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My Adventures with Superman Episode 3 Talkback
Toonamiguy321 replied to Jman's topic in Episode Discussion Archive
I assume Jman grabbed the wrong episode description, as the one in the OP sounds more like what was shown for next weeks promo. Anyway, I was sold on it last week already, but this marks the standard 3 episodes I’d give any show and it hasn’t let down yet. It’s not shattering any ground, but it’s an enjoyable experience and it’s spitting out great character designs left and right. My only real gripe right now is there are glaring moments where the animation team didn’t even try, but it looks good enough when it needs to. I spent the last week racking my brain for where I have seen this character dynamic before, and it finally clicked with me when I saw Jimmy doing pic related in the opening. It’s very similar to Uzaki-chan wants to Hang Out. Lois is playfully messing with Clark while Clark tries his best to be the straight man. Jimmy is an unaccounted for third wheel but often feels like a Uzaki-lite by usually going along with Lois’ schemes, much to Clark’s annoyance.- 51 replies
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My Adventures with Superman Episode 3 Talkback
Toonamiguy321 replied to Jman's topic in Episode Discussion Archive
I still have a feeling Ivo will have earned his tech billions either through EVs or online shopping. But, I’d rather that than have those aspect glued onto Luthor. So if they need to get that out of their system, I’d rather see it here.- 51 replies
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My Adventures with Superman Episode 3 Talkback
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Dr. Ivo is going to be a springboard for lazy, done to death social commentary about Elon and/or Bezos, isn’t he?- 51 replies
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Our first week without SBD and we have a bigger ratings picture than we have seen in months. I know they are doing it to get it on Max ASAP, but they are clearly blowing an opportunity here with having Superman premier on Toonami. I can’t remember the last time we saw a 0.15 on Toonami. Genndy isnt breathing down their neck on this one, this should have been a block premier and the numbers back that up. If this keeps up, maybe they will change their tune for S2. Superman is definitely the surprise of 2023. I thought two episodes would be enough for me to write it off, instead I’m looking forward to the next. The fake anime is giving the block something it desperately needed from real anime but Demarco could never be convinced to try.
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My theory is it’s just a quick flip. Snap it up cheap when Crunchyroll is distracted with a different acquisition, and just sit on it for a year or two, then either try to sell it to Crunchyroll for a premium, or if the government decides that’s too much monopoly, farm it off to someone else who wants into the anime game. I don’t believe anime is declining in popularity any time soon, so it’s a pretty safe gamble
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Yea, it’s definitely too late to try unless the channel had its own access to an anime pool. I can’t see any network wanting to license anime in the current landscape. I guess AMC has the Sentai catalog right? Maybe they could smash some of those together into something. I actually forgot about that brief Chiller attempt. Which isn’t a surprise as looking it up to refresh my memory reminded me it died after 3 weeks. Idk if they weren’t serious or they were just out of touch. Considering their lead show was Korean Zombie Desk Car, I’m gonna go with out of touch. This is an unfortunate truth. We would be eating real good, and then they would make our brief Primal rerun curse look like joke. But, id still love to see it, maybe a 3 month good block of anime would be the kick in the pants Toonami needs to do better.
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Sure she has the right to try. But attempts will simply embolden others to use her voice to do other things, knowing that it agitates her. Oh, did I say her voice? I meant using the voice of Merica Blindbeck, an anonymous person whose voice sounds VERY similar, but has given her full permission for its usage. You can fight a dub studio replacing your paid roles with AI. You can’t fight the Internet making memes. The once single upload video on one channel is now uploaded onto various channels and will surely be uploaded to more in the coming days. If this is the result “protecting her voice” I think the better option would have just been to keep quiet.
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Nobody was doing this. But she has effectively Streisand’d herself into having those types of things made over bringing excess attention to a harmless, unmonetized fan project. She may not have intended for this to turn into an attack, but ignorance of how the internet works doesn’t change the final result. Asking people to report the video emboldens die hard anti AI types to take a more aggressive approach, and then the AI fans perceive it as a full blown attack headed by the VA in question and respond with an attack of their own. Nobody in the scenario is right, but that’s how it goes. I wonder how VAs will react when people start using AI of their voices for SFM porn with characters they voiced. Cause that’s probably what’s coming next and also something that won’t be able to be controlled.
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Only 2 hours of anime, yet still vastly superior to any Toonami lineup from the past two years, maybe more. I wish it could be real. Toonami would really benefit from a direct competitor. When they are sucking, people can point at the other block that isn’t sucking. Motivation for them to do better. I’m honestly surprised that in 11 years, no one has even tried. Toonami had some high points where I think a competitor could look and say “hey we want some of that”.
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It sounds to me like she made a naive mistake and requested her followers report the video, not realizing people would take it as a battle cry to attack the uploader. Especially since it’s AI related, which is a hot button topic and will encourage people to get aggressive fast. She probably didn’t mean for this to happen this way, but not knowing isn’t an excuse. Requesting a DMCA takedown was the right course of action here and would have resulted in very little, if any pushback.
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I’m only talking about voice replication. Content being written by AI is actually much further down the road. Voice actors already had some protections in place that could be argued in court extend to AI. For example, a studio can’t record dialog once and just recycle it across multiple products without giving the VA some form of compensation. That’s good for video game adaptations of an anime so the game studio can’t just rip iconic lines from the anime for their game. VAs seem to think by simply saying they don’t allow people to use their voice to train AIs that it suddenly makes everyone stop. It doesn’t, and it never will. It stops major companies from training an AI with their voice to use in future projects, but it doesn’t stop a memelord from making memes for a laugh. Unless I’m not getting the facts, it looks like a meltdown to me. Here’s my TLDR on the situation, set me straight if I’m wrong - someone makes a non monetized Persona meme video using AI Erica voice - Erica requests that her followers attack the uploader - People retaliate and she quits Twitter after realizing not everyone is on her side on the matter. Absolutely comical to see someone like Little Kuriboh have an opinion on this topic when his entire claim to fame is using animation he did NOT have permission from the rights holder to use to make his YouTube series.
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You stated that it needed to be “nipped in the bud” and 3 years ago was when it was a bud. It’s now a full grown forest, and all people have is a handsaw to fight it. It’s not going away. I assumed we were talking about exclusively things AI could be used for to cause people problems, such as using their voice to say something racist or admit to some crime they are suspected of doing. Everything verbal now has to be taken with a grain of salt, especially if it’s coming from someone high profile who has ample voice clips that could be used to train an AI. Obviously, my mistake here was assuming common sense was common. I should have known better.
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You mean that thing where all of society had months and months of free time to jack around on the internet? Covid is a big reason this AI tech advanced as fast as it did, lots of people had time to sit down and work on it. Completely moving the goalposts from racist tirades to terroristic threats. Authorities will always treat terroristic threats with some level of legitimacy and follow up on them. AI is not giving people the ability to make threats, that’s existed since the telephone, and when you get caught, you go to jail. If a tape dropped tomorrow where Biden goes on a 10 minute rant about how much he hates black people, who would believe that? I don’t think even hardcore anti Biden types would believe it’s real rather than AI. If this technology was actually effective for that, weaponizing it politically would have been the first thing it was used for.
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The time for that was about 3 years ago when people were fighting an uphill battle to get Carl to say something even halfway passable. The tech, just like AI art, is widely available to the public now and advancing more every day. Another one not getting talked about as much because none of them are free - AI nudifiers. All it takes is one decent bikini picture off social media to create a convincing nude that the only way you could disprove is by putting out actual nudes. Expect to see more about that once they become free to use. In regards to this, I think this will have an opposite effect. Every person with a voice is going to have an Uncle Ruckus style clip with gratuitous use of the N-word. No one will believe any of them are real. Which mean, if someone famous actually does have an N word tape out there, it will also be easily waved off as an AI fake. Think about it like this, if Nixon were president today, the Watergate scandal would not have forced him to resign, he would just shrug it off as a fake. That’s where the real trouble will be, knowing it’s easy to make a fake means we have to assume everything we hear is fake.
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I can’t imagine any judge approving such a thing. How do you determine what a voice is? Are those Tiktok Roiland impersonators stealing intellectual property when they drop a IM MR MEESEEKS LOOK AT ME? There is 8 billion people on the planet, some are bound to sound similar. And if such a regulation ever passed, AI trainers would just claim the voice being used is a consenting individual that sounds very similar. People will always find a way around, it reminds me of when The Pokemon Company gave Diives shit for making Pokémon smut. Rather than stop, he just made a bunch of OC donut steel Pokemon that look near identical to the originals with different names and kept going. What makes this whole situation ridiculous is it was an UNMONETIZED video. And to my original point, calling attention to it like this made it significantly more popular over just ignoring it. And from what I gather from others, rather than doing a DMCA takedown like a normal person, she instead tried to mobilize her fans to attack the uploader. A lot of blunders here.
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How do you regulate it? You can stop corporations from abusing it, which is good, but most times when we see a VA meltdown like this, it’s over a fan project. There is no way you can regulate stuff like that. It might sound bad if you didn’t read it, which based on your response, you did not. I clearly stated if corporations use the technology to deprive VAs of roles, then there is a problem. A fan of a series training an AI to make a character say some kind of joke deprived no one of work, as it’s unlikely the person would have hired the person to say it themselves or if the VA would even be willing to say the lines in the first place. But please, offer up a solution that will stop random internet people from training AI voices. It would be a billion dollar idea minimum.
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I think one of the worst things VAs can do in the face of random people playing with AI voices is have a big meltdown like this. Pandora’s box is open, AI is never going back in the box. One of the first AI voices I saw people training years ago was Carl. I don’t know if Dave Willis has had an opinion on the matter, but he never made a big deal out of it either. And thus people had their laughs, got bored, and moved onto other toys to play with. Reacting like this leads to it never going away for that person. Now, if this was a dubbing studio using an AI clone of someone’s voice to do official voicework so they don’t have to pay the VA, that’s when it’s the right time to be upset. But randos on the Internet making your anime character say funny things? If the music industry can’t stop people from pirating music, there is no way to stop people from pirating your voice. And it’s not just VAs, there are people doing AIs for tons of famous people. I’m sure we have all heard the Trump/Biden/Obama CoD lobby AI. There is no stopping this.
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I think the origin story is more just set up for the first 2 episodes. That was a major speedrun, and I think that’s for the best. Superman is 85 years old, we know who these characters are and don’t need to waste precious time on a lengthy retelling of things we already know. As far as I can tell, there is no hard source material. They are using existing characters, and as far as antagonists go they will just be villains of the week. To me, this series feels like it’s trying to deviate away from the “what if Superman was an asshole” type of story that kind of hijacked the franchise. And building on that point, the moe moe flirty thing is by design. This is a Superman series meant to lure in some new people, not cater to the core audience. It was pretty clear it would be that way at announcement, the title gives it away. This is Lois’ show, not Superman’s. Remember, this was supposed to be a Cartoon Network show, and their intent was to appeal to other demographics.
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I checked it out, for the moment it’s passable. Still think it’s squandered on Adult Swim, but what can you do? This will definitely be a weird way to start off Toonami for a few months, the block has always been deprived of the SoL feat action style shows.
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7/15 Toonami Update: FLCL Reruns added
Toonamiguy321 replied to CountFrylock's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
That’s just one of their internal rules, there is nothing legally stopping them from doing that. And with AS expanding, we may see them extend out where they are willing to put MA content -
There are usually two key problems that all of them have. First, they miss what actually makes anime popular, and often times actually rebel against it. They think it’s just the style that carries it, not the substance. So you get something that looks like anime, but is painfully western when you actually sit down with it. The second is the people on the staff for these shows usually have extremely narrow anime knowledge. Ironically enough, mostly just stuff Toonami aired in its after school days, and maybe a dab of a recent FotM if it has extreme culture impact such as AoT. So when we get fake anime stuff like this, it’s ripping tired tropes from DBZ and Sailor Moon rather than things that weren’t out of date 30 years ago. They had a lot of extra space in that tweet they could have plugged Toonami with. If they are forcing us to run this crap instead of getting new shows at least give us a shout out. “MY ADVENTURES WITH SUPERMAN premiers tonight @ midnight, next day on @streamatmax. Also catch an encore at midnight Saturday night on #Toonami”
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7/15 Toonami Update: FLCL Reruns added
Toonamiguy321 replied to CountFrylock's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
Why not? It’s pretty tame all things considered, especially since it’s an OVA. With AS gaining more time, I could see it at 8pm. That’s two hours deep into the night, and I think the most notable piece of fanservice is Haruko’s ass in the towel. Everything else is just implications, like when Ninamori loses her pants. I mean, I doubt they would, just cause they want to keep all the anime contained on Toonami, but I don’t think it’s impossible. -
7/15 Toonami Update: FLCL Reruns added
Toonamiguy321 replied to CountFrylock's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
Just throwing it out there, that’s also roughly the time Punk Hazard runs out of episodes too. I don’t think AoT is something they would wait for a convenient time for though. When they can air it, they would clear the schedule to get it done. One of two things is happening, something behind the scenes is preventing its release (we know at minimum the dub was worked on, so it’s not that it’s dub is untouched), so either a dispute between CR and Toonami about who is entitled to the first run, or maybe they have to wait till part 2 for some reason. Or second option, Toonami is being unbelievably petty with their last leverage over Crunchyroll and just sitting on it for shits, knowing their contract allows them to do so. I highly doubt it, but it’s funny to think about. -
Maybe if Maki or Demarco actually said something on the matter this would be good advice. If you delay something year after year and never show any signs of any progress on it, it shouldn’t come as a shock that people start treating it as something that will never release. Coming out to the panel and immediately doing damage control like this instead of sharing some actual information certainly doesn’t inspire confidence.