if reality is just a dream it changes the concept of time

[Phillies]

Think about it. The past never happened the universe is just the constant present.

[Cau]

No

[StarPanda]

?????

[Guest The Hound]

More post like this.

[lupin_bebop]

Lay off the shrooms, dude.

[NaBarney]

I think not having a job for so long might have allowed you to comprehend time in a way which those of us who have to be somewhere most days can't.

Guide us, time guru, free us all from these o'clockian restraints

[Phillies]

3 hours ago, Nabloom said:

I think not having a job for so long might have allowed you to comprehend time in a way which those of us who have to be somewhere most days can't.

Guide us, time guru, free us all from these o'clockian restraints

Lots of famous people from history didn't have jobs. Remember that.

[nameraka]

also, which one of us is dreaming?

we don't want to accidentally wake him or her up. 

wait, what if it's a dog? 

Edited December 7, 2017 by nameraka

[Phillies]

1 hour ago, nameraka said:

also, which one of us is dreaming?

we don't want to accidentally wake him or her up. 

wait, what if it's a dog? 

We are each dreaming in our own dream. Somehow there is an interaction through space-time of dreams/dreamers. Or perhaps reality is an illusion and there are no dreamers. Or the universe is some strange soliptical onstruct- there is only one dreamer or that one dreamer is God and forgot it was dreaming.

[Drunkenwarrior]

[nameraka]

4 hours ago, Phillies said:

We are each dreaming in our own dream. Somehow there is an interaction through space-time of dreams/dreamers. Or perhaps reality is an illusion and there are no dreamers. Or the universe is some strange soliptical onstruct- there is only one dreamer or that one dreamer is God and forgot it was dreaming.

wait.

is this the real life, or is this just fantasy?

[Phillies]

16 minutes ago, nameraka said:

wait.

is this the real life, or is this just fantasy?

I don't know. 

Those sounds like song lyrics for some reason. 

[nameraka]

50 minutes ago, Phillies said:

I don't know. 

Those sounds like song lyrics for some reason. 

 

[Poof]

10 hours ago, Nabloom said:

I think not having a job for so long might have allowed you to comprehend time in a way which those of us who have to be somewhere most days can't.

Guide us, time guru, free us all from these o'clockian restraints

I really like this

[Phillies]

Just now, Poof said:

I really like this

poof you aren't suppost to agree with Nab's false accusations. 

[NaBarney]

It isn't at all what Phillies is talking about but this is a fun book of cool ideas that's super easy to breeze through 

[Poof]

21 minutes ago, Phillies said:

poof you aren't suppost to agree with Nab's false accusations. 

Well I rarely have to actually be anywhere, and when I do, I usually get to pick when.

like Asa Akira says “Everyday is Saturday when you’re a whore”

it makes things different

[Kudasai]

I'm not sure what type of Ganja you're smoking but you need to pass that some of that my way

[Guest The Hound]

7 hours ago, Phillies said:

Lots of famous people from history didn't have jobs. Remember that.

Yea but you're never going to be famous. 

[Lasty]

Right,  all possibilities are occurring spontaneously, simultaneously, in this eternally coexistent, infinite now.

No one asked for this. It doesn't have a cause, it never began, and it will never end.

There's no intrinsic purpose to anything; that is for us to decide.

There's no one here to hold your hand, because it's all you.

It'll just be me, jerking myself off forever, basically.

There is no such thing as something that doesn't exist.

Just because it's like a dream doesn't mean dream experiences aren't real.

So matter is matter, energy is energy and we're right back where we started.

This is our planet, we're responsible for it and for each other.

[Phillies]

1 hour ago, Poof said:

Well I rarely have to actually be anywhere, and when I do, I usually get to pick when.

like Asa Akira says “Everyday is Saturday when you’re a whore”

it makes things different

I wanna be a whore.

senpai train me. Take me under your wing and show me the ways of the whore.

[Phillies]

1 hour ago, Kudasai said:

I'm not sure what type of Ganja you're smoking but you need to pass that some of that my way

Miku will pass it your way. 

[Phillies]

4 minutes ago, Lasty said:

Right,  all possibilities are occurring spontaneously, simultaneously, in this eternally coexistent, infinite now.

No one asked for this. It doesn't have a cause, it never began, and it will never end.

There's no intrinsic purpose to anything; that is for us to decide.

There's no one here to hold your hand, because it's all you.

It'll just be me, jerking myself off forever, basically.

There is no such thing as something that doesn't exist.

Just because it's like a dream doesn't mean dream experiences aren't real.

So matter is matter, energy is energy and we're right back where we started.

This is our planet, we're responsible for it and for each other.

But if the whole planet is a dream... how can we be responsible for a dream? It seems like a contradiction?? 

[Phillies]

1 hour ago, The Hound said:

Yea but you're never going to be famous. 

Why do you have to be so negative?? Lots of famous people started off at the bottom. 

[Hornshire]

As it is now, the Universe is just the constant present.
It may perhaps be more correct to say that the constant present is just the Universe, but the point is that that is not a movement in paradigms, let alone a fundamental shift.

As for a nonexistent past, We don't feel this has an impact either. Because regardless of any truth to it, we still hold a perception of past. Whether or not the events in fact happened does not change the notion that there was an order to them.

[Kudasai]

5 minutes ago, Phillies said:

Miku will pass it your way. 

[Lasty]

1 minute ago, Phillies said:

But if the whole planet is a dream... how can we be responsible for a dream? It seems like a contradiction?? 

It's your dream. You seem to be caught up on dreaming about contradictions but it's all the same thing.... apparent contradictions included. There's also another possible dream of everything falling into place perfectly... so... perfect. Indra's net, man. I can't seem to stop looking at it.

[SwimModSponges]

The majority of positions espoused in this thread are incorrect.

[Phillies]

12 minutes ago, Kweerie said:

As it is now, the Universe is just the constant present.
It may perhaps be more correct to say that the constant present is just the Universe, but the point is that that is not a movement in paradigms, let alone a fundamental shift.

As for a nonexistent past, We don't feel this has an impact either. Because regardless of any truth to it, we still hold a perception of past. Whether or not the events in fact happened does not change the notion that there was an order to them.

So its possible nothing in the past actually happened? 

So then all those Twinkies I ate yesterday why are they causing me to gain more weight??  Its as if the universe just made me gain weight which I have , yet right now I don't nor ever technically had the pleasure of eating said Twinkies.

Sounds like I'm in hell. 

[Phillies]

1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said:

The majority of positions espoused in this thread are incorrect.

Senpai explain. 

[Naraku4656]

pseudo philosophical babble is boring

[Phillies]

Just now, Naraku4656 said:

pseudo philosophical babble is boring

If you had some carbohydrates in your brain you might find it interesting.

 

[Naraku4656]

if you had anything in your brain i might

[Phillies]

Just now, Naraku4656 said:

if you had anything in your brain i might

that didn't even make sense^

[NaBarney]

"There isn't a time or a place / Only an ebb and a flowing

A permanent repeating space / Occurring connecting and growing"

[SwimModSponges]

8 minutes ago, Phillies said:

Senpai explain. 

Ok, hang on.

*takes a deep breath*

Time exists; obviously time exists. It does not exist in the manner we perceive it, but almost nothing does: color, for instance, is not real. The thing we call color is just particles of light hitting our eyes at particular frequencies. Imagine the line is the progression of time, and the dots are photons-

___.___.___.___. = red

_._._._._._._._. = green

Now we're not talking about the dots in the picture, we're talking about the line, which we perceive as a line, because of our flawed sense organs.

The line stretches off in a direction we label "behind/past." and seemingly terminates at the ever-changing point we label the "present," though we know that, due to the fact that this present is constantly in motion, this line also stretches out in a direction that we label "ahead/forward."

Now, we label this "line" in terminology descriptive of three dimensions because these are the three dimensions the cognitive structure of the brain and nervous systems have existed most intimately within since the evolution of intelligent life on earth. It is not a three-dimensional object, however. Time is a fourth dimension. Look at your hand. Your finger has three-dimensional length, depth, and circumference, a physical position. If you were able to observe the fourth dimension, you would see that your finger also has a temporal superposition. Time is as a physical phenomenon within the fourth dimension. Every thing you have ever done, everything you will ever do, your friends, neighbors, the dinosaurs, the furthest galaxies being birthed and destroyed across the span of aeons in perfect order in accordance with the singular chemical chain reaction which began at the conception of this universe. All of it forever is a solid mass; mostly made of swirling lines because everything in the universe tends to rotate around the gravitational center of themselves. Actually the best 2-dimensional representation of the four dimensional concept would be the mandelbrot fractal, only instead of color, it's... noodles which consist of everything. 

Anyways, that's the fourth dimension.

The fifth dimension is by contrast relatively boring in any way that could be conceived by the human mind. It's the quantum foam that encompasses all possible realities. Like a mass of soap bubbles, only every bubble consists of everything up above, and the  bubbles stretch on into infinity.

That's where I go to hang out with the X-men in my wonderful fanfictions.

[Hornshire]

It cannot be proven to be impossible. That's the strongest argument for it, if you even count that as an argument. (Which We don't, really.)

But since you've proposed it, We'll play along...

If you assume that the past did not happen, you will not have gained weight.
This is because there was no point prior to now where you had any weight to use as reference. You always have been the weight you are now, because in such a scenario, now is the sum totality of always. The Twinkies you ate yesterday are having no effect, because you did not eat them because there was no yesterday. If you are not currently experiencing Twinkie bliss, you never have. Any memories you have of prior occurrences are illusion. Any thought you've had prior, you didn't have prior; you're having it now, and only imagining to have had it before.

Such an existence, if you even count that as existence (which We don't, really) has no functionality. There is nothing gained from holding that view, nor is there anything lost in dismissing it even if it were true.

As for being Hell... that entirely depends on the prospect of future. It's one thing to say that there is no past, and that the Universe just sprang into being exactly as it is right now, but will henceforth continue in a manner consistent with what we imagine it to have been doing, while in reality not.
It is an entirely different proposition that not only has there never been another moment before, but that there will never be a moment after. This particular view has even less utility. It is a world wherein you have no chance to lose weight, no opportunity to experience the joys of Twinkies, and no hope for anything at all. It is static and dead. Less than dead, because it was never live.

 

 

[Phillies]

I'm going to read both these posts when I'm done fapping^

[SwimModSponges]

I really recommend fapping while reading mine.

It enhances the experience significantly. 

[Poof]

1 hour ago, Phillies said:

I wanna be a whore.

senpai train me. Take me under your wing and show me the ways of the whore.

Find penises that have money

[Phillies]

53 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

I really recommend fapping while reading mine.

It enhances the experience significantly. 

hold on, I still didn't fap yet I just ate dinner.

I need something good to fap too. 

**pulls up miku hentai** 

[Phillies]

2 hours ago, SwimModSponges said:

Ok, hang on.

*takes a deep breath*

Time exists; obviously time exists. It does not exist in the manner we perceive it, but almost nothing does: color, for instance, is not real. The thing we call color is just particles of light hitting our eyes at particular frequencies. Imagine the line is the progression of time, and the dots are photons-

___.___.___.___. = red

_._._._._._._._. = green

Now we're not talking about the dots in the picture, we're talking about the line, which we perceive as a line, because of our flawed sense organs.

The line stretches off in a direction we label "behind/past." and seemingly terminates at the ever-changing point we label the "present," though we know that, due to the fact that this present is constantly in motion, this line also stretches out in a direction that we label "ahead/forward."

Now, we label this "line" in terminology descriptive of three dimensions because these are the three dimensions the cognitive structure of the brain and nervous systems have existed most intimately within since the evolution of intelligent life on earth. It is not a three-dimensional object, however. Time is a fourth dimension. Look at your hand. Your finger has three-dimensional length, depth, and circumference, a physical position. If you were able to observe the fourth dimension, you would see that your finger also has a temporal superposition. Time is as a physical phenomenon within the fourth dimension. Every thing you have ever done, everything you will ever do, your friends, neighbors, the dinosaurs, the furthest galaxies being birthed and destroyed across the span of aeons in perfect order in accordance with the singular chemical chain reaction which began at the conception of this universe. All of it forever is a solid mass; mostly made of swirling lines because everything in the universe tends to rotate around the gravitational center of themselves. Actually the best 2-dimensional representation of the four dimensional concept would be the mandelbrot fractal, only instead of color, it's... noodles which consist of everything. 

Anyways, that's the fourth dimension.

The fifth dimension is by contrast relatively boring in any way that could be conceived by the human mind. It's the quantum foam that encompasses all possible realities. Like a mass of soap bubbles, only every bubble consists of everything up above, and the  bubbles stretch on into infinity.

That's where I go to hang out with the X-men in my wonderful fanfictions.

How did you come to this conclusion? 

So why can't we predict the future then, if its already happened. That means everything is pre-ordained.

[Phillies]

3 hours ago, Kweerie said:

It cannot be proven to be impossible. That's the strongest argument for it, if you even count that as an argument. (Which We don't, really.)

But since you've proposed it, We'll play along...

If you assume that the past did not happen, you will not have gained weight.
This is because there was no point prior to now where you had any weight to use as reference. You always have been the weight you are now, because in such a scenario, now is the sum totality of always. The Twinkies you ate yesterday are having no effect, because you did not eat them because there was no yesterday. If you are not currently experiencing Twinkie bliss, you never have. Any memories you have of prior occurrences are illusion. Any thought you've had prior, you didn't have prior; you're having it now, and only imagining to have had it before.

Such an existence, if you even count that as existence (which We don't, really) has no functionality. There is nothing gained from holding that view, nor is there anything lost in dismissing it even if it were true.

As for being Hell... that entirely depends on the prospect of future. It's one thing to say that there is no past, and that the Universe just sprang into being exactly as it is right now, but will henceforth continue in a manner consistent with what we imagine it to have been doing, while in reality not.
It is an entirely different proposition that not only has there never been another moment before, but that there will never be a moment after. This particular view has even less utility. It is a world wherein you have no chance to lose weight, no opportunity to experience the joys of Twinkies, and no hope for anything at all. It is static and dead. Less than dead, because it was never live.

 

 

What do you think about the 3rd and 4th dimension?? 

[Hornshire]

They are arbitrary.
Necessary, yes, to understand the world we live in to the most complete extent we can. But still arbitrary. Why, for example, is up up? Why isn't it left? You could cite gravity, as the determining factor, but really all you're doing is establishing an origin point. Move a significant distance from the nearest concentration of mass and such a delineation is of no consequence, and the initial question becomes much more difficult to answer.

It is, perhaps, worth noting that many refer to time as the 4th dimension. This is a flawed assessment, in Our view. Time has primacy. It is primacy, in a sense. All measurements in the strictly spatial dimensions mean nothing if context is not first established through a reference time. It should be considered the 1st. Maybe even the 0th. 

[Tricolor]

Dammit! All those farts...wasted

[SwimModSponges]

10 hours ago, Phillies said:

How did you come to this conclusion? 

So why can't we predict the future then, if its already happened. That means everything is pre-ordained.

Ive traveled those seas.

Everything is pre-ordained according to the laws of reality. The chemicals which make up physical existence will react with eachother in a precise manner.

Raise your right hand. Can you go back that second or two and raise your left hand instead? You may have risen your left hand originally to spite me, but that would still have been a reaction caused by the actions within your environment.

Now if the future is solid, why cant we predict it?

Because the human consciousness is inherently incapable of quantifying all values and the product of their interraction.

[SwimModSponges]

Time is the fourth dimension, alternate times are the fifth dimension.

[Phillies]

36 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

Ive traveled those seas.

Everything is pre-ordained according to the laws of reality. The chemicals which make up physical existence will react with eachother in a precise manner.

Raise your right hand. Can you go back that second or two and raise your left hand instead? You may have risen your left hand originally to spite me, but that would still have been a reaction caused by the actions within your environment.

Now if the future is solid, why cant we predict it?

Because the human consciousness is inherently incapable of quantifying all values and the product of their interraction.

So if everything is pre-ordained there is nothing we can do to change our fate??

Isn't that a gloomy outlook? 

[SwimModSponges]

No, we dont know our fate, so subjectively it does not matter that it is immutable.

[Phillies]

1 hour ago, SwimModSponges said:

No, we dont know our fate, so subjectively it does not matter that it is immutable.

Now thats a decent point.  And ya know what if we can't control anything then it doesn't matter if eat more Twinkies. And its not my fault if I get fat either.