAO3 170,000 103.03% LupinPt5 152,000 89.41% B. Clover 167,000 109.87% Boruto 154,000 92.22% Shippuden 141,000 91.56% H×H 130,000 92.20% AVERAGE 186,400 25th of 25 ☠️ *Result of an estimate Thank you. NEXT! Edited June 27, 2019 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jman said: And to think, this Saturday is an ESPN card with a pretty good main event. The ratings pain will continue until they can generate actual hype. Oh gosh, we're not even talking about ESPN+, we're talking about MAINSTREAM ESPN. And the Main Event is going to be airing at the same time as MHA, DBS, and AOT. This won't be pretty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Sadly, even Goblin Slayer can't help. Wait, it actually might help, but DeMarco won't get it. Instead we're going to get Jojo's Bizarre Adventures: Golden Shower and we'll like it or else; because threatening your audience is always the best way to connect with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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