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Still 3 weeks out, things have and can change at a moments notice. But, it could also be that this won’t replace Outlaw Star either and could still be an expansion show whenever. We should get an anncouncenent about that replacement very soon!

We won’t know specifically. I assumed that based on AS being still considered a high rated cable network and Demarcos statements that their decline is not happening as fast as other networks leads me to believe it’s an across the board thing. The numbers are obviously not the same thing, but as Alchemist said, it’s about what the network considers valuable in the current market. Advertisers and networks have to accept the new reality with viewership decline and if said decline is across the board everyone has an overall smaller pie to have a piece of. It’s still about outpacing other similar targeted demographics on other networks. Obviously these numbers would be horrible a few years ago. But now Family Guy can barely get over a million on Saturday and it was getting nearly 2 million a few years ago. I also think delayed viewing is more of a thing now than ever before (a few weeks ago Super rose up to a 0.8 18-49 in Live 7!).its probably more of a thing for the block than with those comedy reruns! But yeah, I was mostly going for perceived value to the network and what realistic viewing figures

According to Facebook, the Toonami stream is getting an update. They’ll mix in the current episode of Preflight with the marathon, I thought they did that already? Monday they’ll be streaming Outlaw Star! Maybe they’ll either be going beyond 5 episodes or they’ll switch the show out more often. We’ll see...

Did you guys know that if you go back through programming insider, you can follow the links to the exact week a year prior? It also has the statistic of how much the network is down or up a year ago. Clicking back to 2015, the network as a whole is down 43 percent! That means a show that got around 1 million viewers in 2015 is more likely to get around 570,000 today. There are other factors of course (the shows and time slots are different from them so it’s not all equal) but if you only take the drop in network viewership into account these are the number “adjusted for deflation” Super-1,757,894 Kai-1,366,666 Clover-1,101,754 Jojo-908,772 IBO- 784,2111 HxH-771,923 Naruto-801,754 Outlaw-615,790 Dandy-535,088 Bebop-533,333 Ghost-514,035 Also consider that the block airs earlier now. The ratings seem to follow wherever the block moves and the drops generally follow the same pattern depending on the shows position in the lineup so we’d probavly have something similar even if the block was at midnight. This isn’t an exact science, it’s just some perspective.

Here's something interesting: despite Clover streaming the closed caption subtitles are for Lupin the 3rd. Thats probably what they were supposed to stream this week.

Toonami just isn’t the main destination for things like it used to be because of the availability of simulcasts. Back when DBZ first aired, most viewers were all only getting it from Toonami and were experiencing it the same way. We followed the story only through the dub broadcast because that’s all that was available. Because of the way things are distributed now, things can never be that way again except for World Premeires. It was so strange to me last year talking with my friends at work about a show currently airing on the block (Titan) and none of them were watching Toonami nor has any interest in waiting for the dub. It’s becoming more of a second run theater for things since more people have no issue watching the subs. But it’s still a great way for a different audience to see things they may not have watched other wise. It’s just for the really popular things, you lose a lot of the potential audience (people who are really into anime)to the sub and it’s not new to them anymore. What you have left are casual viewers, but you also get people who care about the Toonami experience who will watch it again in English. The block serves slot of different audiences, but people just have more options now than before, which isn’t a bad thing at all! What the block can do is more things like Jack and FLCL mixed in with some popular shows, potential diamonds in the rough, and some classics. Demarco has indicated this is the direction they are headed in, but it would be great to get some announcements soon about what may be coming. I hope we get another original announced soon!

It’s a cost vs. benefit thing. Taking ad space away on their own networks hurts them a little but outside the networks probably costs more than what they think the minimum return would be. Toonami’s strategy has always seemed to get shows as cheap as possible for minimal promotion for the most profit. If they started running ads all over the place outside the network,it’s more money spent and could put the block in the red. That being said it would be great if the distributors could promote the shows a little more via banners/YouTube in places where anime fans go. For instance, there was an ad for Lupin at the recent screening of Castle and it said episodes where airing dubbed on Toonami. No one had no idea in the audience there was a new show and it was airing on TV here. It would be to the distributors advantage to promote since it would increase awareness of their product and their pockets for advertising are probably deeper than ToonamisToonami’s

It looks even better when you take out things that didn’t even air in Toonami. Its cool we are seeing how Two and a Half Men is doing since it’s treated as a premiere right now and is one of the things actually going head to head with the block!

Unfortunately getting ads where they really count (outside the network) costs more than they are willing to spend

Looks like Super beat Family Guy in both total viewers and in 18-49 (990k vs 931k and 0.47 vs 0.48) I also attached a restoring of the showbuzz spreadsheet by 18-34 if anyone’s interested in that!

I knew something was up with Rick and Morty beating Family Guy across the board. It may be wrong, but its possible it still won. I guess we’ll never know

It did! http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-nfl-honors-nbc-gets-slight-increase-last-year/

Maybe now that it’s on Roku and other TV streaming apps they could be gearing up for something new I posted this on Reddit but this is what I want to see: I was hoping a few years ago that they would run a daily block of like 4 shows they have the rights to that aren’t currently airing on the block. They would post a schedule for the week.Everyday they could change the episodes and simulate what an on air daily Toonami block would be like. They could rotate something else in when one thing ends. If they wanted to they could run earlier episodes of something they currently have to like HxH, Jojo, IBO or Super.This thing with the marathons was good when they would run the whole series in a week, but now they barely ever go beyond the same 5 episodes in a week. I wish they’d get more creative with it

Not sure what new show could turn it around. I personally want sonething fresh. I dropped Stardust already and I’m about to do the same with HxH. Believe it or not Clover and IBO are what I’m liking right now. I want something to get excited about. I just really hope the mystery show isn’t Star Blazers, thats not the kind of show to kick things up. I hope they get Franxx it ReZero!

I know we've talked about this before, but do you really think its a good idea to lead off the block with FLCL? I think its kinda out there and might erode Super's potential audience. There's alot of synergy between Family Guy's audience and Super and I think FLCL just screams "ANIME!!!" and could drive that audience away. Plus the content might be a little too much for prime time. I think it's probably best served in the 11:00 hour.

Nick at Nite, TBS, and MTV(recovering ) seem to be doing well still, but besides that, alot of people would probably realize how far basic cable has fallen in the last few years.

At least they got some of Netflix's money for those Godzilla commericals!

I mean, yeah, there's nothing WE can do about this. We're not the problem, we actually watch the block. Its really up to them to do something about this if it concerns them, if it doesn't, then whatever, we keep watching them block anyway.

I guess lets just see how the rest of the night panned out. I hope the crew just does whatever they have to do to keep the ship afloat. If they don't do anything, then I suppose they think its alright. What concerns me is just how fast the viewership erodes following Super. That show is still averaging a million a week. It seems we no longer have people who look at the block as a weekly event. Before, we'd usually lose half the viewers by the end of the night, not in the first 2 hours. Its almost the same numbers wise, but not percentage wise.

I don't know what to think anymore. Jojo and Gundam should probably move later at this point. I wonder how HxH and the rest did? If they gain on those shows, then somethings wrong here. While Mitch seems pretty keen on providing Toonami data, I've seen him just straight up be mean to people who ask him things.

They probably would do better than this if they Ran the DB Hour, Naruro, Jack S5, encored the DB hour, and ended the night with Bebop! I hope whatever show they are working on getting brings some viewers back. But maybe Dragonball is all this audience wants.

Yeah, the audience wants what it wants. If Naruto holds DBZ better than all the other shows can, put it there. To me it feels more natural to go from the light shonen stuff to the dark violent stuff (Jojo, Gundam, and sort of HxH now) to Naruto.

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-1-27-2018.html I know they say ratings don’t matter as much anymore.. but I never thought I’d see 300k viewers in the midnight hour! But to be fair, Nick at Nite has a bunch of cable premieres of decade old episodes of Two and a Half Men going (800k at 1am). Good luck taking that on Toonami??.

Naruto is just one of those shows people just watch like DBZ. These filler episodes, while light and simple, are all episodic and not difficult to follow at all. Even the heavy on plot canon episodes do well and this year outperform the show proceeding it. It seems to have a built in audience and will boost the back end a little when it plays at 1:30.

Makes me think that they need to Re-merge AS and CN, put Lazzo, Manning, and Demarco in charge of the whole thing. Make it an all ages channel with a young adult focus with obviously mature content at night. It seems they lost the battle for the kids. Maybe that’s not good for Nielsen though, I don’t know?