death_by_motorboat Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) no one in our country has ever talked about and im guessing never will. it ranks really high on the controversial and is extremely socialist, but had to be considered to at least as a non-issue. its probably about as weird as population control and euthanasia to some people but its not that bad and its not any kind of implimentation or problem with everyday life but it would greatly control the fate of millions eventually, and sociologists knew. the government may never benefit from supporting millions of people through welfare programs. there are many departments of government concerned with people that cant work or are getting back to work. there are more people working than not working, and the issue usually arises that each person would want to be self supportive and free of government assistance. the money that goes into that system effects everything, taxes, budgets, health care, food stamps, cash, or w/e. but they dont know about the millions of people NOT looking for work or will NOT ever work again because of disability or inability, and the downfall of eventually having more people being supported than the government can possibly pay. so do the other programs working WITH welfare benefit? because then it pays for itself. if the other programs are nearly 100% successful they gain all the tax money and human resources on those employers. people get jobs, its a great thing. so if welfare didnt pay for itself is the paradox.would society fall and genocide people because eventually there would be nothing to share and we would have to turn to death and starve, or eat each other? truth is, welfare pays for itself. people pay taxes their whole lives and only a percentage of them use welfare. most people are paid way ahead on welfare taxes. theres still the catch if you never paid taxes and collect. im sorry i told you its controversial and some of you probably think im inhumane for talking about this. Edited May 23, 2018 by mumbo13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.....I'm not sure if you're against government aid or trying to find a way to make it profitable to individuals not getting it.....What are you saying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, mumbo13 said: no one in our country has ever talked about and im guessing never will. it ranks really high on the controversial and is extremely socialist, but had to be considered to at least as a non-issue. its probably about as weird as population control and euthanasia to some people but its not that bad and its not any kind of implimentation or problem with everyday life but it would greatly control the fate of millions eventually, and sociologists knew. the government may never benefit from supporting millions of people through welfare programs. there are many departments of government concerned with people that cant work or are getting back to work. there are more people working than not working, and the issue usually arises that each person would want to be self supportive and free of government assistance. the money that goes into that system effects everything, taxes, budgets, health care, food stamps, cash, or w/e. but they dont know about the millions of people NOT looking for work or will NOT ever work again because of disability or inability, and the downfall of eventually having more people being supported than the government can possibly pay. so do the other programs working WITH welfare benefit? because then it pays for itself. if the other programs are nearly 100% successful they gain all the tax money and human resources on those employers. people get jobs, its a great thing. so if welfare didnt pay for itself is the paradox. would society fall and genocide people because eventually there would be nothing to share and we would have to turn to death and starve, or eat each other? truth is, welfare pays for itself. people pay taxes their whole lives and only a percentage of them use welfare. most people are paid way ahead on welfare taxes. theres still the catch if you never paid taxes and collect. im sorry i told you its controversial and some of you probably think im inhumane for talking about this. I'm not following you on some things. Quote so do the other programs working WITH welfare benefit? What other programs are you talking about? And in what ways would these programs be working with welfare? How do these programs (whatever they are) working together equate to welfare paying for itself? Edited May 23, 2018 by Doom Metal Alchemist completed thought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Derrick Foreal said: I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.....I'm not sure if you're against government aid or trying to find a way to make it profitable to individuals not getting it.....What are you saying. in one sentence im saying: the government might not have enough money to pay for its own social programs one day. and the paradox is would that make the country fall apart? is it a system that will doom and bankrupt us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opium Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) This reads like an incoherent cumshot Edited May 23, 2018 by Opium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: I'm not following you on some things. What other programs are you talking about? And in what ways would these programs be working with welfare? How do these programs (whatever they are) working together equate to welfare paying for itself? but i didnt really expect this to be for me to answer tedious questions its just a statement, ok? https://www.google.com/search?q=prgrams+that+work+with+welfare&oq=prgrams+that+work+with+welfare&aqs=chrome..69i57.5063j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Opium said: This reads like an incoherent cumshot thats because youre bored with all the fucking truth in it. lazy piece of shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opium Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 You're certainly right on the money about the boredom part. Not quite convinced of the rest, but it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, mumbo13 said: but i didnt really expect this to be for me to answer tedious questions its just a statement, ok? https://www.google.com/search?q=prgrams+that+work+with+welfare&oq=prgrams+that+work+with+welfare&aqs=chrome..69i57.5063j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 If I don't understand, should I just leave the thread then? By the way, the results you posted don't match the intended search terms. So thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mumbo13 said: but i didnt really expect this to be for me to answer tedious questions its just a statement, ok? https://www.google.com/search?q=prgrams+that+work+with+welfare&oq=prgrams+that+work+with+welfare&aqs=chrome..69i57.5063j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 If you didn't want to answer tedious questions, then try fabricating coherent thoughts and practice sentence structure. Edited May 23, 2018 by Derrick Foreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: I'm not following you on some things. What other programs are you talking about? And in what ways would these programs be working with welfare? How do these programs (whatever they are) working together equate to welfare paying for itself? disability programs called vocational rehab (vr theres tons of them) the department of labor, employment assistance, job coaches, classes, dude even the drug and alcohol agencies communicate with welfare about recipients Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, mumbo13 said: thats because youre bored with all the fucking truth in it. lazy piece of shit Dude fuck off. I asked you a legitimate question, and you answered you didn't want to answer something tedious and gave me search results that had nothing to do with the terms you even entered. That's lazy. Do you want to discuss this or don't you? Because it really seems like you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmod_Luna Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 The obvious solution is to overthrow the bourgeoisie. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opium Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, Doom Metal Alchemist said: Dude fuck off. I asked you a legitimate question, and you answered you didn't want to answer something tedious and gave me search results that had nothing to do with the terms you even entered. That's lazy. Do you want to discuss this or don't you? Because it really seems like you don't. you trynna be my daddy or somethin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enad Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 25 minutes ago, mumbo13 said: no one in our country has ever talked about and im guessing never will. it ranks really high on the controversial and is extremely socialist, but had to be considered to at least as a non-issue. its probably about as weird as population control and euthanasia to some people but its not that bad and its not any kind of implimentation or problem with everyday life but it would greatly control the fate of millions eventually, and sociologists knew. the government may never benefit from supporting millions of people through welfare programs. there are many departments of government concerned with people that cant work or are getting back to work. there are more people working than not working, and the issue usually arises that each person would want to be self supportive and free of government assistance. the money that goes into that system effects everything, taxes, budgets, health care, food stamps, cash, or w/e. but they dont know about the millions of people NOT looking for work or will NOT ever work again because of disability or inability, and the downfall of eventually having more people being supported than the government can possibly pay. so do the other programs working WITH welfare benefit? because then it pays for itself. if the other programs are nearly 100% successful they gain all the tax money and human resources on those employers. people get jobs, its a great thing. so if welfare didnt pay for itself is the paradox.would society fall and genocide people because eventually there would be nothing to share and we would have to turn to death and starve, or eat each other? truth is, welfare pays for itself. people pay taxes their whole lives and only a percentage of them use welfare. most people are paid way ahead on welfare taxes. theres still the catch if you never paid taxes and collect. im sorry i told you its controversial and some of you probably think im inhumane for talking about this. Sometimes I think about Mr. Popo felching with Hamtaro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: Dude fuck off. I asked you a legitimate question, and you answered you didn't want to answer something tedious and gave me search results that had nothing to do with the terms you even entered. That's lazy. Do you want to discuss this or don't you? Because it really seems like you don't. the link works for me i dont know what your talking about i answered your question again anyway, and those welfare to work, career link, civil service, everything is linked to welfare because when you get cash assistance you have to look for work, its a requirement. they keep on your ass. Edited May 23, 2018 by mumbo13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, mumbo13 said: the link works fore me i dont know what your talking about i answered your question again anyway, and those welfare to work, career link, civil service, everything is linked to welfare because when you get cash assistance you have to look for work, its a requirement. they keep on your ass. This isn't in the OP./....Or at least not written like this....Instead it's in some gnarled witchspeak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_Witch Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 You're to busy worrying about the trees that you're missing the forest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainyDayJizz#35 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 hours ago, mumbo13 said: no one in our country has ever talked about and im guessing never will. it ranks really high on the controversial and is extremely socialist, but had to be considered to at least as a non-issue. its probably about as weird as population control and euthanasia to some people but its not that bad and its not any kind of implimentation or problem with everyday life but it would greatly control the fate of millions eventually, and sociologists knew. the government may never benefit from supporting millions of people through welfare programs. there are many departments of government concerned with people that cant work or are getting back to work. there are more people working than not working, and the issue usually arises that each person would want to be self supportive and free of government assistance. the money that goes into that system effects everything, taxes, budgets, health care, food stamps, cash, or w/e. but they dont know about the millions of people NOT looking for work or will NOT ever work again because of disability or inability, and the downfall of eventually having more people being supported than the government can possibly pay. so do the other programs working WITH welfare benefit? because then it pays for itself. if the other programs are nearly 100% successful they gain all the tax money and human resources on those employers. people get jobs, its a great thing. so if welfare didnt pay for itself is the paradox.would society fall and genocide people because eventually there would be nothing to share and we would have to turn to death and starve, or eat each other? truth is, welfare pays for itself. people pay taxes their whole lives and only a percentage of them use welfare. most people are paid way ahead on welfare taxes. theres still the catch if you never paid taxes and collect. im sorry i told you its controversial and some of you probably think im inhumane for talking about this. This entire post literally says nothing. You just stated a bunch of facts and decided it was a thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 @Doom Metal Alchemist hey i thought of a much easier way to answer that question you asked because honestly, there is absolutely no easy answer for what you asked. i would have had to type for at least 15 minutes to answer it. ok so heres the easy shake down. programs designed by county welfare to get people back to work have been a thing for sometime. they dont really want you collecting. you have to participate in education, there is job seeking assistance and it is monitored that you are looking for a job. there are people hired from the department of labor to oversee employment skills training. then you have to add in the disability driven program and veterans programs all aimed at people returning to work. thats some of the programs i was talking about, but its in no way a comprehensive or accurate list. the op mentions lots of programs working with welfare. "welfare" doesnt have to mean county assistance, but thats a different point altogether to a lot of people "welfare programs" are socialist programs that are only concerned with one thing, taking care of citizens at absolutely no cost to them because otherwise their welfare would be in danger. examples are disability, unemployment, cash assistance, food stamps, energy assistance, medicare, medicaid and probably some i forgot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Derrick Foreal said: This isn't in the OP./....Or at least not written like this....Instead it's in some gnarled witchspeak yeah well its going to be a lot harder to explain why i said "civil service" was one of them because it was only a coincidence they were located at our unemployment office when i went there to take tests. never been on unemployment though, but in some cases civil service does work with unemployment for job placement and applications Edited May 23, 2018 by mumbo13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Athena 92 said: The obvious solution is to overthrow the bourgeoisie. i dont speak french. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Bad_Witch said: You're to busy worrying about the trees that you're missing the forest. aww thats cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamped Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I believe we have a duty to take care of each other Believe me, They'll find the money 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death_by_motorboat Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Vamped said: I believe we have a duty to take care of each other Believe me, They'll find the money by far the scariest thing is social security retirement. if we dont have programs to take care of the elderly, only people that earned a private retirement will be safe. i am someone that expects that i might never earn my own private retirement and i am pretty scared thinking ill be starving, cold, and alone when im old. Edited May 23, 2018 by mumbo13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasty Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Vamped said: I believe we have a duty to take care of each other Believe me, They'll find the money Money is not a raw physical resource to begin with. It's only a thing because of this massive placebo that was set in place ten thousand years ago when money was still a good idea. It's vestigial now... There's more than enough to go around... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornshire Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Yeah. No one has ever considered a concept like fiscal responsibility, deficit spending, or entitlement reform, let alone made one such notion a central tenant of a political party platform. Certainly no one has argued these cases. And for sure, no one has dared even pay lip-service to them. But to answer your question, if the government did not possess the money to cover the costs of its expenditures, it would not collapse. In fact it would operate identically to how it does today. This is largely because, you know, currently it does not possess the money to cover its expenditures. It hasn't for most of recent history. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupin_bebop Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I see.......a [long, block paragraph], but you're not saying a motherfucking thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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