i forgot how much fun wirting is

[ghostrek]

I forgot how much fun that world-building is. I am almost done with the Star Trek series proposal.

[Insipid]

This reminds me of an episode of Mad Men . . .

[ghostrek]

37 minutes ago, Insipid said:

This reminds me of an episode of Mad Men . . .

@Insipid really

[Insipid]

7 hours ago, ghostrek said:

@Insipid really

Yes, in the one episode this former writer had fallen on hard times and joined some weird Hindu cult. He reached out to an old friend still working for the ad firm and offered his script about Star Trek, titled The Negron Complex. He thought it was so bad, and he felt bad about his friend's lifestyle, so he gave him money to start anew to move away to Los Angeles.

[Chappi]

The only writing I do for fun involves anime men kissing each other

The writing I don’t do for fun takes way longer and requires far more planning

[scoobdog]

19 hours ago, ghostrek said:

I forgot how much fun that world-building is. I am almost done with the Star Trek series proposal.

That’s what I like to hear.

[ghostrek]

On 6/17/2026 at 10:03 AM, Insipid said:

Yes, in the one episode this former writer had fallen on hard times and joined some weird Hindu cult. He reached out to an old friend still working for the ad firm and offered his script about Star Trek, titled The Negron Complex. He thought it was so bad, and he felt bad about his friend's lifestyle, so he gave him money to start anew to move away to Los Angeles.

@Insipid   that one i hread that one

[ghostrek]

@Insipid @scoobdog @1pooh4u @mthor

 

this not frist time i hread that. it feels out of left feild but i cloud be worng. but ferengi is not favorit star trek species in star trek.  kilgons are one of them and vulcans  and borg and changelings are my favorits

Edited Friday at 10:15 PM by ghostrek

[scoobdog]

Hey @ghostrek - can you maybe give us a basic synopsis of this video, or at least the premise?  Roddenberry was many things when it came to inclusion, but he wasn't keen to get very deep into things like generational racism.  Bringing up anti-semitism in the context of the Star Trek universe tends to be like an unpinned grenade for that reason.  It might be best to give us an idea what this guy's basic premise is.  (Also, that opening is super douchey, so I'm already writing this dude off.)

[cyberbully]

Lmfao

[cyberbully]

5 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

Hey @ghostrek - can you maybe give us a basic synopsis of this video, or at least the premise?  Roddenberry was many things when it came to inclusion, but he wasn't keen to get very deep into things like generational racism.  Bringing up anti-semitism in the context of the Star Trek universe tends to be like an unpinned grenade for that reason.  It might be best to give us an idea what this guy's basic premise is.  (Also, that opening is super douchey, so I'm already writing this dude off.)

 

[ghostrek]

9 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

Hey @ghostrek - can you maybe give us a basic synopsis of this video, or at least the premise?  Roddenberry was many things when it came to inclusion, but he wasn't keen to get very deep into things like generational racism.  Bringing up anti-semitism in the context of the Star Trek universe tends to be like an unpinned grenade for that reason.  It might be best to give us an idea what this guy's basic premise is.  (Also, that opening is super douchey, so I'm already writing this dude off.)

@scoobdog  the ferengi are jewish stero tpye he gose in deeep in to the history 

[ghostrek]

4 minutes ago, ghostrek said:

@scoobdog  the ferengi are jewish stero tpye he gose in deeep in to the history 

@scoobdog he called gene rodenberry an anitsamnite wich i dont know? 

Edited Friday at 10:32 PM by ghostrek

[1pooh4u]

18 minutes ago, ghostrek said:

@Insipid @scoobdog @1pooh4u @mthor

 

this not frist time i hread that. it feels out of left feild but i cloud be worng. but ferengi is not favorit star trek species in star trek.  kilgons are one of them and vulcans  and borg and changelings are my favorits

I like the Borg. I thought Ferengi were a STtNG favorite and also DS9?

some say the Ferengi were Jewish coded. Idk about all that and I think that line of thought is a them issue. The people thinking that. Not the creators of the fictional race. If I’m wrong. Shame on the creators but idt that I am. 

[1pooh4u]

I didn’t even watch the video or this thread to see that comparison was already made 

[scoobdog]

3 minutes ago, ghostrek said:

@scoobdog  the ferengi are jewish stero tpye he gose in deeep in to the history 

2 minutes ago, ghostrek said:

@scoobdog he called gene rodenberry an anitsamnite

What do you think @ghostrek?

[1pooh4u]

Hate everything about the video and couldn’t finish it 

[ghostrek]

Just now, scoobdog said:

What do you think @ghostrek?

 one being money hungery stero tpye  thing is not just jewish thing  it very comon one for the amish and mennonite also 

[scoobdog]

Also, like is I said, that dude is fucking all over his own bullshit.  In case you’re wondering, anyone who has to say “What?” to his own premise douchebag coded.

[ghostrek]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

Hate everything about the video and couldn’t finish it 

yes.  I watched it honestly . got  me confused i  did watch his shows on histtory channel back in the day.  but wow 

[ghostrek]

1 minute ago, scoobdog said:

Also, like is I said, that dude his fucking all over his own bullshit.  In case you’re wondering, anyone who has to say “What?” to his own premise douchebag coded.

he dose have rigth to his own opinon .

[1pooh4u]

OIC Leonard Nimoy had alluded to Roddenberry being callous towards Jews and Judaism but then what I read gave no examples 

Nimoy, Spock, literally took Jewish practice to television with his hand sign when he says “live long and prosper” that’s explicitly and maybe even exclusively Jewish 

 

[ghostrek]

Just now, ghostrek said:

he dose have rigth to his own opinon .

but i can see where he is coming from also aguments in ds9 are nerodivegnet coded it dose come off as offending  to me  also data is nerodivegent code  and emh  and 7 of 9  are stero tpyes  i would say no  but other would say yes. he migth just general fan of star trek not a trekie

[1pooh4u]

https://www.startrek.com/news/the-jewish-ritual-that-led-nimoy-to-create-the-vulcan-salute
 

[ghostrek]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

OIC Leonard Nimoy had alluded to Roddenberry being callous towards Jews and Judaism but then what I read gave no examples 

Nimoy, Spock, literally took Jewish practice to television with his hand sign when he says “live long and prosper” that’s explicitly and maybe even exclusively Jewish 

 

@1pooh4u yes i know  vulcan sulate is a jewish blessing  i think rodenberry had iusse with religon as a whole  

[ghostrek]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

https://www.startrek.com/news/the-jewish-ritual-that-led-nimoy-to-create-the-vulcan-salute
 

yes i remembering that now  i do not go on startrek.com  that much 

[1pooh4u]

5 minutes ago, ghostrek said:

yes.  I watched it honestly . got  me confused i  did watch his shows on histtory channel back in the day.  but wow 

I would need to see the examples of Roddenberry’s “antisemitism” to really make a determination about the Ferengi. Back then folks had a better understanding of what antisemitism is. Now it’s different because Israeli propaganda has twisted the definition. 

[1pooh4u]

2 minutes ago, ghostrek said:

@1pooh4u yes i know  vulcan sulate is a jewish blessing  i think rodenberry had iusse with religon as a whole  

I’m seeing people complained that Jewish culture wasn’t represented in the Star Trek universe. Here’s the thing, I didn’t realize that any religion, or culture was used in a big way to create the universe. 
 

I also feel it’s a little contradictory to make that complaint when one of the most iconic salutes of the series, possibly in all of television, isn’t only Jewish coded it’s explicitly Jewish. It’s weird. Is not that enough? lol wtf do they want? Exodus in there too or something? 

[ghostrek]

2 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

I would need to see the examples of Roddenberry’s “antisemitism” to really make a determination about the Ferengi. Back then folks had a better understanding of what antisemitism is. Now it’s different because Israeli propaganda has twisted the definition. 

@1pooh4u coment some one sid nimoy said but best way find  look thorow i am not spock and i am spock,or ask the 3 living star trek actor that are jewish  from tos and tng  on soical madia 

[scoobdog]

10 minutes ago, ghostrek said:

 one being money hungery stero tpye  thing is not just jewish thing  it very comon one for the amish and mennonite also 

I mean not really, but your larger point is valid and correct.  The genesis of the this particular stereotype is the early Catholic Church and, specifically, the highly problematic representation of Judas Iscariot.  Medieval diaspora Jews were restricted to mid level jobs like financing / banking and mercantile due to the constraints of the manorial system, and this compounded their status as outsiders.  Naturally the story of Judas (who most likely did not betray his rabbi) was an easy justification for highly leveraged nobles seeking to skip out on their debt.  It’s progressed to frightening heights in the approximately 1,700 years it’s been propagated.  It’s a highly specific stereotype that can’t be presented generally.

This guy obviously has no idea what the context actually is or else he wouldn’t make such a shallow correlation.

[ghostrek]

4 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

I’m seeing people complained that Jewish culture wasn’t represented in the Star Trek universe. Here’s the thing, I didn’t realize that any religion, or culture was used in a big way to create the universe. 
 

I also feel it’s a little contradictory to make that complaint when one of the most iconic salutes of the series, possibly in all of television, isn’t only Jewish coded it’s explicitly Jewish. It’s weird. Is not that enough? lol wtf do they want? Exodus in there too or something? 

rodenberry was secular-humanist  so did not belive  in a god .  also feel secular-humanist used star trek as replacemnt for holiy text  that might another unstated reason  for video 

[scoobdog]

18 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

OIC Leonard Nimoy had alluded to Roddenberry being callous towards Jews and Judaism but then what I read gave no examples 

Nimoy, Spock, literally took Jewish practice to television with his hand sign when he says “live long and prosper” that’s explicitly and maybe even exclusively Jewish 

 

To be fair, Americans have, much like Europeans before the Holocaust, been callous to Jews and Judaism.  It’s a blindness that perpetually exists and perhaps only recently has been more fully explored because of a rise of unlabelled white nationalism and the actions of far right’s extremism in Israel.

[ghostrek]

3 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

I mean not really, but your larger point is valid and correct.  The genesis of the this particular stereotype is the early Catholic Church and, specifically, the highly problematic representation of Judas Iscariot.  Medieval diaspora Jews were restricted to mid level jobs like financing / banking and mercantile due to the constraints of the manorial system, and this compounded their status as outsiders.  Naturally the story of Judas (who most likely did not betray his rabbi) was an easy justification for highly leveraged nobles seeking to skip out on their debt.  It’s progressed to frightening heights in the approximately 1,700 years it’s been propagated.  It’s a highly specific stereotype that can’t be presented generally.

This guy obviously has no idea what the context actually is or else he wouldn’t make such a shallow correlation.

@scoobdog true.that did happen . odd thing is  jesus crhist was or is (depening how you belive) a jewish man.  yes hate his people fopr killing him  i never got that my self.  i once told some  jeuse christ was not a chriastan(the word mean to fellow christ jesus did nortfellow him self )  

[ghostrek]

4 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

To be fair, Americans have, much like Europeans before the Holocaust, been callous to Jews and Judaism.  It’s a blindness that perpetually exists and perhaps only recently has been more fully explored because of a rise of unlabelled white nationalism and the actions of far right’s extremism in Israel.

yes , i agree with that but also proganda from isreal and usa comon eninmes (iran and all of it pupets all fomer enimes we fougth since the 1980s)

[1pooh4u]

22 minutes ago, ghostrek said:

@1pooh4u coment some one sid nimoy said but best way find  look thorow i am not spock and i am spock,or ask the 3 living star trek actor that are jewish  from tos and tng  on soical madia 

Other Jewish actors made the claim?

[ghostrek]

3 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Other Jewish actors made the claim?

who? shatner never siad it i read both of his book he worte  i dont  know about walter koenig or brent spiner.but dont think  so  

Edited Friday at 11:17 PM by ghostrek

[1pooh4u]

13 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

To be fair, Americans have, much like Europeans before the Holocaust, been callous to Jews and Judaism.  It’s a blindness that perpetually exists and perhaps only recently has been more fully explored because of a rise of unlabelled white nationalism and the actions of far right’s extremism in Israel.

I think it’s maybe a stretch to say someone went from callousness towards Jewish people, to outright ridiculing them through the Ferengi though. It’s a huge leap imo 

[ghostrek]

well nimoy was one but walked it back other  @1pooh4u  other is the Ferengi   face it Armin Shimerman redeem them  in a lot ways  also how lower decks used marrinner's ferengi firend in the show comon   

 

Edited Friday at 11:30 PM by ghostrek

[ghostrek]

@1pooh4u i almost docs my self 

[1pooh4u]

I feel like I should be outraged that in DS9 Jewish actors took over the roles to soften and subvert the assertions that Ferengi are based on antisemitic tropes. 
 

I am mad at those Jewish actors. Wow. wtf? 

[1pooh4u]

3 minutes ago, ghostrek said:

@1pooh4u i almost docs my self 

Did you? Do you need something deleted? 

[1pooh4u]

See Jewish actors playing the Ferengi to soften or subvert a stereotype doesn’t make sense to me. Are they saying greed is our culture so we gotta get it right? Idn get it 

[ghostrek]

2 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Did you? Do you need something deleted? 

I edit  my screen capterual it frist letter of my real name  cant be to carfe full there 

[ghostrek]

4 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

See Jewish actors playing the Ferengi to soften or subvert a stereotype doesn’t make sense to me. Are they saying greed is our culture so we gotta get it right? Idn get it 

@1pooh4u  yes greed thing . which i find wired .  i almost date anitsemite once was schocked trust me it make now fucking snese to me  hate who gruops.

Edited Friday at 11:43 PM by ghostrek

[scoobdog]

25 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

I think it’s maybe a stretch to say someone went from callousness towards Jewish people, to outright ridiculing them through the Ferengi though. It’s a huge leap imo 

Can’t agree more.  That’s why I brought up the Catholic connection:  white nationalists are generally stupid, but they get the religious coding that underpins antisemitism.  To a racist antisemitist, the Shylock villain isn’t just greedy, he’s also a traitor.  (Side note:  Shakespeare most likely was an active antisemite, as Tudor English typically would have been.)

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, ghostrek said:

@scoobdog true.that did happen . odd thing is  jesus crhist was or is (depening how you belive) a jewish man.  yes hate his people fopr killing him  i never got that my self.  i once told some  jeuse christ was not a chriastan(the word mean to fellow christ jesus did nortfellow him self )  

That too is the insidiousness of medieval antisemitism.

[ghostrek]

37 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

That too is the insidiousness of medieval antisemitism.

@scoobdog  yes

 

[Insipid]

Um, well this thread took a different turn.

Anyway, this also happened in the same episode of Mad Men featuring the awful Star Trek script.

[ghostrek]

17 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Um, well this thread took a different turn.

Anyway, this also happened in the same episode of Mad Men featuring the awful Star Trek script.

@Insipid you want to slap me why  ? 

[Insipid]

1 hour ago, ghostrek said:

@Insipid you want to slap me why  ? 

I didn't but now I kinda do. 😑