CountFrylock

Eh I Prefer Physical myself....I Always stare at screens plenty during the day I'd rather not do that just to read manga

well i did the start off by saying "this thought came after seeing a post on the anime superheroes/toonzone forum in response to the harley quinn marathon where someone stated" i didn't imply the person in question was a friend or even someone i knew IRL anyways this topic mostly came out because it's crazy to think somebody that spends so much time discussing toonami stuff can believe anime is still some obscure foreign garbage that most american's cannot comprehend because "It's Japanese" no amount of success stories will make him change his mind and simply result with him saying "Well that's good but they'll always be number two to american animation...still that's a decent start" Nah i wouldn't go that far...I Just think he allowed his high school memories to make him think that's still the case today and You get bullied simply for mentioning anime since he's a moderator on that forum most people don't really challenge his opinions...not that anyone would be able to change it anyways the fact he used high school as proof that More people know who Aang And Zuko are than Naruto And Sasuke proves that

"That is a sign that anime is coming close to rounding that corner and maybe it could get wide theatrical releases based on its success. I hesitate to say it's mainstream, but anime is becoming a larger subculture than it used to be" he really does seem to deny it's popularity a lot "The next anime movie might someday get a wide release and do somewhere around $60 million domestically, a pretty good number."

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/48767/the-great-manga-shortage-2021 "Manga sales just spiked during the pandemic, and it's almost impossible to get replacements right now,” Bob Schaffer of Dragon’s Lair Comics and Fantasy in San Antonio, Texas, told ICv2. Ryan Higgins of Comics Conspiracy in Sunnyvale, California, only stocks first volumes of most manga because the store is so small, but lately when he goes to special-order later volumes for customers, he often finds they are out of stock. “ChainsawMan [volumes] two and three and four, they're just gone,” he said. “I don't think we'll ever be able to get those back in for customers.” Higgins gets restocks from Diamond and Penguin Random House, but he’s still having trouble finding titles. “If it's not a current series, forget it,” he said. “Anything that’s finished, there's nothing available. There were select titles that obviously they do keep around, but if you're just looking for a random volume of, like, AttackonTitan, it is not available.” The Boston comic shop Comicopia has a wide and deep manga collection (see “Successful Manga Retailing in a ‘Comic Bookstore’”), but owner Matt Lehman has the same problem. “If we're sold out of those popular titles, we have many other titles that customers can explore,” he said “These are also more likely to be able to restock, since they're less likely to be sold out from the publisher. However, we're still selling manga faster than we can restock it, as is evidenced by our increasingly large gaps [on shelves].” Big retailers such as Amazon and Barnes & Noble can’t keep some titles in stock either; as of this writing, neither had volumes 2, 3, or 4 of Chainsaw Man or the first volumes of My Hero Academia or Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaibaavailable for online purchase, and neither had a full run of Jujutsu Kaisen."

Yeah that's probably it...Not really sure if disney plus will dethrone netflix as the king of streaming and Hbo Max is Just...Eh

honestly i think he seems too wrapped up in how anime was treated during his high school years to realize that's not the case anymore i know this because when i brought up the success of demon slayer mugen train he just shrugged it off and said He'd Hesitate to call anime mainstream he downplayed it's success by saying "Sure anime's becoming a larger sub-culture but it probably won't touch anything like into the spider-verse's box office numbers and Anime will surely be Lagging behind American Animation In Popularity For Some Time" for whatever reason he just seems to have a hard time not viewing anime as being obscure and too foreign for america

He's not saying he expects that content but that stuff like DC Animated movies tend to do better in the ratings than anything else on toonami which again I've always rolled my eyes at because even before streaming services existed....TV Ratings weren't any better it was always some random crapshoot due to it being a small focus group of randomly selected people who would have their viewing habits gauged and collected knowing that and trying to say that tells us how american's feel about anime is really stupid i said The Market's changed though and i think it's weird to claim Anime's too foreign for americans when Demon Slayer Mugen train was a massive success yet it's setting is very Japanese and this was his response "That is a sign that anime is coming close to rounding that corner and maybe it could get wide theatrical releases based on its success. I hesitate to say it's mainstream, but anime is becoming a larger subculture than it used to be. It probably won't touch anything like Into the Spider Verse's $190 million domestic box office gross. The next anime movie might someday get a wide release and do somewhere around $60 million domestically, a pretty good number. Anime will probably be behind American animation in popularity for some time, but it's getting to be pretty popular."

nobody can expect anyone to have them all so what would you peg as the default defacto streaming service?

so what would you tell him then?

and that's something this person doesn't realize they keep harping on and on about how Most American's find Anime too foreign and weird for them "We at least know that the DC movies do better in the normal lineup than ratings, so it seems that American toons are more popular at least with the entire 18-35 demographic. There might be some in the 18-25 demo who prefer anime to American cartoons, but a much smaller quantity of the 25-35 demo is into anime. Granted, a great portion of that 25-35 demo that watches anime might be small, but they are the super passionate fans who watched stuff like YuYu Hakusho and Rurouni Kenshin back in the day and got bullied for it. Sure American cartoons would cast a wider net, but the airing rights for them are really hard to get. Besides, Adult Swim has been a strong proponent of anime and would air them even if they aren't as mainstream with American cartoons. They know the majority of anime fans are Zoomers who use streaming, but it seems like Adult Swim's primary audience seems to be that small niche of Millennial fans who watched anime back when it was heavily stigmatized." this specific part of the last post they made really makes me facepalm...The Nielsen Ratings aren't the overall undeniable truth when it comes to what american tastes are We're talking about a system that only counts a small selection of the country in a randomly selected way that's his problem he's using TV Ratings to try and say "This is how america feels about anime!" when streaming services exist and We've seen that contrary to what TV Ratings would tell you on toonami Anime isn't some super obscure thing that only a small percentage of the country is into Last Year In December When I Went to Walmart They had Volumes of MHA alongside some marvel and dc trade paperbacks Manga Publishers are currently dealing with supply problems due to an overwhelmingly unexpected increase in readership since last year due to covid-19 so to say these series are obscure and only known by a very small percent of the country just sounds...really dumb

". Yes, DBZ and Naruto aren't the only anime in existence, but they were the only ones (aside from Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh) known to general pop culture. Then we get the really weird abstract stuff like Paranoia Agent, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and Serial Experiments Lain. Adult Swim has exposed audiences to the weird artsy stuff and that also has an impact on people fearing watching anime expecting it all to be like Paranoia Agent. Those factors are probably why anime can't reach the mainstream." how would you respond to this comment? i can easily say the bullying experience this person had is no reason to just think "Oh Anime is Some Niche Garbage that only a small section of people online are into" not only that but this idea that Anime is too Japanese for Americans is bizarre....just this statement alone tells me the opinion this person has on the matter "Probably just how very over the top it is with the shouting and spiky hair and people shooting lasers out of their hands and other shonen stereotypes that aren't like your typical American cartoon. American superhero cartoons might be a little bit over the top, but in a normal American way."

this message again confuses me "I wouldn't go that far either. While I wouldn't call Naruto obscure exactly, I also don't know if the general public is really that familiar with it. It isn't quite on the level of DBZ where even if you don't watch anime you would have heard of it. Avatar's explosion in popularity last year when it landed on Netflix would probably give it a noticeable edge when it comes to the general public being familiar with it." was there really a big popularity boost for avatar the last airbender from being on netflix? regardless they seem to speak from experiences growing up in an area where liking anime meant you were bullied and mocked however the problem is they seem to think that's everyone's experience saying "At My High school Aang and zuko were more known and popular than naruto and sasuke anime fans were bullied and tormented but it was okay to like avatar the last airbender" doesn't mean everyone thought the same as that one high school in my opinion claiming Anime is too Foreign for Most american's and that they don't care for non-american cartoons sounds really stupid

I Challenged his view and said naruto's far more known than avatar the last airbender to which he responded with this... "At least when I was in high school in the 00s, Aang and Zuko were far more well known than Naruto and Sasuke. Anime fans were mocked and bullied, but it was okay to like Avatar the Last Airbender and a few anime like Pokemon were okay to like without mockery. It even got a crappy mega budget live action film, which Naruto never got. Okay, I know that anime is a lot more popular and less niche with the 2010s, but I am quite surprised if it really has surpassed American toons with the Zoomer generation. Based on your posts, I'm guessing you're part of that younger Zoomer generation. We at least know that the DC movies do better in the normal lineup than ratings, so it seems that American toons are more popular at least with the entire 18-35 demographic. There might be some in the 18-25 demo who prefer anime to American cartoons, but a much smaller quantity of the 25-35 demo is into anime. Granted, a great portion of that 25-35 demo that watches anime might be small, but they are the super passionate fans who watched stuff like YuYu Hakusho and Rurouni Kenshin back in the day and got bullied for it. Sure American cartoons would cast a wider net, but the airing rights for them are really hard to get. Besides, Adult Swim has been a strong proponent of anime and would air them even if they aren't as mainstream with American cartoons. They know the majority of anime fans are Zoomers who use streaming, but it seems like Adult Swim's primary audience seems to be that small niche of Millennial fans who watched anime back when it was heavily stigmatized." and another person chimed in with this short response afterwards "I wouldn't go that far either. While I wouldn't call Naruto obscure exactly, I also don't know if the general public is really that familiar with it. It isn't quite on the level of DBZ where even if you don't watch anime you would have heard of it. Avatar's explosion in popularity last year when it landed on Netflix would probably give it a noticeable edge when it comes to the general public being familiar with it." the first one tells me this person truly bases this opinion on high school experiences and how students there were far more familiar with avatar characters than naruto characters because they teased and tormented anime fans then goes on to claim because avatar the last airbender got a crappy movie that put its above naruto in the eyes of most american's what really annoys me is they assume I'm a zoomer just because i claim Naruto And Sasuke are more well known than Aang And Zuko(I'm Not...i was born in 1989)

He's the kind of guy who sees any DC event as a blessing for toonami and the regular toonami block as being too niche to garner much attention

Yeah exactly but when i asked them to explain just what they mean by it being too foreign for most americans this is the response i got "Probably just how very over the top it is with the shouting and spiky hair and people shooting lasers out of their hands and other shonen stereotypes that aren't like your typical American cartoon. American superhero cartoons might be a little bit over the top, but in a normal American way. All the Japanese attack names and jargon made Naruto the far more niche title than the mainstream Avatar: The Last Airbender. The overall attacks and methods of doing the attacks (ninja hand signs) were also seen as weird and complicated compared to American superheroes. Yes, DBZ and Naruto aren't the only anime in existence, but they were the only ones (aside from Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh) known to general pop culture. Then we get the really weird abstract stuff like Paranoia Agent, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and Serial Experiments Lain. Adult Swim has exposed audiences to the weird artsy stuff and that also has an impact on people fearing watching anime expecting it all to be like Paranoia Agent. Those factors are probably why anime can't reach the mainstream." not sure how to respond to that....

no you aren't this is just what one random person thinks according to ratings for the dc movies and how it seems like more attention is paid to them than the regular lineup because Anime is too weird and Japanese for the average american

when i asked if they thought an all american toonami block would be more successful they said "Sadly, yes. Anime is too foreign. That's why no real anime will ever be as popular in America as Avatar: The Last Airbender. The only problem is that pretty much all American adult action animation (Castlevania,Invincible, DC stuff) is stuck on streaming."

this thought came after seeing a post on the anime superheroes/toonzone forum in response to the harley quinn marathon where someone stated " I know some anime fans want the block to be pure anime, but American toons have a place on the block and probably a big part of the block's success. A few kids watching classic Toonami were probably drawn in by Justice League and Teen Titans, but stayed for DBZ. If Toonami could have Harley Quinn as more than a one week rental, it probably would be the biggest draw on the block as the DC movies last year spanked the crap out of the regular lineup in ratings. As popular as anime is, the DC cartoons got way more attention than all the non DBZ or Naruto anime on classic Toonami."

the next episode came out just yesterday on funimation so the theory is that toonami's just playing it safe

how many times do you think toonami will mention HBO Max and how we all should subscribe to it to see The Suicide Squad!

that seems to happen a lot this season....with each class battle taking up 2 episodes(the exception being bakugo's team battle)

wonder how many toonami viewers are gonna read the black clover manga once toonami's run of black clover concludes

what else would they air in it's place though? It'd probably be a rerun or some older show at this point A Fresh Series at 1:00 AM doesn't make much sense I've never seen much evidence that demarco enjoys black clover or gives it much props they probably picked it up expecting it to be A Major Hit for the block and when it didn't light adultswim on fire they became disappointed not enough to remove it entirely but enough to demote it to the back of the line

it's treated like it's some mediocre sack of crap that toonami regrets now