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flcl FLCL Grunge Episode 1 Discussion!!
Toonamiguy321 replied to OwlChemist81's topic in Episode Discussion Archive
I like how he didn’t do the logical thing and actually link us to the person who did write it. Classic, Demarco brand half truths. “The show wasn’t written by someone from LA guys, they are actually from San Diego!” Even just one episode in its blatantly obvious it was written by an American who watched, but did not understand the original. Just references things that were memorable with zero context and the subtly of a brick through a window. I think there are a lot of people who have noticed it, and just refused to engage with it in any capacity. It’s not flying under the radar, many people see it’s blip, they are just choosing to ignore it.- 79 replies
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toonami Predict Toonami in September/October 2023
Toonamiguy321 replied to OwlChemist81's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
My thinking is the subbed premier won’t be “official”, it will be a bonus, low promotion experience. Kinda like Alternative on April Fools, just not a total secret like that was. I think the only reason a subbed run is even on the table is they simply don’t want to do another full year delay just because they can’t get the dub done for whatever reason. Once the dub is done, they will promote that as they would any other original and it airs as if the sub never did. Im thinking a subbed 1-4 premier on Halloween would be a compromise the higher ups would tolerate, Demarco gets to deliver Uzumaki, and the block only has one disaster ratings night on a dud night anyway rather than 4 separate nights. Then, when it’s ready, the dub premiers one episode per week as any other show would. As much as I’d like for us to just not have a marathon on the 28th, you just know we will. Ratings effects were debunked years ago but they still do the marathons because they are an opportunity to stretch content. And with Naruto burning at double the rate, they will take any excuse they can to save a weeks worth of episodes. I suppose a 10/7-10/28 run isn’t impossible, but is a lot less clean if they do the marathon as I expect them to. I’m skeptical of them waiting till Grunge is done just because of the sub premier. That’s not something they can rely on to headline, so it doesn’t make a lot of sense to wait and have half of Uzumaki leak outside of the appropriate month. -
toonami Predict Toonami in September/October 2023
Toonamiguy321 replied to OwlChemist81's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
9/30 is out, no changes to be seen. The 4 weeks of Uzumaki into a Halloween marathon theory is dead. Perhaps the subbed premier will be part of the Halloween marathon? As subbed content kills ratings, they may want it quarantined to a write off night. This also means Naruto is officially sped up by one week. The two prior weeks were making up for 2 weeks off. This is the break even night for OP though as it took an extra week off. -
Hey, no one said I’m defending the writing of this show. It’s garbage. But one of its unique aspects was its improv style. They criticize him coming in drunk to recordings, but why? It just makes drunk science man sound more real. These dudes on Tiktok shout “IM MR MEESEEKS LOOK AT ME!” in a way that wouldn’t exist without Roiland, and then think they have the chops to voice the entire show. There is so much more to voice work than the sound that comes out of your mouth. And I guarantee you 100% that Rick and Morty will never sound right again. It’s SUPPOSED to be “amateurish”, where Roiland sounds like he is just making the shit up in the booth rather than reading off a script. Every other character in the show is doing “proper” voice work where they read off a clearly defined script and don’t stall for time to think of something to say with an aww jeez or uh uh uh. It ain’t for everyone, but credit to them for doing something unique. Yes, Demarco hates fanservice, and is one of many examples why he isn’t fit to be in charge of making FLCL projects. Thats a valid criticism I stand by.
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He was barely writing for the show as is. If he was JUST a “writer” his removal from the show would be almost unnoticeable. Him being the voice of both main characters is why his removal will have such a huge impact. Lots of hacks can imitate his voice, but his true talent was the delivery and improv. I’d love to see these Tiktok imitators do some original lines, not just copy iconic ones. Nah, Demarco gives me plenty of ammo to bitch about, I don’t need to fabricate things to be angry about in regards to him.
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Is there anything more to be done? I feel like anyone turned on to One Piece by the Netflix adaptation is already spoiled by streaming culture and wouldn’t even consider trying to hop into the anime via Toonami. They don’t really have a good way to leverage having the anime into riding the live action coattails to better viewership.
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Believe it or not, I was just about to edit my comment as it just clicked with me that he was suggesting if people were accusing Demarco, not if Demarco was the one making accusations. And you know what, I still wouldn’t believe them. For all Demarco’s flaws, never once have I felt he had an issue keeping his dick in his pants. If something came out, I’d be genuinely shocked because there hasn’t been a single sign.
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So what you are saying is, for multiple years the people who put on cons knew Vic was allegedly a creep, but still phoned him up to be a headliner at the con? Something doesn’t add up there. Either various con staff are complicit in aiding Vic, or the accusations are heavily overblown and the con staff disregarded them.
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One simple word, Oda. You have the script writers and actors there with Oda to ask questions. Is this characterization correct? Is the story flow acceptable? Are these plot points small enough that we can omit them? And so on and so forth. It really seems like that’s all it takes. You also have Oda there to put a swift stop to bad things. Should this character spew memes? No. Should we change story elements to push an agenda? No. Should a character say “welcome to the ouch”? No. For a secondary factor, I feel like the entire staff of this genuinely likes One Piece and wants to make a product Oda will be proud of. Compare with Bebop where it seemed like some of the staff just resented anime in general.
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Because I remember the internet in the mid to late 00s. Finding fanfiction about the authors self insert and Vic McNuggets was not uncommon. We can’t just blindly believe what claims anonymous people make as there is no way to verify their legitimacy, and since they are anonymous, they are at zero risk for repercussions if they made the entire thing up. Cancel culture makes situations like this hard to work with without hard evidence. Twitter decided one day it was socially acceptable to shit on Vic, come forward with whatever stories you like, Vic is certified “bad” so make shit up if you feel like it, people will just blindly believe it, and also turn a blind eye if you get caught telling lies.
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None of which can actually be proven, and when opportunity arose to come forward under oath, no one did. Vic was the 00s weeb girl wet dream, a lot of accusations come off as memories the person WISHED happened, not what actually happened. That’s what most Vic stories are. “I heard Vic did X at a con from my friend”. You would think if Vic was the blight on cons rumors suggest he was, they would have stopped inviting him to them a decade ago.
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This seems very strategic, one month before the new voice reveal, drop some new “evidence” to help justify not giving him his roles back in R&M. I still stand in the camp that text messages are one of the easiest things to fake, and we have already had one accuser recant their accusations. Strangely, Scott Freeman actually did a couple more roles with Funi after his charges. I suppose it could have been stuff that was already recorded and they just didn’t want to bother redoing it all, I don’t believe any were huge roles. In comparison, he was immediately tossed out of Highschool DxD, which unfortunately was bundled with Teri Rogers departure which made people ask even more questions. Anyway, I believe Scott Freeman was forced by law to relocate to another state, and if you aren’t in Texas or New York, good luck getting any voice work, even without charges like that hanging over your head. Kind of an apples to oranges comparison though. Freeman actually had the content on his computer. Hard evidence of his crimes. Vic and Roiland is all hearsay with a bunch of shoddy evidence that either of them actually did anything wrong.
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You are correct, quite a few episodes in fact did worse than this, which is why I had such low expectations for this on top of the excessive delay. Not a bad night, but before I cheer for Grunge I want to see it’s week 2. If I’m remembering right, HCC also had a decent premier episode, followed up by 3 bombs.
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Bro has been saying repeatedly she has ducked and dodged drug tests, and y’all just keep glossing over that little bit as if it’s not some level of proof. If you have ever had a job with drug tests, if you say “I don’t wanna” they let your ass go because the reason you don’t want to 99% of the time is cause it’s gonna come up positive. Pretty much every person on earth has one arm that’s stronger than the other. That’s normal. It actually being visibly different is not. That’s why this joke worked. Contrary to what you seem to believe, beating your dick isn’t actually a workout.
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You are acting like people don’t do the exact same thing to male athletes who have abnormally large muscles. Not even just athletes, you think The Rock slips by without accusations of roid use? You don’t get arms like that at the gym. This is such a bizarre thing for multiple people to be aggressively defensive about.
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toonami Predict Toonami in September/October 2023
Toonamiguy321 replied to OwlChemist81's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
It seems that the hour helping of OP and Naruto is not just for next week, and will continue until further notice according to TV Passport -
First FLCL Grunge reviews - IT STINKS!
Toonamiguy321 replied to Jman's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
Only because with a few small tweaks, it wouldn’t be FLCL at all, and rather a 6 episode teen girl drama. Haruko shows up periodically to do something wacky to remind you that you are watching FLCL, and then leaves to let the rest of the cast work. If Demarco wasn’t so dead set on desecrating the corpse of FLCL he would probably have a bundle of passable mini series. -
First FLCL Grunge reviews - IT STINKS!
Toonamiguy321 replied to Jman's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
I don’t think anyone needed to see more than the trailer to determine that this would be garbage. And if places like IGN and ANN are willing to have a “it’s bad” headline, it has to be REALLY bad. Nostalgiabait garbage will usually get a meh review at worst. Can’t wait to see Demarco do damage control on this for the next few months. -
They can’t get anything else, they gotta act like this is the greatest thing on earth, because from their perspective it has to be.
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toonami Predict Toonami in September/October 2023
Toonamiguy321 replied to OwlChemist81's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
Fire Force had kind of a weird announcement where everything it was doing was bundled with Dr Stone. The two shows have absolutely zero to do with each other, but summer 2019 articles paired the two together constantly. I assume that’s what put it on their radar since Dr Stone likely caught their eye. There are a lot of slightly older skewing shonen from different magazines that would have been a better fit for the block than most Jump shows that they never gave a look. Fire Force was in the right place at the right time, and because Toonami got it so quickly, its fanservice didn’t get a chance to scare Demarco away from it. -
toonami Predict Toonami in September/October 2023
Toonamiguy321 replied to OwlChemist81's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
Zom 100 isn’t a Jump title, so how do we know it would even be on their radar? Even years prior when things were easier? So often we see a hot seasonal show, discuss it as something Toonami would go for, only to learn that Demarco doesn’t even know what it is. I’m open to anything fresh, that just doesn’t seem like something that would be on their radar. The question in this scenario would boil down to how they buy the show. If they buy it by the arc, then they have over 100 episodes of Dressrosa locked in according to the 9/16 schedule. Or, maybe 50 or so if Dressrosa is cut in half purchase wise. If the early theory that they bought a flat 150 episode order is true, they might be boned a little faster if the price goes up. -
toonami Predict Toonami in September/October 2023
Toonamiguy321 replied to OwlChemist81's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
How many times do we have to do this? Demarco very clearly stated he is still involved when it comes to picking and acquiring shows. Every other problem the block has falls on Gill. Which thinking about it, around the time Demarco said Gill was in charge is about the same time bumpers stopped going 10 months without change, so it seems he may actually be an upgrade in that respect. Nowhere in my post was the word “free” used. I’m not expecting handouts here, but if there were partnerships, distributors could help the block find shows in their catalog within their budget. And what kind of bizzaro mental gymnastics are you trying to work here to tie the blocks disastrous state in 2023 to the pandemic? 2020? 2021? Ok. Both of those years were better than 2023, but yes, somehow the pandemic that is in the rear view for most people is why 2023 Toonami sucks. Now is as good a time as any to remind the class that Toonami had THREE timeslot cuts in 2020 before Covid was official. Plague or no plague, this block was losing a lot of meat in 2020.