1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 The new law would require employers to offer one paid sick day for every 240 hours worked. I wonder what that would do to my casino's absentee penalty policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Are you against this? Even China has mandated paid time off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Are you against paid time off? I'm confused what this is supposed to mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 3 hours ago, bnmjy said: Are you against this? Even China has mandated paid time off. Not that it matters in China. Everyone who was not born to the right families gets paid sixty three cents and a bowl of rice for a twelve hour day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Not that it matters in China. Everyone who was not born to the right families gets paid sixty three cents and a bowl of rice for a twelve hour day. LOL, you ARE this retarded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Sandstone said: Are you against paid time off? I'm confused what this is supposed to mean... You know what we get for calling out sick for a day? Demerit points against our attendance records. Too many of those and even the union can't save you from unemployment. There can only be exceptions under FMLA. Even at that, you just lose a day's pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, 1938 Packard said: You know what we get for calling out sick for a day? Demerit points against our attendance records. Too many of those and even the union can't save you from unemployment. There can only be exceptions under FMLA. Even at that, you just lose a day's pay. Ok, but that didn't answer the question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Derrick Foreal said: LOL, you ARE this retarded. No, that's what the way Chinese sneakers cost twenty dollars a pair while American made sneakers are the status symbols of rich pimps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: No, that's what the way Chinese sneakers cost twenty dollars a pair while American made sneakers are the status symbols of rich pimps. What the fuck grandpa. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Not that it matters in China. Everyone who was not born to the right families gets paid sixty three cents and a bowl of rice for a twelve hour day. Let me rephrase: in the overwhelming majority of countries, including many developing countries, there is mandated paid time off. Does this get my point across better? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, bnmjy said: Let me rephrase: in the overwhelming majority of countries, including many developing countries, there is mandated paid time off. Does this get my point across better? Like we should care what the neighbors are doing? What's the unemployment rate in those places? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Like we should care what the neighbors are doing? What's the unemployment rate in those places? Some of those countries do have a higher labor participation rate . . . Are you against mandated paid time off? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmod_Luna Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Wowie one whole day a month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, 1938 Packard said: American made sneakers What world do you live in Edited April 14, 2018 by Derrick Foreal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pail Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 32 minutes ago, Derrick Foreal said: What world do you lie in The original 'Jumanji' movie. Except instead of getting sucked into a board game he got sucked into a C-Rank casino and Van Pelt is a grumbling manager instead of the antagonist from 'The Most Dangerous Game'. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Expected? Is there a bill that passed that the governor has to sign? Does it exempt or preempt workers under a CBA? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainyDayJizz#35 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 9 hours ago, 1938 Packard said: You know what we get for calling out sick for a day? Demerit points against our attendance records. Too many of those and even the union can't save you from unemployment. There can only be exceptions under FMLA. Even at that, you just lose a day's pay. You have a horrible life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Adminderaptorpat said: Expected? Is there a bill that passed that the governor has to sign? Does it exempt or preempt workers under a CBA? The bill has passed the Assembly and State Senate, and is now on the governor's desk awaiting his signature. He has already expressed support for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Does it preempt CBAs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 3 hours ago, GreatBallsOfJizz said: You have a horrible life. You wanna get paid to sit at home watching Oprah every time you get a sniffle or a sneeze. I never had it that easy on any job in the last forty six years and you shouldn't be any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Adminderaptorpat said: Does it preempt CBAs? What's a cba? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 collective bargaining agreement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, Adminderaptorpat said: collective bargaining agreement Union contracts weren't mentioned in the news reports. I'm guessing a lot of cba's would have to be modified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: You wanna get paid to sit at home watching Oprah every time you get a sniffle or a sneeze. I never had it that easy on any job in the last forty six years and you shouldn't be any different. So you are against mandated paid time off. Unlike you, there are people with children who sometimes desperately need to take time off work out of the blue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaBarney Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: You wanna get paid to sit at home watching Oprah every time you get a sniffle or a sneeze. I never had it that easy on any job in the last forty six years and you shouldn't be any different. This from the same guy who values human life so little he once said he'd rather walk into the woods and let the coyotes eat him than receive medical assistance he couldn't pay for himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, bnmjy said: So you are against mandated paid time off. Unlike you, there are people with children who sometimes desperately need to take time off work out of the blue. I think that's why two parent households are important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, 1938 Packard said: I think that's why two parent households are important. Thank God you've never bred, and never will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, bnmjy said: Thank God you've never bred, and never will. The two parent household always works better than one. One goes out and earns the money, the other stays home and cares for the children. No schedule juggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaBarney Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: The two parent household always works better than one. One goes out and earns the money, the other stays home and cares for the children. No schedule juggling. How many people could you support with just your income. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Union contracts weren't mentioned in the news reports. I'm guessing a lot of cba's would have to be modified. https://legiscan.com/NJ/text/S2171/id/1752085 Assuming this is the bill, then: Quote b. No provision of this act, or any regulations promulgated to implement or enforce this act, shall be construed as: (1) requiring an employer to reduce, or justifying an employer in reducing, rights or benefits provided by the employer pursuant to an employer policy or collective bargaining agreement which are more favorable to employees than those required by this act or which provide rights or benefits to employees not covered by this act; (2) preventing or prohibiting the employer from agreeing, through a collective bargaining agreement or employer policy, to provide rights or benefits which are more favorable to employees than those required by this act or to provide rights or benefits to employees not covered by this act; (3) prohibiting an employer from establishing a policy whereby an employee may donate unused accrued earned sick leave to another employee or other employees; or (4) superseding any law providing collective bargaining rights for employees, or in any way reducing, diminishing, or adversely affecting those collective bargaining rights, or in any way reducing, diminishing, or affecting the obligations of employers under those laws. c. With respect to employees covered by a collective bargaining agreement in effect at the time of the effective date of this act, no provision of this act shall apply until the stated expiration of the collective bargaining agreement. d. This act shall not be construed to preempt, limit, or otherwise affect the applicability of any provision of any State law or regulation regarding earned sick leave for employees of public employers that provides rights or benefits to employees which are more favorable to employees than those required by this act or that provides rights or benefits not covered by this act, but shall supersede any provision of any State law or regulation which is less favorable to the employees than what is required by this act, notwithstanding the provisions of those other laws or regulations. The bill does not preempt a CBA that gives you more favorable benefits. And if you are currently under a CBA, it doesn't apply until your contract expires and needs to be renegotiated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Me Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: You wanna get paid to sit at home watching Oprah every time you get a sniffle or a sneeze. I never had it that easy on any job in the last forty six years and you shouldn't be any different. This right here is ONE of the reasons the flu epidemic was so bad this year...you can blame the shot...if you got it or didn’t... but the fact that people don’t STAY HOME when they are sick is part of the fucking problem.. i don’t like to call into work either but when I am ill, it is MY responsibility to stay the fuck home...as it should be for EVERYONE...regardless of company policy of no excused absences... take fucking personal responsibility 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmod_Luna Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 32 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: You wanna get paid to sit at home watching Oprah every time you get a sniffle or a sneeze. I never had it that easy on any job in the last forty six years and you shouldn't be any different. "I've only had shitty jobs that don't give a shit about the health of their workers and everyone else should suffer, too" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, Nabloom said: How many people could you support with just your income. People aren't supposed to be spitting out babies on this income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Me Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: The two parent household always works better than one. One goes out and earns the money, the other stays home and cares for the children. No schedule juggling. Welcome to 2018...where women do leave the kitchen and very few households could support a stay home parent. Welcome to 2018 where the economic demands are higher than the 1920’s. Welcome to 2018 where you’re still a fucking janitor living in a glorified shack talking on subjects you have no experience or knowledge of... sexist fucking asshole 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, Adminderaptorpat said: https://legiscan.com/NJ/text/S2171/id/1752085 Assuming this is the bill, then: The bill does not preempt a CBA that gives you more favorable benefits. And if you are currently under a CBA, it doesn't apply until your contract expires and needs to be renegotiated. 16 minutes ago, Adminderaptorpat said: https://legiscan.com/NJ/text/S2171/id/1752085 Assuming this is the bill, then: The bill does not preempt a CBA that gives you more favorable benefits. And if you are currently under a CBA, it doesn't apply until your contract expires and needs to be renegotiated. The CBA in this casino doesn't offer any "more favorable" benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaBarney Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, 1938 Packard said: People aren't supposed to be spitting out babies on this income. So when they do it should be a lifetime of unnecessary suffering for all members of the family Don't raise wages so that someone who works full time can support a child, don't give paid sick time let alone paid vacation time to every worker Do you even know what the average worker in America makes, do you know what the median household income is, do you know how many fucking people You're sick I don't even wanna do this with you again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 10 hours ago, Athena 92 said: Wowie one whole day a month. Do the math again. That's eight such days each year, multiplied by over 2,000 employees in just this casino alone. Where's the money supposed to come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nabloom said: So when they do it should be a lifetime of unnecessary suffering for all members of the family Don't raise wages so that someone who works full time can support a child, don't give paid sick time let alone paid vacation time to every worker Do you even know what the average worker in America makes, do you know what the median household income is, do you know how many fucking people You're sick I don't even wanna do this with you again What's bad about actions having consequences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Still Me said: Welcome to 2018...where women do leave the kitchen and very few households could support a stay home parent. Welcome to 2018 where the economic demands are higher than the 1920’s. Welcome to 2018 where you’re still a fucking janitor living in a glorified shack talking on subjects you have no experience or knowledge of... sexist fucking asshole So, you're saying that Mom and Dad behaving like responsible adults is obsolete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nabloom said: So when they do it should be a lifetime of unnecessary suffering for all members of the family Don't raise wages so that someone who works full time can support a child, don't give paid sick time let alone paid vacation time to every worker Do you even know what the average worker in America makes, do you know what the median household income is, do you know how many fucking people You're sick I don't even wanna do this with you again His bar is just set on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaBarney Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Do the math again. That's eight such days each year, multiplied by over 2,000 employees in just this casino alone. Where's the money supposed to come from? Your pension 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmod_Luna Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Do the math again. That's eight such days each year, multiplied by over 2,000 employees in just this casino alone. Where's the money supposed to come from? Even better! Thousands of other businesses manage to give their employees even more sick time than that and vacation time on top of it and they manage just fine. If a business can't afford to give its employees PTO that says more about the business than the employees who want to take time off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) outside of Packard's la la land, real companies that people want to work at strive to maintain a good work-life balance. we get 22 days off a year and can roll over up to 10. which basically forces you to take time off, unless you like losing PTO. also i used to live in NJ, they did the same there too. except with a couple less days because i was really low level and with a different company Edited April 14, 2018 by Naraku4656 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Athena 92 said: Even better! Thousands of other businesses manage to give their employees even more sick time than that and vacation time on top of it and they manage just fine. If a business can't afford to give its employees PTO that says more about the business than the employees who want to take time off. When you give money to a panhandler, it's your decision to make. Using force, whether by threat or by statute to induce you to hand out the money is robbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: The CBA in this casino doesn't offer any "more favorable" benefits. That means when your contract expires this would have to be factored in for the next one. Because this would be mandated by law, I don't know whether the casino would demand a concession elsewhere to offset it. But I assume your union's political staff should already be aware so if you have any questions they'd be the best people to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Me Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: So, you're saying that Mom and Dad behaving like responsible adults is obsolete? Someone was always home when I was as a kid and if they weren’t I had not only a grandmother but also an older brother. THIS is not irresponsible...this is how families raise their children... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 Oh, but in your last post, you said that strong families were the stuff of the 1920's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Me Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Oh, but in your last post, you said that strong families were the stuff of the 1920's. At no point did I say “strong families”... im telling you that unlike the 1920s the economic status of this country cannot AFFORD to have a stay at home parent. BOTH parents have to work in order to provide for themselves and their families. This is the case for lower, middle, and upper middle class America...which make up the 99%... do NOT put words in my mouth Edited April 14, 2018 by Still Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1938 Packard Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Still Me said: At no point did I say “strong families”... im telling you that unlike the 1920s the economic status of this country cannot AFFORD to have a stay at home parent. BOTH parents have to work in order to provide for themselves and their families. This is the case for lower, middle, and upper middle class America...which make up the 99%... do NOT put words in my mouth Then, why get married or have kids at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Me Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Then, why get married or have kids at all? Do you honestly think women get married just so they can not work and pump out fucking spawn?.... youre a fucking sexist idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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