scoobdog

Posting the poll now….

Alright, now we have a starting point.

Not going to disagree with you on that. The likelihood is that OceanGate doesn't face any real repercussions, at least in part because the CEO is 2" thick at the bottom of the Atlantic and the company likely goes into bankruptcy because of the disaster. Noetheless, it's impossible not to look at what's happening in the Mediterranean right now and ask how so much money can be spent on a what amounts to a bunch of wealthy thrill seekers and practically nothing is being spent on the migrants that were lost in the capsized boat. My unpopular take is that the disaster in Greece at least partially frames the Titan response - for the CG incident commander, the choice is do nothing and be seen as incompetent or, worse, indifferent, or do something knowing it's likely futile and have everyone complain about the wasted money and effort. To be clear, that's not a question for the incident commander to answer, it's a question that should be put to the US Government as a whole, and particularly in the conext of the humanitarian crisis that the Biden Administration is contributing to by not effectively dealing assylum seekers at our own border. The fact remains this incident exposes not just a global disparity between the haves and have nots, but the disparity here in the United States.

This is fucking stupid. I have no idea what you think happened, but these are the facts as reported: The Navy heard a noise "like an implosion or an explosion" in those exact terms and reported it immediately. They couldn't know the Titan had disintegrated and everyone was lost with no visual confirm what had happened, like debris. The noise was heard after an alert had been put out to everyone in the vicinity. The Canadian coast guard knew the sub had lost contact the same time the US Navy did. It seems unlikely they would not have known about the noise given they were searching in that area and were likely looking for evidence of a damaged ship. I don't know who's lives you're suggesting were put at risk here, but there's no indication that the rescue operation every involved human participation beyond the stuff you usually have involved when a ship is lost at sea. There were flyovers and presumably divers that descended at most 100 ft, besides the personnel on the ship. The reason it took so long to even get a visual is because that was how long it took for the French to bring an ROV capable of descending to the extreme depths where the wreckage was discovered. That's what's being reported. The implications beyond that, such as the monetary cost versus reward of undertaking a rescue operation is a different discussion. We have no idea how the ensuing investigation will hold OceanGate responsible for this disaster, but assuming it's likely a slap on the wrist that's a debate all its own. As to the families, the only thing anyone can say is that everyone acted in good faith to get their loved ones back when there was a slim chance of survival: telling them that there was an explosion would have no bearing on that. Edit: This, from CNN -

Obviously because he’s too busy running my campaign, and he’s waiting for the inevitable harem that comes with a scoobdog victory.

The Navy heard a noise that could have been either an implosion or explosion shortly after the sub lost contact and relayed it immediately to the incident commander. Presumably it was also immediately factored into the search. Not sure why kind of wrongdoing you expect to uncover from either the Navy or the Coast Guard seeing as the information was put to timely use to the only operation that would benefit from it, a rescue and recovery.

The Navy told everyone right away what they heard. I’m assuming nobody wanted to be the one to tell the families “Yeah they’re fucked.”

This probably isn’t good…. https://www.cnn.com/americas/live-news/titanic-missing-sub-oceangate-06-22-23/h_344601696b2cfd05c2564d6212bd4bd5

"White" is a code word for "entitled," so, yes, there are people like that in every country, usually the ones that maintain power over the political and economic engines. Two of the passengers on the submersible hail from Pakistan, which isn't exactly a place or prosperity. Interestingly, just like a professional athlete, the climber thanked his sponsors.

These are also the reasons that rich white men are lauded as heroes for doing pointless things like climbing Mt Everest or crossing Antarctica. Exploration is ultimately an endurance for entitled people and catastrophic failures are a way to humanize them.

I think the general consensus is it’s really hard to feel bad for any of them. They weren’t desperate migrants forced on to a ramshackle boat because the alternative is worse. They spent the equivalent of a working poor’s annual pay for a decade to get in a Super Mario power-up to see glorified trash on the bottom of the Atlantic. Now the equivalent of a third world country’s GDP is being spent to recover them. You can’t separate the ridiculousness of the circumstances from the human interest.

I don't know if you can say there are people cheering for them to die. The more you read, the more absurd the whole thing is though.

I was reading about one of the whistleblowers that got fired. He said something to the effect the carbon fiber hull that was manufactured for the Titan was 2" thinner than they were expecting - 5" think instead of the expected 7" thick. I know carbon fiber can be as strong as steel, but losing roughly 28% of its mass can't be a good thing . This is a real fucking shit show.

I don't think it happens so much when you're in a pressurized cannister. That's more an issue for SCUBA divers who are not in protected while their body processes the oxygen-nitrogen mix in their aqualungs. Also, you don't get the bends when you're pressed into pancake.

Shamelessness wins Championships.... JUST ASK LEBRON.

I believe most of them died of hypothermia before sinking to the bottom, so.... they're getting shortchanged.

It’s not like Bluetooth uses a lot of power or is unstable on its own. Regardless, it looks like there were serious manufacturing deficiencies that were apparent well before this trip that probably should have warned of impending doom.

At the risk of being contrarian here, I think we're reducing a fairly complicated submersible to its intentionally simple interfaces. Since there's so little on television to see, I tend to gravitate toward the Discovery and Science channels and in one, Josh Gates' Tales from The Explorer's Club, the were recounting the first dive into the Mariana Trench in a submersible. A later explorer more recently took another dive in a more modern submersible and it had similar oversimplified controller device. To all of us on the outside looking in, that might seem ridiculous, but I believe the purpose of using older controller technology is because it's rudimentary and has a compact control layout. This isn't a Virgina Class nuke, it's not meant for speed or manuverability at shallow depths, its a deep sea device that's designed to have the minimum propulsion and the simplest of systems. I believe it was also mentioned that OceanGate is the company that was recently responsible for doing the detailed sonar of the Titanic reck a few months back. This isn't just some kind of extreme tour outfit.

Ohhhhh. Gotcha.

Where did your friend get her grant from?

Some idiot?

So, grant programs are fairly broad, and they almost never cover exactly what you want. Using this as a starting tool, you get an idea of just how many different programs are out there… and how ridiculously specific they are. They’re usually disbursed by the federal government to local advocacy organizations who then, in turn, disburse them. Occasionally, large charities disburse their own grants, but they’re almost always for research or conservation purposes. Local utilities also can offer grants for efficiency upgrades (installing drip irrigation, upgrading your service infrastructure) but those are rare and ultra specific. Without knowing specifics, it’s probably a good idea to first see if your local jurisdiction still has a redevelopment agency. This is an example. They’re often the villain that swoops in and buys properties from little old ladies to build strip malls, but they can also be a good resource for small businesses in districts that are being revitalized like a historic downtown.

Grant requests do not need to be written in legalese. They’re not legally binding documents, so doing that might cause the organization to pass on the grant request. You just need to be concise and thorough.

I'll keep looking. It might be on old media somewhere since that was in the archaic age of floppy disks and that beastly Jazz drive I can't seem to get to work. The thing, though, is that there isn't anything magical to it other than following the directions of grant provider. It's literally explaining in detail exactly what is requested, with the detail being as much embellishment as you can muster without looking like you're embellishing. (Like Gemini said, that's something that's easily adjusted through peer review.) That's why finding the grant provider is what's really important. Let me see if I can poke around for some grant ideas.