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I really hope that we don't get Jojo numbers for Attack on Titan. This series should be able to hold Kai better and maybe even gain on it. They paid a lot of money to get this I'm sure if we get similar drops like we've been getting, they may never do anything like this again for us.  I don't mean to rag on Jojo, which still didn't do bad and had similar drops to other 12:30 shows, but I think the level of expectations for a show like Titan are higher considering the likely cost. 

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For the first time since I can remember, the 11:30 airing of DB Super got lower than Kai! :o  Also, Jack was hit, but only by about 100,000, which in the whole thing doesn't look too bad for it.

 

That's actually the 8 PM airing of Super, which pretty much does lower than Kai consistently. But that's actually very good for it! By all measurements it hasn't been this good since February 25th!

 

ShowBuzzDaily and TV By The Numbers don't even touch the 11:30 PM airing since it's a same-night encore. We won't find out how well it did, not even an estimate, until the Programming Insider numbers come out usually in late afternoon, and we also won't know its 18-34 number.

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I really hope that we don't get Jojo numbers for Attack on Titan. This series should be able to hold Kai better and maybe even gain on it. They paid a lot of money to get this I'm sure if we get similar drops like we've been getting, they may never do anything like this again for us.  I don't mean to rag on Jojo, which still didn't do bad and had similar drops to other 12:30 shows, but I think the level of expectations for a show like Titan are higher considering the likely cost.

 

I think you're right about that! I noticed something interesting while rewatching JoJo last night: I believe they used the same recycled bumps from the 12:30 episode during the 1 AM episode kind of like they did for the Parasyte marathon, at least until the commercial break of episode 26, which featured scenes from episode 25. I'm going to have to rewatch again to see if that was in fact the case, as I don't remember what the internal bumps of episode 25 were like.

 

But it seems like the effort level is much higher with Attack on Titan Season 2 despite it being relegated to the timeslot after the Dragonball Hour, but it and Tokyo Ghoul were probably purposefully placed there to lift the midblock. While Toonami is intent on picking up Stardust Crusaders, it's also apparent that after Battle Tendency began to disappoint in the ratings they probably considered it a "throwaway" show.

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Do you know why TVBTN no longer gets the full cable ratings? Or why Programming Insider (they seem to do it for AS on Saturday but not other nights of the week) or Showbuzz don't post them?  Does anybody else?I wish I could compare Toonami's performance to other nights of Adult Swim.

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I think you're right about that! I noticed something interesting while rewatching JoJo last night: I believe they used the same recycled bumps from the 12:30 episode during the 1 AM episode kind of like they did for the Parasyte marathon, at least until the commercial break of episode 26, which featured scenes from episode 25. I'm going to have to rewatch again to see if that was in fact the case, as I don't remember what the internal bumps of episode 25 were like.

 

But it seems like the effort level is much higher with Attack on Titan Season 2 despite it being relegated to the timeslot after the Dragonball Hour, but it and Tokyo Ghoul were probably purposefully placed there to lift the midblock. While Toonami is intent on picking up Stardust Crusaders, it's also apparent that after Battle Tendency began to disappoint in the ratings they probably considered it a "throwaway" show.

 

I think Stardust is still a certainty. If they're smart, treat  it like a new show. It's fresh, somewhat modern, and  will probably mostly be devoid of funny accents. Run a promo similar to the one Toonami Faithful made in 2015 that outlines the main plot and sprinkle some of the humorous moments in there. Just don't throw in any clips of Jotaro calling his mom a the "b word" as it might turn off some viewers.  : )

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Last week Jack hit a series low, and everything else pretty much followed suit, as NBA Basketball made Toonami its bitch:

 

4/15/2017 Samurai Jack - #6 (-5)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.79

Estimated 18-34 - 537,000 ( 40.22% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.66

Estimated 18-49 - 846,000 ( 63.37% )

Total Viewers - 1,297,000

 

I mean clearly this is due to Adult Swim airing Rick and Morty as opposed to Samurai Jack two weeks ago.

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I really hope that we don't get Jojo numbers for Attack on Titan. This series should be able to hold Kai better and maybe even gain on it. They paid a lot of money to get this I'm sure if we get similar drops like we've been getting, they may never do anything like this again for us.  I don't mean to rag on Jojo, which still didn't do bad and had similar drops to other 12:30 shows, but I think the level of expectations for a show like Titan are higher considering the likely cost.

 

I wouldn't worry too much about AoT.  People have been anticipating it for a while now, so that, along with it being a dub premiere, should help it in the ratings.

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I mean clearly this is due to Adult Swim airing Rick and Morty as opposed to Samurai Jack two weeks ago.

 

That may have been a factor, but I'm not so sure since the numbers bounced back the following week, and in fact Jack did BETTER in adults 18-34 AFTER the R&M pre-emption. This is by a wide margin pretty much its worst week yet in 18-34, and the blame for most of that rests squarely on NBA Playoffs, which were not a factor last week and averaged a 1.23 directly opposite Jack's 0.79. It may even be that 10 PM Wednesday's Jack airing does its best this week as folks who were mesmerized by Jazz @ Clippers tune in to catch up. It's up against the tail end of Thunder @ Rockets but right after it ends the Trailblazers @ Warriors follows at 10:30. That might be enough of a break for it to eke out a good number (though we won't know its 18-34).

 

Well, here comes Attack on Titan Season 2 but the question is "what happens when it or Jack leaves?" It will probably do better than the show it's replacing, but what then? If AOT shoots up to 11 when Jack leaves, then that will leave an open slot on June 3rd. Also Gundam Unicorn is most likely ending June 10th, so that slot opens June 17th. And if we're simply losing 11 PM, then that would mean AOTS2 will end in late July or early August. We know, despite disappointing ratings for Battle Tendency, that they're looking into Stardust Crusaders, but that would be another long-runner. We don't know what the status of Gundam IBO S2 is, but it would probably be crappy of them to debut that at 2 AM directly following Unicorn, and based on ratings IF AOTS2 is moving up to 11 PM when Jack ends, then the 12:30 AM slot would probably be a better candidate for it, since it like AOT is a dub premiere. Of course Stardust Crusaders is also a dub premiere beyond the first 3 episodes, so that would also be a good candidate for the 12:30 AM slot, but if Gundam IBO S2 replaces AOT if/when AOT replaces Jack at 11, effectively doubling-down on Gundam for 2 weeks, then I would have to guess that SC's best shot would be to replace Tokyo Ghoul. As for the 2 AM slot vacated by Gundam Unicorn? Probably Lupin III Part 4 or something classic.

 

However, if AOT holds on to the 12:30 AM slot even after Jack ends, that changes things dramatically. Gundam IBO S2 would be stuck having to replace Gundam Unicorn at 2 AM unless they desire to give Tokyo Ghoul a break between its first season and Root A, which would mean it would probably return next year with Root A or maybe even replace Hunter x Hunter briefly. The fact that when Gundam Unicorn ends, Tokyo Ghoul season 1 will still have an episode left, leads me to believe that it wouldn't just end up at 2 AM for its last episode. Perhaps they could pull a JoJo with it and give Hunter x Hunter a week off while Tokyo Ghoul Season 1 gets an hour-long Season 1 finale before ending up at 2 AM for Root A, while Gundam IBO S2 premieres at 1 AM after AOT the following week. Also under this scenario, we don't get any "dark horses" like Lupin III or Blue Exorcist Season 2, unless Dragon Ball Super takes a break, but since it would be leading off the block that's highly unlikely. I can't see Blue Exorcist Kyoto Arc at 11:30, but ANIPLEX just might mandate that if Toonami wants to deal for it. I fear that it will end up on Anime Strike, which would be utterly disgusting.

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All those decisions that have to be made is why I don't envy the programming department. Keeping 11pm is a toss up. They could slide everything forward, giving the 11pm hour to Dragonball, they could try AOT in that hour as well. They don't like to mess with the lineup too much. But we've seen cases before where shows that are doing well move up, so if AOT does great, then who knows?

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I do not remember competiting programming having this much affect on Toonami at this time of the year before. Then again, there appears to be more hype for the Playoffs this year particularly, and the toxic and controversial upswing of politics has given SNL some of its best ratings in years and years!!

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There's this now, but no real new information here.

 

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/saturday-cable-ratings-april-15-2017/

 

At least all of Toonami's cable originals except Gundam Unicorn managed to beat Doctor Who, despite its feature on this website! I thought they would go with the NBA Playoffs for the picture feature, but no.

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Sarcasm, Al.

 

Doesn't translate well over message boards!  S:

 

ShowBuzzDaily has updated their Saturday ratings page, and we now know how well Hunter x Hunter, Shippuden, and GITS did. Putting it all together (so far), now we have this for 12:05 AM onward:

 

12:05 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 924,000

12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 829,000 (89.72%)

1:00 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 747,000 (90.11%)

1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 687,000 (91.97%)

2:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 555,000 (80.79%)

2:30 AM Naruto: Shippuden 562,000 (101.26%)

3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 510,000 (90.75%)

 

Keep in mind this doesn't include the final episode of Sand Whale And Me. Anyhoo, when it comes to retention among total viewers, it turns out the JoJos didn't doo too bad and Gundam was the turkey. Good on Shippuden for beating that though!

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Uhhh, let's not worry about who has deserted us or not, whether they did so accidentally or not, and let's get back to the RATINGS, shall we?  ::spin::

 

TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 870,000

 

10:30 PM Family Guy 1,290,000

11:00 PM Samurai Jack 1,297,000 (100.54%)

11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 1,000,000 (77.10%)

12:00 AM Sand Whale & Me 881,000 (88.10%)

12:05 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 924,000 (104.88%)

12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 829,000 (89.72%)

1:00 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 747,000 (90.11%)

1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 687,000 (91.97%)

2:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 555,000 (80.79%)

2:30 AM Naruto: Shippuden 562,000 (101.26%)

3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 510,000 (90.75%)

TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 789,315

 

This was below average for 2017 and was down 15% on average from the block a year ago. However...

 

ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 443,000

 

10:30 PM Family Guy 787,000

11:00 PM Samurai Jack 848,000 (107.75%)

11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 647,000 (76.30%)

12:00 AM Sand Whale & Me 549,000 (84.85%)

12:05 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 577,000 (105.10%)

12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 535,000 (92.72%)

1:00 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 464,000 (86.73%)

1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 422,000 (90.95%)

2:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 338,000 (80.09%)

2:30 AM Naruto: Shippuden 339,000 (100.30%)

3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 337,000 (99.41%)

ADULTS 18-49 TOONAMI AVERAGE - 500,259

 

This was actually ABOVE average for 2017 and down only 2% from the block average a year ago! So I guess that means the JoJo finale was actually sorta part of a success--who knew?

 

Finally, as always:

 

CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES

Total Viewers

Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 881,143 (14 episodes)

Samurai Jack - 1,367,200 (5 episodes)

Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 1,172,214 (14 episodes)

Sand Whale And Me - 930,800 (5 episodes, finished)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 1,038,267 (15 episodes)

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 894,846 (26 episodes, taking a break)

Tokyo Ghoul - 766,667 (3 episodes)

Hunter × Hunter - 836,553 (47 episodes)

Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 710,200 (15 episodes)

Naruto: Shippuden - 864,737 (154 episodes)

Ghost In The Shell HD - 523,727 (11 episodes)

 

Adults 18-49

Dragon Ball Super (8 PM, Estimate) - 422,071 (14 episodes)

Samurai Jack - 877,000 (5 episodes)

Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 712,143 (14 episodes)

Sand Whale And Me - 592,200 (5 episodes, finished)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 626,933 (15 episodes)

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 546,923 (26 episodes, taking a break)

Tokyo Ghoul - 482,000 (3 episodes)

Hunter × Hunter - 497,043 (47 episodes)

Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 433,400 (15 episodes)

Naruto: Shippuden - 479,698 (137 episodes)

Ghost In The Shell HD - 327,182 (11 episodes)

 

Adults 18-34 (Estimated)

Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 272,308 (13 episodes)

Samurai Jack - 609,000 (5 episodes)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 429,400 (15 episodes)

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 371,462 (26 episodes, taking a break)

Tokyo Ghoul - 335,333 (3 episodes)

Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 299,400 (15 episodes)

 

I had miscalculated the averages for Gundam and Shippuden for the past few weeks, but they have been corrected this week. Of most note is that Gundam has fallen below 300K average for 18-34. It may only be a matter of time before it has an episode below 200K if Attack on Titan doesn't change its fate. JoJo Season 1 is done and its final averages are 895K total viewers, 547K adults 18-49, and 371K 18-34, which are rather low for an average start time of 12:32 AM but still rather respectable. Sand Whale and Me has also concluded and its averages are 931K total viewers and 592K adults 18-49, which is also respectable for a show with an average start time of 12:05 AM, but of course pales in comparison to what Bleach and DBZ Kai have done in that timeslot (same is true for DBZ KFC which is actually doing worse than its predecessor).

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That's a good question! Not really sure. It often got fewer viewers than its co-timeslot holder, but when that's DBZ Kai, you can't really expect too much.

 

I'd say it's even possible that the rest of the block wouldn't have sank as low without it, although one only needs to look at March 11th to see an example of why that might not be the case. I'm not really sure what kind of magic the block had going for it back on February 25th and March 4th, and it managed to regain a little bit of it on March 25th, but it doesn't seem to have recovered it since.

 

Maybe the return of Attack on Titan will bring the magic back? If they know what's good for them they'll play that promo again during Samurai Jack's rerun tonight!

 

Also, somewhat related, the number of topicals Toonami has had by the year since 2014:

 

2014 - 2: Space Dandy and Attack on Titan

2015 - 1: Intruder II

2016 - 2: One-Punch Man and Intruder III

2017 - 3: Dragon Ball Super; Samurai Jack; and Sand Whale And Me...so far!!

 

I would say before all's said and done 2017 could have as many as SEVEN shows getting topicals: AOT S2 might have them, the TIE probably will, and then there's FLCL and maybe even one other show...

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I'd imagine they are because it probably cost them a lot. Since they don't have to do Sandwhale anymore, it frees up some promo time. The only hiccup is if the dub falls behind and don't have time to make one. The recent promo and its lack of dialogue leads me to believe that they are coming down to the wire on this one.

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I'd imagine they are because it probably cost them a lot. Since they don't have to do Sandwhale anymore, it frees up some promo time. The only hiccup is if the dub falls behind and don't have time to make one. The recent promo and its lack of dialogue leads me to believe that they are coming down to the wire on this one.

 

I never understood why they have to make their own topicals and can't simply use/edit the next episode previews at the end of each episode? (The line gets blurred between the two for Samurai Jack and also got blurred for the Intruders.) I guess it has something to do with copyright issues? Even then you'd think they could take snippets of dialog from those. Hopefully we'll at least get snippets but the lack of topicals for Dimension W might be telling. I guess we'll see Friday night during Pre-Flight, and if not then, then maybe Saturday night?

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I never understood why they have to make their own topicals and can't simply use/edit the next episode previews at the end of each episode? (The line gets blurred between the two for Samurai Jack and also got blurred for the Intruders.) I guess it has something to do with copyright issues? Even then you'd think they could take snippets of dialog from those. Hopefully we'll at least get snippets but the lack of topicals for Dimension W might be telling. I guess we'll see Friday night during Pre-Flight, and if not then, then maybe Saturday night?

 

That's actually a good idea. Maybe for whatever reason they don't get those for Super.

 

The only reason I say they would for AoT, is that there is precedent for it with season 1 having done it. Demarco said in his interview with Toonami Squad that they would make topical for things they make or things they have a heavy financial investment in. I'd imagine Titan cost more than the average show due to the nature of getting it so soon after Japanese broadcast. They could have waited a few months and let FUNimation put it out first and picked it up later, but they saw an opportunity to get it first and probably paid for the privilege. FUNimation was willing to compromise and wait until the next day to post it and maybe even that brief exclusivity  cost them as well.

 

As I was talking about last time, I wonder how tight the production schedule on this is and if they can even get a topical made in time for the next week. With Space Dandy, Toonami, FUNimation, and the Japanese production company had made plans ahead of time to pull it off and they mostly used Texas actors (I believe they used some LA actors in minor roles like Bryce and Johnny, but that may have been by luck in having them around at the right time). Titan has actors both in Texas and LA and  can only imagine the logistics that need to be worked out with that. (at least technology as come a long way for that!). I remember an interview with Bryce where he really didn't know if they could pull off a simuldub due to these issues.

 

That being said, I'm sure topicals would need a little more lead time than this may allow. I hope this doesn't happen, but delays could cause hiccups in production and possibly force the show to take a week off.  That of course depends on how many episodes ahead they are. Maybe Memorial Day would allow them to breathe a little bit. I wonder if Toonami moved up the premiere because FUNimation wanted to post the episode a week before their original premiere date?

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But those are subtitled episodes! Also, what the hell does "VRV" mean?

 

Aot Season 1 was a hit, but it was .... an odd hit. When Adult Swim pushed it to the front of the block in reruns, it gave the block poor ratings to the extent that it led to the block being cut in half its length. 

 

VRV ?  Not sure what it stands for. All I got was a type of cooling unit developed in Japan in 1982.

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That doesn't always work with abbreviations!

 

Also, I hope everyone's watching Samurai Jack tonight! We need it to keep kicking butt in the ratings on Wednesday night!

 

I almost forgot it was reruning on TV now! :D  I am watching it but after happening to turn the TV on a whim!

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I had hoped that since Samurai Jack's Toonami premiere hit its season low in both total viewers and adults 18-34, as well as was just 7K above it in 18-49, the Wednesday night rerun might have gotten a bit higher ratings than usual. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case:

 

http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/wednesday-final-nationals-fargo-return-fx-slightly-previous-season-premiere/

 

The 10 PM Wednesday airing only managed a 0.42 in 18-49 (~538K), a full 0.04 lower than the previous low (~590K), and it was only up from the series low on week 2 in total viewers by a mere 8k.

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The deck is REALLY stacked against Toonami tonight. It's up against a boxing match, a UFC PPV, and not one but TWO NBA Playoff games! Hopefully Attack On Titan's Season 2 premiere managed to lift its ratings out of the gutter, but I guess we'll find out Tuesday morning!

 

Here's my "realistic" prediction:

 

Show: Total Viewers/Adults 18-49/Adults 18-34

DBS 8 PM: ~800K/450K/250K

Samurai Jack: ~1.2M/800K/600K

Dragon Ball Super: ~1.0M/700K/NA

Dragon Ball Kai FC: ~900K/600K/450K

Attack on Titan: ~1.0M/700K/500K

Tokyo Ghoul: ~900K/600K/400K

Hunter x Hunter: ~800K/500K/NA

Gundam Unicorn: ~700K/450K/300K

Shippuden: ~650K/400K/NA

Ghost In The Shell: ~600K/350K/NA

 

I.e.: I believe AOT will produce a modest gain over DBZ Kai, just as OPM gained modestly from it last year.

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Speaking of which, where has Gman been since the ASMB went kaput?

 

I told Gman about the board.  Said he already had seen it and that it looked scattered and barren.  Wasn't interested.  That was the previous version, though.  Don't know if he's seen this one.  And yeah, they're still doing the podcast.  I've been listening to it.

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I mean clearly this is due to Adult Swim airing Rick and Morty as opposed to Samurai Jack two weeks ago.

 

Maybe most of the block is faltering because most of the shows suck.  With JoJo gone the only good shows on are Jack and Dragonball.

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I wouldn't worry too much about AoT.  People have been anticipating it for a while now, so that, along with it being a dub premiere, should help it in the ratings.

 

Is there even any hype around it anymore, though?  It's been a long time.

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Very realistic. I was looking at TVBTN and it does the weeknight weekly averages for how AS does against the late night shows. The 11:30 timeslot is averaging about  1.2 mil/ 0.5 18-49 and the 12:30 is averaging 900k/0.4 18-49. This represents the whole hour in comparison to things like Fallon/Colbert and Seth Meyers/ James Corden. To me, that seems way down from before. Putting that in perspective, I don't think Toonami is doing bad for a Saturday, which is always been slightly less

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Doesn't translate well over message boards!  S:

 

ShowBuzzDaily has updated their Saturday ratings page, and we now know how well Hunter x Hunter, Shippuden, and GITS did. Putting it all together (so far), now we have this for 12:05 AM onward:

 

12:05 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 924,000

12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 829,000 (89.72%)

1:00 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 747,000 (90.11%)

1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 687,000 (91.97%)

2:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 555,000 (80.79%)

2:30 AM Naruto: Shippuden 562,000 (101.26%)

3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 510,000 (90.75%)

 

Keep in mind this doesn't include the final episode of Sand Whale And Me. Anyhoo, when it comes to retention among total viewers, it turns out the JoJos didn't doo too bad and Gundam was the turkey. Good on Shippuden for beating that though!

 

Gundam is always the turkey.  Cancel and replace with ExoSquad.

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