We had one who didn't know what "man hours" are or how to calculate them for projects. When they had paperwork to do, they threw everything at the secretaries... and the secretaries ended up making the business decisions. It's crazy. HR has mountains of applications and resumes for supervisory positions and they'll hire anybody who fits the profile without looking at education or experience. I was offered the job twice because I get the work done consistently, correctly and on schedule. They think I can convince others to do the same. Fact is, I can't make a worker out of somebody who thinks a job is just another place to "hang".