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Happy Birthday to both of youse!

Why can't you sew your own things instead of chasing off one tailor and killing the other one?

My comments were more focused on the overstepping of personal boundaries than the work itself. South Park is in a vain of self-important satire that extends back to the invention of the printing press. It takes an immense amount of bravado and self-assurance to pronounce the perceived foibles of society and its leadership, and that naturally progresses into arrogance. That being said, the arrogance you see is in the characters, not the writers, because it's the characters that end up facing the consequences of their arrogance. Family Guy is more of an animated sitcom, relying on a stand-up type of humor that has its roots in golden age greek comedies. That takes a similar amount of bravado, but there's also the understanding that, like a stand up comedian, the jokes are as much a product of the flawed nature of the animated comedian as they are of their targets. In that sense, its easy to take a hearty "you suck" from your audience because jokes bombing is in a integral part of the stand-up process.

There’s an invisible but distinct division between the creator and their creation. A great example is Chris Rock. Will Smith had every right to be angry and hurt at Chris Rock’s alopecia joke because regardless of what Jada has done to not deserve sympathy it’s mean spirited. That doesn’t make it right for him to be slugged on stage, but he did get slugged because it’s harder to distinguish the joke from its writer when the delivery is by a real face. Not coincidentally, Seth McFarlane bombed at the Academy Awards when he hosted because the jokes he typically delivers as Peter (or Brian, or Stewie) have a face in person. In the broader view, this is how animation has played such an important part in the history of comedy. The earliest Mickey Mouse shorts minimize the humiliation the villain experiences to utilize the action while downplaying the seriousness of the drama. More recently, animation allows for shows like Bojack Horseman that have jokes built into psychological drama of an unlikeable protagonist without the pathos unintentionally reflecting the writers of those shows. Somewhere in between, you have the likes of Matt Groenig who creates a universe characters who deliver the jokes through their distinct personalities. Ultimately, guys like Seth push that boundary. He repeatedly includes jokes about other shows in FG, and those jokes veer into criticizing the writers either indirectly or, in the case of Seth Green, almost directly. It opens up McFarlane to anger and vitriol.

They have every right to be mad. Seth has a reputation for being mean spirited in the guise of humor.

I sense a lot of lesbian baby mamas in his future.

Thank you @André Toulon and @discolé monade for providing such top notch content. I peed myself after hardly drinking at all.

What changed about Snoopy?

That’s fascinating. I wouldn’t expect the trashy team MacFarland to have that kind of influence. i find it interesting MacFarland has a live action show for a dramedy, but reserves his puerile humor for a cartoon.

Well, he fucked that up, too.

Well, except for the six packs a day smoking.

It doesn't count if you don't know what the story is about.

I'll add a caveat - this advice only applies to stupid and gullible people.

That's been generally a problem with the satirical, prime time. adult animation comedies. Much like with a standup, the characters are themselves stereotypes. This is probably where Mike Judge is one of the best - he seems to recognize the stereotypical nature of his characters and those characters end up having to kind of own up to their own limitations.

I like how your two boys are judging me as I read that headline.

Sometimes I downvote people I like to. It doesn’t mean I dislike them or even think they’re wrong, I just don’t agree with the sentiment. Nabs I downvoted because it pissed him off.

Batman: TAS changed my idea of what a cartoon could be.

I think I did , but only because I Packard’ my googling. I don’t know how periods aren’t fatal….

The problem with both of those is that they were just conventional sitcoms (for the era) that happened to use animation. That’s certainly a valid use of motion arts, but it’s not analogous to the Saturday morning cartoons that used the art to create the world their characters inhabited. At best both of those take the usual sitcom plot and use the art for props: you could have easily made the plots for both work in live action.

Whether it be anime or American domestic, Disney, Hannah Barberra, Miyazaki, or McFarlane and Judge - animation is a medium that’s susceptible to its own limitations in a way that makes it impossible to define. Each animator creates their own world building rules, simultaneously opening up a world of content and sacrificing a piece of their work’s identity.

Saturday morning cartoons were better in the age before there were prime time cartoons.

Happy Birthday! (It’s still your birthday on the west coast.)

I don’t think I can do it. The only thing gross I envision for Trump is him getting accidentally drawn and quartered during a sex game with MBS and a bunch of horny camels,