Anybody here familiar with hair follicle tests?

[PhilosipherStoned]

Over the years I've done a lot of digging into drug testing specifics since Marijuana has such a long detection time, but I have never once had to actually take a hair follicle test. I know there's a lot of rumors or legends out there that a hair strand can throw a positive if you smoked heavily years ago, and that it's so much more fine tuned..but in all the research into it I've done it seems like it's not as exact as a lot of people think. 

Here's the situation. I've went pretty much all year without smoking, and passed 2 urine tests and a swab test so far, but about a week and a half ago I decided to buy a $20, and pretty much split that in half with a friend since he usually gives it to me for free anyway. Today the company I've been working for through a temp agency decided to hire me, and HR just gave me the form to go get a hair follice test done a few hours ago when I got done with my shift. That clinic closes in a half an hour so I'm probably just going to wait until tomorrow to go anyway. I got off at 3pm, and that clinic closes at 6 so that didn't give me much time to get it done anyway. If they ask why I didn't do it yesterday I'll say I had a situation I had to take care of at home, and by the time I was done it was too late to get in. 

With urine tests I'm usually golden, and I've passed those with less days to cleanse than I already have under my belt this time, but the fact I've never had a hair follicle, and the data I'm getting about them is so varying  makes me incredibly nervous. A lot of info I'm reading says that hair follicle tests suck at detecting infrequent users at all though, and like I said I just smoked a little skimp $10 sack of some dirt weed a week ago, and that's all I've smoked this year. What do you think my chances are? I'm hoping someone here has some real experience with hair tests, and how they relate to pot.. 

 

Edited March 19, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[Seight]

Welp, it's time for STORY TIME WITH SEIGHT!

A former coworker told me a story once about not being confident in his own ability to pass a hair follicle test so he came up with the "genius" idea to take a strand of hair from another coworker and have the tester somehow pull that one out instead. At which point he obviously asked, "Well, what if they don't pick that one?" 

And he said "Well I'm probably going to fail the test then?" (Ron Howard voice: He did.)

[PhilosipherStoned]

37 minutes ago, Seight said:

Welp, it's time for STORY TIME WITH SEIGHT!

A former coworker told me a story once about not being confident in his own ability to pass a hair follicle test so he came up with the "genius" idea to take a strand of hair from another coworker and have the tester somehow pull that one out instead. At which point he obviously asked, "Well, what if they don't pick that one?" 

And he said "Well I'm probably going to fail the test then?" (Ron Howard voice: He did.)

Well at least I'm smart enough to not try that. I've already washed all the hair on my body with two types of shampoo, and even used a little of two types of bleach in the process. I don't recommend you try that at home unless your careful though. Vinegar is suggested to help this process too... I might use a few more chemicals, but I'm definitely not going overboard since there's a good chance it doesn't even affect the test. Some say cutting the hair off and obstaining is the only way.. Of course there are insanely expensive shampoos marketed for this kind of thing, but I haven't the time nor the funds to be expirimenting with that crap. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[PhilosipherStoned]

I'm still nervous as fuck. Why the hell do they do pre-employment hair follicle tests to work as a "packing helper" at a freaking flour mill. 

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

Shave your head and tell them the reason for that was because you found you had lice.

[PhilosipherStoned]

I've heard the testers will just take the hair from other places on your body. Lol I mean shaving my whole body is an option a guess, but it's pretty much a dead give away as well, and I've heard the SOP is to turn people away or even fail them if they show up completely shaved.. I just wish I had a better idea of what my chances are.. 

I've read It takes a week + for smoked thc to make it's way into your hair follicles, and the one time I smoked this year was a small amount I got on the 6th..but I smoked bowls of it for 3 or 4 days that week. I mean I think there's at least some chance I'll pass. I just want a better idea before tomorrow afternoon. 

[André Toulon]

Ur fukt 

[helpme]

4 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said:

I've heard the testers will just take the hair from other places on your body. Lol I mean shaving my whole body is an option a guess, but it's pretty much a dead give away as well, and I've heard the SOP is to turn people away or even fail them if they show up completely shaved.. I just wish I had a better idea of what my chances are.. 

I've read It takes a week + for smoked thc to make it's way into your hair follicles, and the one time I smoked this year was a small amount I got on the 6th..but I smoked bowls of it for 3 or 4 days that week. I mean I think there's at least some chance I'll pass. I just want a better idea before tomorrow afternoon. 

Extreme detox

[NaBarney]

Honestly I think you're probably good. 

[PhilosipherStoned]

Your reasoning? @André Toulon

Edited March 19, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[PhilosipherStoned]

4 minutes ago, Nablotson said:

Honestly I think you're probably good. 

Part of me wants to just stop worrying, but the rest of me is eye balling all of the people saying "If you smoked ANY amount of pot in the last 3 months+  you're fucked "... Everytime I'm worried about a drug test I start scrolling through stoner forums and scyring everywhere for all the info.

I'm going to try this I think to be safe..

https://detoxmarijuanafast.com/jerry-g-method-review

and/or this.

https://www.theihcc.com/macujo-method-review-pass-hair-follicle-drug-test-guaranteed/

Edited March 19, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[PhilosipherStoned]

Don't know about obtaining those expensive..and shady shampoos though.. At least in time. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[discolé monade]

have never had that done. 

but funny story, apparently if you drink a shit ton of water daily, you can test 'negative dilute' and ask to reapply in 6 months. 

true story. 

[cyberbully]

15 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said:

Your reasoning? @André Toulon

I dunno, I'm just fucking with you.

Honestly, the only time I've ever failed a drug test is when I tried to cheat it.....Found out I was pregnant.

even after smoking the night before, I just go piss and they call me back and say I'm cool.....I am not even playing a little bit.  I've taken 8 (2 swab tests which I hear are shitty anyway) and only flunked the one where I used that pregnant chick's piss.

[discolé monade]

did you look this up? because i don't think you're going to be happy about this. 

Hair testing

Hair follicle tests assess drug use for up to  90 days. After use, weed reaches the hair follicles via small blood vessels. Trace amounts may remain in the hair.

Since hair grows approximately 0.5 inches per month, a 1.5-inch hair segment taken close to the scalp can provide a window of weed use for the past three months.

Edited March 19, 2020 by discolemonade

[PhilosipherStoned]

1 hour ago, discolemonade said:

did you look this up? because i don't think you're going to be happy about this. 

Hair testing

Hair follicle tests assess drug use for up to  90 days. After use, weed reaches the hair follicles via small blood vessels. Trace amounts may remain in the hair.

Since hair grows approximately 0.5 inches per month, a 1.5-inch hair segment taken close to the scalp can provide a window of weed use for the past three months.

I did. That just means it detects use up to 90 days prior, but like I said it detects heavy or habitual users more so since thc metabolites  build up and stick in the hair follicles.. I fade my hair at least twice a month for the national guard, and I've only smoked what would amount to 2 or 3 full sized blunts this entire year, and I even shared my par that I divided up with the guy I was smoking with.. I'm only concerned because it has only been a week tops since I smoked. 

A lot of info I've read says "infrequent users" have a pretty good chance of going undetected. Think of the hair strands like a trees rings. If you smoke everyday, and rarely cut your hair those strands are going to have some brilliant thc metabolite rings. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[PhilosipherStoned]

I've seen a lot of shit like this even from more scientific sources..

“One of the stand-out benefits of hair drug testing is its sensitivity and its long window of detection of up to 3 months of prior drug use. Because of this, hair testing is often referred to as a ‘lifestyle test.’ However, that long look-back window is not necessarily the best way to detect a single instance of drug use in scenarios like post-accident testing. Instead, hair testing is more informative of a repeated pattern of drug usage during the broader detection window. The detection of a single drug-use event is complicated by the extremely small percentage of the total dose incorporated into the growing hair during that single use event.”

I'm still sweatin' I'm not going to sleep easy tonight with the dread of not knowing if I'll pass. Plus since this paper was dated for today now I have to make an excuse for why I didn't go there after I got off work, but with the flour mill being located like 7-10 miles out of town, and that clinic closing in just 2-1/2hrs after they gave me the paper I should be able to make an excuse. Going to be shampooing and bleaching my hair every chance I get within.. practicality..

I'm not trying to destroy that shit, and smoking a few bowls of regi over a few days shouldn't allow for there to be a high concentration of thc in my hair follicles anyway. I'm just so nervous since this is the first time I've been required to do a hair follicle.. With no actual experience passing one after recently smoking there is no way for me to know for sure. Wish me luck. 

[PhilosipherStoned]

*Also for the sake of this thread topic, and the science of drug testing, and knowing what happens when labs violate your shit it takes 5-10+ days for recent cannabis use to metabolize it's way into the area of the hair follicle closest to your scalp.. It depends a lot on the speed your hair grows, and your type of hair. 

Personally I think even urine tests are unethical, but hair follicles definitely are in my opinion  and unless you are applying for something critical like DOT, aviation, and things like that employers shouldn't even be allowed to require hair follicle tests. Even urine tests constitute a breach of privacy since both give the tester way more information about the donor than whether or not they smoked a blunt in the last month. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[PhilosipherStoned]

been taking notes lol.. I guess you can't say I didn't study for this test at least. 

 

[PhilosipherStoned]

 

[molarbear]

5 hours ago, PhilosipherStoned said:

Over the years I've done a lot of digging into drug testing specifics since Marijuana has such a long detection time, but I have never once had to actually take a hair follicle test. I know there's a lot of rumors or legends out there that a hair strand can throw a positive if you smoked heavily years ago, and that it's so much more fine tuned..but in all the research into it I've done it seems like it's not as exact as a lot of people think. 

Here's the situation. I've went pretty much all year without smoking, and passed 2 urine tests and a swab test so far, but about a week and a half ago I decided to buy a $20, and pretty much split that in half with a friend since he usually gives it to me for free anyway. Today the company I've been working for through a temp agency decided to hire me, and HR just gave me the form to go get a hair follice test done a few hours ago when I got done with my shift. That clinic closes in a half an hour so I'm probably just going to wait until tomorrow to go anyway. I got off at 3pm, and that clinic closes at 6 so that didn't give me much time to get it done anyway. If they ask why I didn't do it yesterday I'll say I had a situation I had to take care of at home, and by the time I was done it was too late to get in. 

With urine tests I'm usually golden, and I've passed those with less days to cleanse than I already have under my belt this time, but the fact I've never had a hair follicle, and the data I'm getting about them is so varying  makes me incredibly nervous. A lot of info I'm reading says that hair follicle tests suck at detecting infrequent users at all though, and like I said I just smoked a little skimp $10 sack of some dirt weed a week ago, and that's all I've smoked this year. What do you think my chances are? I'm hoping someone here has some real experience with hair tests, and how they relate to pot.. 

 

My old company use to do them, I never asked but the two rumors were supposedly 8 months or however long that hair has been on your body

They don't take just one hair either

The first time the lady went through my hair with a flat razor and took it from random spots so it would blend and I wouldn't have random bald spots on my head

2nd time they told me my hair was too short and handed me a razor and made me dry shave a spot on my body, I went with my leg

[PhilosipherStoned]

So you had to do two diff. tests @molarbear? I never asked, but I'm fairly certain you don't toke. At least not in any way regularly so I'm sure you were fine. I mean I'm trying to get past rumors.. There are labs, and testers out there that can give a crazy time line of drug use through hair follicle testing from what I've been reading, but I'm pretty sure this company just mandates the most basic 90 day hair follicle for basic empoyees. 

[molarbear]

8 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said:

So you had to do two diff. tests @molarbear? I never asked, but I'm fairly certain you don't toke. At least not in any way regularly so I'm sure you were fine. I mean I'm trying to get past rumors.. There are labs, and testers out there that can give a crazy time line of drug use through hair follicle testing from what I've been reading, but I'm pretty sure this company just mandates the most basic 90 day hair follicle for basic empoyees. 

Yeap, once when I got hired and then about 8 months later.  They also made me do urine tests at the same time as the hair test, kind of seemed pointless to me but I wasn't paying for them

I did, but I stopped about 10 years ago.  It stopped being fun and I just got real paranoid when I did it

I wouldn't worry too much about it

[PhilosipherStoned]

You don't think those bowls of bottom..and I do mean bottom shelf regi...

Literally the brick shit where half of it is stems/seeds that I smoked last week is going to fail me?

[PhilosipherStoned]

I mean the pipe I use fits a little joint worth in it prolly, and I loaded it up after work last week a good bit. Since I cut it almost in half and shared with a dude it only lasted like maybe 3 or 4 days though, and only lasted that long because I worked all week.. It wasn't that much I just toked after work out of a bowl a few days last week. With urinalysis I've passed under worst circumstances I'm just trippin' about a hair follicle. 

I've been reproccessing flour, and breaking a sweat doing it tossing 50 pound flour bags into a hopper so that's good to cleanse my system for a urine test. I've been trying to exercise on top of that. I just don't think any of the normal shit like that I do does as much to help pass a hair follicle test... Hopefully it's just starting to enter my hair follicles, and it being my first time this year I'm also hoping it's not substantial enough to make a positive. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[PhilosipherStoned]

*Poors vinegar on head* The shit you do for work.. 

[discolé monade]

11 hours ago, PhilosipherStoned said:

I did. That just means it detects use up to 90 days prior, but like I said it detects heavy or habitual users more so since thc metabolites  build up and stick in the hair follicles.. I fade my hair at least twice a month for the national guard, and I've only smoked what would amount to 2 or 3 full sized blunts this entire year, and I even shared my par that I divided up with the guy I was smoking with.. I'm only concerned because it has only been a week tops since I smoked. 

A lot of info I've read says "infrequent users" have a pretty good chance of going undetected. Think of the hair strands like a trees rings. If you smoke everyday, and rarely cut your hair those strands are going to have some brilliant thc metabolite rings. 

i hope you're right. i think testing for weed these days is just stupid. 

[cyberbully]

Let's say you get this job......Can you even go to it?

[PhilosipherStoned]

5 hours ago, cyberbully said:

Let's say you get this job......Can you even go to it?

I've already been working the job for 2 weeks through a temp agency. Them hiring me themselves just means I do the same job and get paid $4 dollars more an hour. Of course if I fail this test I'm probably done with them and that temp agency not sure.

[cyberbully]

2 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said:

I've already been working the job for 2 weeks through a temp agency. Them hiring me themselves just means I do the same job and get paid $4 dollars more an hour. Of course if I fail this test I'm probably done with them and that temp agency not sure.

Ok, I'll try this again with extra words.  If you get the job, will the company hiring you on still be operating and not laying people off due to lack of work during the corona scare?

[PhilosipherStoned]

Ohh.. All they did was have a safety brief, and tell people how to wash there hands and to avoid contact as much as possible.. Also had a little educationl vid  about the structure of the virus, and how it operates.This flour plant makes Mission tortillas and other products at some stage I think. It's a pretty  well to do plant and company for what it is.. In the brief they said they are supposed to bring in extra sanitation workers or at least measures.. I think they are going to be hosing shit down regularly and "sanatizing" shit, but even if they postpone operation it's good to try to get my foot in the door. 

[André Toulon]

27 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said:

Ohh.. All they did was have a safety brief, and tell people how to wash there hands and to avoid contact as much as possible.. Also had a little educationl vid  about the structure of the virus, and how it operates.This flour plant makes Mission tortillas and other products at some stage I think. It's a pretty  well to do plant and company for what it is.. In the brief they said they are supposed to bring in extra sanitation workers or at least measures.. I think they are going to be hosing shit down regularly and "sanatizing" shit, but even if they postpone operation it's good to try to get my foot in the door. 

I wasn't trying to discourage you. By all means, secure that bag....we are all gonna need it. I was just wondering as shit seems to get worse if they might abruptly pull the plug.

[PhilosipherStoned]

They might before it's all said and done that's hard to say.... Factories, and plants would be the last to go anyway though I I'd think. Imagine if Walmart and other big shopping centers shut down their distribution centers... No more TP for yalls greedy ass bungholes...