OwlChemist81 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 But DBZ Kai does well even WITH old cels! I'm sure I should also bring up that American Dad beat OPM, but then Bob's Burgers and King of the Hill both soared from there! Both beat Naruto Shippuden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 ^ DBZ doesn't count because it's fucking DBZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I'm sure it's something petty lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 ^ You'd be surprised. Example: My sister refuses to watch Mr. Robot because the shot-composition bugs her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Hopefully this next arc in JoJo really does turn up the heat because that drop is massive. I agree with Sketch in saying that if JoJo keeps this up then it should be moved back in the block. On a more positive note, I'm glad the IBO finale retained so well. Even if it wasn't the most exciting of series, I still enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Why is this so? Is the art style too old / off-putting? Are people rejecting the pointiness / muscular nature of its aesthetic? Do people want shit that looks like SAO and AGK? I'm starting to believe it's more of a visual problem. Doesn't matter if there's cel dirt or not; if it looks too old or is too inspired by an older art style...is that a detraction? Could Gundam Unicorn suffer as well if this is the case? Maybe they just have the same problem my uncle did when we watched Phantom Blood together: they're annoyed by Speedwagon. [it's a damn shame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 That doesn't bode well for Smokey in the next arc then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffchao228 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 In the end, I think we are retaining higher Average ratings knowing the current issue of where we are in, and it is not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I like Jojo... but it's to much of a niche. You want ratings you need Mob Psycho and Re Zero. And stop acting like IBO is doing good now. it only looks better because Jojo is pre tanking the block before IBO gets the chance to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 And yes Tokyo Ghoul sucks and would probably get great ratings like Dimension W. It's time to face facts, Toonami viewers are idiots with absolute shit taste. You could put Steins gate and Death note back to back and they'd both bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Dimension W fell off after the first few weeks...and it stopped making sense. And Stein's Gate should never sir. I will always hate that line of thinking . "People don't like what I like so they have shit taste!" Maybe your taste is the shits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Dimension W fell off after the first few weeks...and it stopped making sense. And Stein's Gate should never sir. I will always hate that line of thinking . "People don't like what I like so they have shit taste!" Maybe your taste is the shits. Kinda hypocritical, coming from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Yeah maybe we're in an alternate universe where Steins Gate and Death note are the DW and IBO of this reality. Toonami viewers would literally watch DW over Death note. DW would get higher ratings. So really... don't expect the people that watch Toonami to actually like anything good unless it has massive mainstream hype behind it like OPM. I know everyone's confused by Jojo tanking hard because it seems like it's pretty good and has a big fan base, but when you take into account the taste of the average Toonami viewer.... it's not that much of a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenigundam Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Death Note would be a massive hit if it were put on Toonami. The younger viewers who didn't catch it when it was on Adult Swim and haven't seen it online would think that it's 1000x better than One-Punch Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Hopefully the Netflix movie is decent. Saying it's drawing influence from Heat is a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Death Note would be a massive hit if it were put on Toonami. The younger viewers who didn't catch it when it was on Adult Swim and haven't seen it online would think that it's 1000x better than One-Punch Man. LOL assuming that was 100 percent troll there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookend47 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Implying that the taste of ASA viewers weren't equally shitty considering they allowed Durarara!!! to bomb super hard. If that show aired on Toonami alongside Casshern and DMW in 2012 it would have been a huge success and become a block staple so this discussion could go both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Regardless of how Durarara!! really did in the ratings... You know what? I don't give a flying fuck how low it did, that shit was fun to watch and none of you are going to ruin that for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookend47 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Amen to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 People suck. 'Tis no surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Only when they don't like what you like. Much easier to blame the people than the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Only when they don't like what you like. Much easier to blame the people than the show. No, people just suck regardless sometimes. I get opinions. But some opinions are more educated than others. And the ones that are uneducated suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenigundam Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Poke, don't get up in my face like that, bro. (steps to Poke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookend47 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 My exact opinion on some of the opinions here and elsewhere on the internet. I can tell when someone is clearly trolling or really opinionated but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt anyways and get the point across that I personally think their ideas are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Poke, don't get up in my face like that, bro. (steps to Poke) Calm down, Zeni, I wasn't even referring to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Hound Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Please don't make me have to read reports... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Sorry, but this one's actually a PLEASURE to read for once: JoJoJoJo done GOOD!! http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-12-17-2016.html 12/17/2016 JoJo's Bizarre Adv. (12:30) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.78 Estimated 18-34 - 530,000 Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.56 Estimated 18-49 - 711,000 Total Viewers - 1,095,000 12/17/2016 JoJo's Bizarre Adv. (1 AM) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.70 Estimated 18-34 - 476,000 Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.49 Estimated 18-49 - 622,000 Total Viewers - 937,000 Episode 9 was indeed a record-breaker for this show, the first time it got over 500K 18-34s/700K 18-49s by a pretty wide margin! And Episode 10 didn't quite do AS good coming after it, but it still managed the 2nd highest 18-34 number to date! In fact, this week alone managed to pull JoJo's 2016 premieres out of the fire not only of being under a million total viewers on average, but of being under 400K adults 18-34 on average, as its final estimated average for 2016 premieres in that demographic (which shall remain an estimate) is 404,400. And its total viewers average for 2016 premieres will conclude at 1,001,600. This bodes well going into Battle Tendencies, Episode 11 and beyond, next year, as well I suppose for the marathon, but we may never actually see ratings from that. I'm more concerned with how well Scavengers does! And if last year is any indication, it looks like we WILL get to see: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-thursday-cable-originals-network-update-12-24-2015.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Please don't make me have to read reports... They aren't bad Annoying but not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Good. I'm hoping ratings rise for the far more engaging Battle Tendency arc. But let's face it, everyone just wants to get to Stardust Crusaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 That's the truth. There's no denying it when your first animated adaptation is an OVA adapting Stardust Crusaders. Why they started adapting when they got to Egypt, though, remains a mystery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/saturday-cable-ratings-dec-17-2016/ Update: One Piece actually made the Top 100 for the first time in I don't know how long, plus DBZ Kai managed a rounded 0.7 as we say goodbye to the Kikuchi soundtrack, and hello to... Too bad Midnight is too late to head to the Colonel and grab a piece or two! But I digress... 12:00 AM Dragon Ball Z Kai - 1,405,000 (78.14%) 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - 1,095,000 (77.94%) 1:00 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - 937,000 (85.57%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter - 824,000 (87.94%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden - 761,000 (92.35%) 2:30 AM One Piece - 700,000 (91.98%) Not the best retention in total viewers for DBZ Kai and either JoJo, but when Family Guy starts out at almost 1.8 Million, get over it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 That's the truth. There's no denying it when your first animated adaptation is an OVA adapting Stardust Crusaders. Why they started adapting when they got to Egypt, though, remains a mystery... And the test dub back in 2014 started out with the first three episodes of Stardust Crusaders rather than Phantom Blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/saturday-cable-ratings-dec-17-2016/ Update: One Piece actually made the Top 100 for the first time in I don't know how long, plus DBZ Kai managed a rounded 0.7 as we say goodbye to the Kikuchi soundtrack, and hello to... Too bad Midnight is too late to head to the Colonel and grab a piece or two! But I digress... 12:00 AM Dragon Ball Z Kai - 1,405,000 (78.14%) 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - 1,095,000 (77.94%) 1:00 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - 937,000 (85.57%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter - 824,000 (87.94%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden - 761,000 (92.35%) 2:30 AM One Piece - 700,000 (91.98%) Not the best retention in total viewers for DBZ Kai and either JoJo, but when Family Guy starts out at almost 1.8 Million, get over it! Meh. Jojo still losing to many viewers after DBZ, but at least it isn't as terrible as last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Wow, this lineup freaking SHOT THE MOON on Adults 18-49, as all slots but two were up at least a tenth of a point! Looks like nothing was under 475K 18-49 or 700K total viewers!! 12:00 AM Dragon Ball Z Kai - 1,405,000 (78.14%) 0.71 (+0.10) 12:30 AM Jojo's Bizarre Adventure 1,095,000 (77.94%) 0.56 (+0.16) 1:00 AM Jojo's Bizarre Adventure 937,000 (85.57%) 0.49 (+0.10) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter - 824,000 (87.94%) 0.43 (+0.06) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden - 761,000 (92.35%) 0.39 (+0.07) 2:30 AM One Piece - 700,000 (91.98%) 0.38 (+0.11) 3:00 AM One-Punch Man (rerun) - 731,000 (104.43%) 0.40 (+0.14) TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 921,857 0.48 609,600 http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-12-17-2016.html This is just an estimate based on hundredths of points, but I'm pretty sure the over 600K part will stick. It's been almost 5 months since the block cracked 600K 18-49s on average!! Of course, the Total Viewers Average also did well in its own right, reaching a level not seen for almost 2 months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Welp, here's the full 18-49s! 12:00 AM Dragon Ball Z Kai - 906,000 (82.95%) 12:30 AM Jojo's Bizarre Adventure 719,000 (79.36%) 1:00 AM Jojo's Bizarre Adventure 626,000 (87.07%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter - 545,000 (87.06%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden - 503,000 (92.29%) 2:30 AM One Piece - 483,000 (96.02%) 3:00 AM One-Punch Man (rerun) - 517,000 (107.04%) ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE - 614,143 That OPM number is truly amazing! It must have made the Top 100 for Sunday, but we're not gonna know anytime soon because stupid Screener has accidentally posted the grid from the week before last instead. Oh well; here are the final premiere averages for every show that aired in December 2016: SHOW AVERAGES SO FAR Dragonball Z Kai - 1,375,531 (98 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 1,001,600 (10 episodes) Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans - 940,760 (25 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 901,875 (32 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 887,794 (140 episodes) One Piece - 801,455 (166 episodes) One Punch Man Rerun - 642,250 (8 episodes) ADULTS 18-49 Dragonball Z Kai - 792,155 (98 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 606,400 (10 episodes) Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans - 556,560 (25 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 531,656 (32 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 490,440 (140 episodes) One Piece - 435,713 (166 episodes) One Punch Man Rerun - 387,625 (8 episodes) ADULTS 18-34 (Estimated) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 404,400 (10 episodes) Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans - 367,040 (25 episodes) Nice turn of events, with JoJo's averages cracking some ceilings it looked like it would fall short of as recently as last week, including 1M total viewers, 600K adults 18-49, and 400K adults 18-34! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarPanda Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Well, Scavengers did pretty good. I would imagine this number also includes the first 3 minutes of JoJo, though, which included Toonami's 2nd-ever playing of the full OP. http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-12-24-2016.html 12/24/2016 Scavengers (0:15) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.68 Estimated 18-34 - 462,000 Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.56 Estimated 18-49 - 711,000 Total Viewers - 1,107,000 Surely more data to come later today for the marathon--like now. Well, a little bit at least: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/saturday-cable-ratings-dec-24-2016/ Ouch. Only Scavengers and the first 2 episodes of JoJo even made the Top 100! Everything else probably tanked, but we won't know until SOTB hits the scene... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 It was Christmas Eve. Aggregate ratings don't even count this week because of the shifts in population activity. UFC 206 rerunning on Fox apparently outdid It's a Wonderful Life, so who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Lmao looks like JoJo managed to do even worse than the One Piece marathon last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 They should of just done a DBZ marathon The ratings would of stayed above and not dip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Lmao looks like JoJo managed to do even worse than the One Piece marathon last year. [citation needed] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 That link ALchemist posted has the first JoJo clocking in at in the 800k range, while the second showing of was in the 600k range. Nothing else charted. I mean it was Xmas so I wasn't expecting much, but damn, I didn't think you could do worse than what AGK, OP and IBO did for their marathons and yet... JoJo... poor poor under-appreciated JoJo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 If we're just looking for ratings then why air anything other DBZ period. Lmao people would probably stick around more for endless reruns of Z then ever give anything else a chance sans the rare occarance (AoT, OPM). Watch the upcoming DBZKai marathon pull the biggest ratings in a while. Even compared to the normal block. Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 No, not the same. The OP marathon wasn't Christmas Eve. One Piece still loses. In the US One Piece ALWAYS LOSES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Lmao the denial is strong with this one. So is the bias-ness. Clearly there was an audience right before JoJo because the short right before it did fine. We've been witnessing heavy losses from JoJo week after week. This outcome is completely on par with how it performs. Better hope the other JoJo series do their thing, otherwise this show is looking to be a bust performance wise. Perhaps they'll move it down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 And hopefully they'll get rid of One Piece. Everything sucks, everything fails, except Netflix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Lmao you wish. So emo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I'm jut gonna agree to disagree between you two: JoJo isn't doing so hot and I hope it gets better, and while One Piece's shot at stateside glory has long since passed it's not doing bad enough to justify Jman's claim that it should be removed from the block forever and ever. (Well, any more than Demarco's had to defend against, anyways. S:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookend47 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Seems like they were between a rock and a hard place with another Gundam series after Ibo so keeping Jojo at 12:30 makes sense and I don't think they have anywhere to move it down to. Personally I'll be fine if Jojo doesn't click, its future could go either way for me. While I know Part 2 is going to be incredible and fun, on the other hand, if it underperforms and Demarco keeps his word with taking a break before part 3 then at this clears up space for shorter series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 The groundwork had already been laid for JoJo to move down to 1 AM with Part 2 beginning at 1 AM on 12/17. They could have just started Gundam Unicorn at 12:30 AM and left JoJo at 1 AM and been none the wiser. And it turns out that ratings information beyond 12-1:15 is STILL not available yet, as Programming Insider hasn't posted their "Saturday Final Nationals" yet. But from what I've seen, yep, this night did worse than the One Piece marathon on 12/26/15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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