Jman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) Fuck my life. Only thing I can really say is I hope that every department of the federal government Trump-proofs itself as much as possible. Also this is the guy you trust to do what? Lower grocery prices? Put titties back in video games? What? My only real hope at this point is Trump comes in, to say he could win, then Vance 25ths him, which will at least save us from the worst of the foreign policy screw ups. I don’t trust Vance with much of anything, but I do kind of hope he does not want to screw over Europe. Edited November 6 by Jman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Author Share Posted November 6 I’m fully expecting Trump to concede to the 25th amendment in exchange for a full pardon. A Dem controlled House probably accepts it just to be done with the orange man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 11 minutes ago, Jman said: I don’t trust Vance with much of anything, but I do kind of hope he does not want to screw over Europe. Vance is literally the biggest Senate proponent for dropping aid to Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Author Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: Vance is literally the biggest Senate proponent for dropping aid to Ukraine. How much of that is trying to placate Trump and Putin? I’m grasping for straws here. I think a lot of the current policy was pushed by Trump ass-kissing, and with him out of the way, things won’t look the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Jman said: How much of that is trying to placate Trump and Putin? I’m grasping for straws here. I think a lot of the current policy was pushed by Trump ass-kissing, and with him out of the way, things won’t look the same. I'm fairly confident that was even before the veepstakes. He's just one of those isolationist people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortedreasoning Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 6 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: Vance is literally the biggest Senate proponent for dropping aid to Ukraine. they say that but lets see if they drop aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Jman said: I’m fully expecting Trump to concede to the 25th amendment in exchange for a full pardon. A Dem controlled House probably accepts it just to be done with the orange man. I don't see it happening. He's going to try going further against his opponents and we can only hope his incompetence and age hold him back. The guys he started with were routinely ineffective out of sheer stupidity, and he's got nothing but significantly dumber people now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Author Share Posted November 6 (edited) 6 minutes ago, naraku360 said: I don't see it happening. He's going to try going further against his opponents and we can only hope his incompetence and age hold him back. The guys he started with were routinely ineffective out of sheer stupidity, and he's got nothing but significantly dumber people now. Dude wants out of jail. He doesn’t want to run the country. Unfortunately, Vance and his master Thiel DO want to run the country. It’s why I see them negotiating that nice ride into the sunset where he can grift all he wants and gets a clean sheet, instead of you know, joining Diddy in jail. On the plus side, it keeps the real crazies like Kennedy away from any real power. Which is cold, cold comfort. Edited November 6 by Jman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, naraku360 said: The guys he started with were routinely ineffective out of sheer stupidity, and he's got nothing but significantly dumber people now. He started with half his team being responsible adults willing to check him, all of which spoke out against him in some fashion. The only question on his interview list now is "how loyal are you to me personally?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Jman said: Dude wants out of jail. He doesn’t want to run the country. Unfortunately, Vance and his master Thiel DO want to run the country. It’s why I see them negotiating that nice ride into the sunset where he can grift all he wants and gets a clean sheet, instead of you know, joining Diddy in jail. On the plus side, it keeps the real crazies like Kennedy away from any real power. Which is cold, cold comfort. I don't doubt he has no interest in running the country. I just question whether he's intelligent enough, nor capable of getting past his vanity to do it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: He started with half his team being responsible adults willing to check him, all of which spoke out against him in some fashion. The only question on his interview list now is "how loyal are you to me personally?" Luckily the people he has now are literally incapable of doing just about any job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Author Share Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, naraku360 said: I don't doubt he has no interest in running the country. I just question whether he's intelligent enough, nor capable of getting past his vanity to do it. I’m sure a clean rap sheet and a big parade would do it. He gets to say he’s better than Sleepy Joe because he didn’t hide it or some BS. It’s the Whig party all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 The next 4 years are going to be terrible 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, Jman said: I’m sure a clean rap sheet and a big parade would do it. He gets to say he’s better than Sleepy Joe because he didn’t hide it or some BS. It’s the Whig party all over again. I dunno. Fascists are brilliant in their levels of stupid malice. He may not want the presidency, but he may want the revenge more than the parade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Author Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, naraku360 said: I dunno. Fascists are brilliant in their levels of stupid malice. He may not want the presidency, but he may want the revenge more than the parade. You may be right. I’m trying to be optimistic. And it’s telling THIS is what passes for optimism, having a Heritage Foundation isolationist who at least has his temper in check and sees the value in modernized electric grids and shit. A low, LOW bar everyone. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 18 minutes ago, Jman said: You may be right. I’m trying to be optimistic. And it’s telling THIS is what passes for optimism, having a Heritage Foundation isolationist who at least has his temper in check and sees the value in modernized electric grids and shit. A low, LOW bar everyone. There is something to the idea that Trump is so stupid that he will ruin everything and face a backlash. I just hope we survive it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 22 minutes ago, Jman said: You may be right. I’m trying to be optimistic. And it’s telling THIS is what passes for optimism, having a Heritage Foundation isolationist who at least has his temper in check and sees the value in modernized electric grids and shit. A low, LOW bar everyone. It's not impossible he bails for a pardon or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I’m hoping living in NY means my life won’t end up that badly impacted but I doubt it. I rely on the ACA for my insurance. I hope Trump doesn’t give musk or RFK jr jobs where they can fuck shit up. He had the senate during his first term. I guarantee you this after two years of him republican incumbents will be in big fuckin trouble in both houses. He’s going to get 2 SC picks. Justice Thomas said he would retire (I always fuckin confuse him w Roberts for some reason🫠) if Trump won and another Justice too was going to retire as well. Yeah they’re both conservative justices but he’s gonna put in someone who will stay for many many decades. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Author Share Posted November 6 (edited) Also, and this is semi-related, don’t be surprised if Elon advocates for a mass launch of sulfur dioxide in the atmosphere to lower the world’s temperature 5 degrees or so. Because he’s all about dramatic ways to fix problems instead of you know, public transportation. Edited November 6 by Jman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 So Trump accomplished his primary objective: Avoid prosecution. I doubt he really gives a shit about anything else. He is lazy and stupid. He is going to leave the actual work to those around him, primarily Vance and Stephen Miller will be the ones doing the actual work. That would not be good. I don’t see how Trump is going to make it to 2028 considering his cognitive and physical health. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 It’s a lot to process but the anxiety of not knowing is over. Now it’s time to get ready for at least two shitty years of Republican control of all three branches. On the bright side it is hard to see how Trump can make it through a full term or how Republicans can be a functional party even in power. I just hate this cycle where we have presidents that improve things immensely like Clinton and Oba and then we go to dog shit like Bush and Trump. I just want to have a time when we have a steady path of continual improvement instead of building up and tearing down. But really, does anyone think these guys are going to have good will for long? Last time Trump squandered it all within a month. Now he has surrounded himself with nothing but idiots, lunatics and assholes along with unchecked power. Is someone who can’t even grab a door handle without giving it three tries going to keep it for long? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I have never seriously considered emigrating from the United States. I know it's a lengthy, tiresome process, but I also feel you make your own destiny so why not do it? I know one person who is, or was, an American who moved to Canada, and I was always surprised by the thought of someone just leaving to live somewhere else. Like, they just decided they didn't like it here and wanted to go somewhere they liked better. So it's got to be a little bit realistic. Yeah yeah, I know no place is perfect, but are you really going to argue that some other countries are not better to live in? I'll look into it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Belize said: I have never seriously considered emigrating from the United States. I know it's a lengthy, tiresome process, but I also feel you make your own destiny so why not do it? I know one person who is, or was, an American who moved to Canada, and I was always surprised by the thought of someone just leaving to live somewhere else. Like, they just decided they didn't like it here and wanted to go somewhere they liked better. So it's got to be a little bit realistic. Yeah yeah, I know no place is perfect, but are you really going to argue that some other countries are not better to live in? I'll look into it. I genuinely think blue states will be safe Edited November 6 by matrixman124 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 A brief internet search says if you work remotely for an employer based outside of Canada (which would be me), you don't need a work permit. You can just get a 6-month visitor visa and extend it indefinitely. So, I could just find a place to rent, get a visitor's visa and go. If I ever change employers or want to be a permanent resident, that would be a lot more steps to take. It could be fun. It would be an experience at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Author Share Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: I genuinely think blue states will be safe I know some people online who swear by the adage “nothing ever happens.” I want them to be right. I really do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 7 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: I genuinely think blue states will be safe I hope so, but if his "don't send aid to blue states" shit during covid was any indication, we may be targeted with greater force than red. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, naraku360 said: I hope so, but if his "don't send aid to blue states" shit during covid was any indication, we may be targeted with greater force than red. He can cut federal funding sure. But that's the most he can do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, matrixman124 said: He can cut federal funding sure. But that's the most he can do I mean force as in militias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, naraku360 said: I mean force as in militias. If he wants to start a civil war that nobody wants except for an ultra tiny minority Also DC is surrounded by blue states and is blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 So, anyone want to guess what year President J.D. Vance’s term starts? Because, you know, look at Trump. Even if he didn’t do the “weave” you can tell that guy is t well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 16 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: If he wants to start a civil war that nobody wants except for an ultra tiny minority Also DC is surrounded by blue states and is blue He could trigger a constitutional crisis involving the military if he orders them to turn on American citizens. He may have a lot of generals on his side but I doubt all of them would have the stomach for it, let alone guys who say “I didn’t enlist for this.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, _lost_username_ said: He could trigger a constitutional crisis involving the military if he orders them to turn on American citizens. He may have a lot of generals on his side but I doubt all of them would have the stomach for it, let alone guys who say “I didn’t enlist for this.” Especially if they're not all from red states The military could stage a coup on him if he tried pulling something crazy like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Author Share Posted November 6 (edited) 4 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: Especially if they're not all from red states The military could stage a coup on him if he tried pulling something crazy like that Honestly at this point we deserve a military ruling dictatorship. I’m also pretty sure the military seizing power from an uneducated citizenry and ineffective government is the backstory for Starship Troopers (the book). Edited November 6 by Jman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 30 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: If he wants to start a civil war that nobody wants except for an ultra tiny minority Also DC is surrounded by blue states and is blue He had the Proud Boys going around Portland starting riots to blame on Antifa. He sent the National Guard to Minneapolis. There's going to be violence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 11 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: Especially if they're not all from red states The military could stage a coup on him if he tried pulling something crazy like that I think at that point the country is done. When you have the military fighting itself, you’re in for years of chaos with the country divided by local installed leaders. Might as well throw the map of the states out too because most states are 30-40 percent of the opposite party of the state’s majority. A situation like that means paramilitary groups running your schools, food rations and deciding if you have the right to live. I would hope sanity would return if it got close to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 15 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: Especially if they're not all from red states The military could stage a coup on him if he tried pulling something crazy like that You're forgetting one very major factor: These are the dumbest motherfuckers imaginable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, _lost_username_ said: I think at that point the country is done. When you have the military fighting itself, you’re in for years of chaos with the country divided by local installed leaders. Might as well throw the map of the states out too because most states are 30-40 percent of the opposite party of the state’s majority. A situation like that means paramilitary groups running your schools, food rations and deciding if you have the right to live. I would hope sanity would return if it got close to that point. Not saying it will. Just that if he stays in office, I doubt he'll abide by legal means to fuck blue states and I suspect he'll use as much violence as he can muster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 31 minutes ago, naraku360 said: You're forgetting one very major factor: These are the dumbest motherfuckers imaginable. Okay but I think panicking about Trump sending the National Guard against the blue states is not going to help. It's spiraling. Trump's evil will be defunding healthcare, education, welfare, environmental protection, food safety. And we need to do what we can to protect people from the fallout Edited November 6 by matrixman124 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: Okay but I think panicking about Trump sending the National Guard against the blue states is not going to help. It's spiraling. Trump's evil will be defunding healthcare, education, welfare, environmental protection, food safety. And we need to do what we can to protect people from the fallout I'm pointing to the violence he's already inflicted on blue states to show that he's directly targeted blue states the last time he was in office, and he's more revenge driven this time. I expect it to be worse but no idea to what degree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 7 minutes ago, naraku360 said: I'm pointing to the violence he's already inflicted on blue states to show that he's directly targeted blue states the last time he was in office, and he's more revenge driven this time. I expect it to be worse but no idea to what degree. Okay but you're wrong about Minneapolis. The governor brought in the National Guard not Trump despite how much Trump wants to claim it's him And the Proud Boys can cause violence but they are not a force like the National Guard Not to mention antifa has been helpful in curbing Proud Boys influence even if Trump declared antifa to be a terrorist group or something like that Edited November 6 by matrixman124 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 43 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: Okay but you're wrong about Minneapolis. The governor brought in the National Guard not Trump despite how much Trump wants to claim it's him And the Proud Boys can cause violence but they are not a force like the National Guard Not to mention antifa has been helpful in curbing Proud Boys influence even if Trump declared antifa to be a terrorist group or something like that Forgot about the Minneapolis thing, but that doesn't change the Proud Boys have been taking marching orders from Trump, nor that he 100% guaranteed will use them in blue states if he doesn't go for a pardon. Literally all I'm saying is that they may be aafer legally, but when the actual fuck has Trump cared about laws? He'd use anything he can, legislation be damned and he doesn't have anyone holding him back now. I wouldn't describe anywhere as safe. Blue states are just a different type of danger. I'm more worried about his dumbfuck fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, naraku360 said: Forgot about the Minneapolis thing, but that doesn't change the Proud Boys have been taking marching orders from Trump, nor that he 100% guaranteed will use them in blue states if he doesn't go for a pardon. Literally all I'm saying is that they may be aafer legally, but when the actual fuck has Trump cared about laws? He'd use anything he can, legislation be damned and he doesn't have anyone holding him back now. I wouldn't describe anywhere as safe. Blue states are just a different type of danger. I'm more worried about his dumbfuck fans. The proud boys are thugs and they are idiots if they think they can get away with terrorizing people in blue states 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: The proud boys are thugs and they are idiots if they think they can get away with terrorizing people in blue states Would really suck if cops joined them, wouldn't it? Oh, wait, that was only exactly 2020....... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Ill keep analyzing the election outcomes, but now lets look at some of the practical immediate impacts now that Trump has won. First off, Jack Smith is done. The DOJ has already announced they are dropping all cases against Trump and plan to remove Jack Smith from his current role. The show trials are over, and its ended predictably. Politically, Trump has a clear mandate. It didnt seem like it would be possible this year, but he does have one. Hes on track for 300+ ECs, and winning the popular vote. No Republican has won the popular vote in 20 years, and many Democrats said it was not possible for that to ever happen again. And yet here we are, he has done it. What he does with his mandate will be interesting. The economy is the #1 issue, and he has an opportunity to rebuild the economy as he sees fit. SCOTUS and Justices - extremely high likelihood that the GOP lean on Thomas to retire so that Trump can replace him with a much younger justice. With the Senate being firmly in the GOPs hands Murkowski and Collins cant slowroll this either. The GOP doesnt technically need their votes to confirm a justice. This also means that, for at least the next 2 years, if any of the Democratic justices leave the bench then Trump can replace them. Theres a very real chance that Trump will wind up appointing 5-6 of the 9 Justices before this is all said and done. This same dynamic also applies for justices across the legal system. The GOP have the chance to nominate and approve as many justices as they can in the first 2 years of the Trump campaign. Middle East is going to look a lot different. Trump will clearly stand up to Iran and wont let their crap fly anymore. It also means that Israel doesnt have to worry about being stabbed in the back. Bigger picture is that Saudi and Israel are likely going to normalize relations, potentially earlier in 2025 after he is in the White House. Paris Accords - dead and buried. US is going to back out, again, and this time probably means they will die forever. Theres a whole lot more, but these are some of the bigger immediate swings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Author Share Posted November 6 The Paris Accords is what worries me. We need a clean environment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, Jman said: The Paris Accords is what worries me. We need a clean environment. Theres still going to be a clean environment, it just wont be dictated by trans-national elites. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Author Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Master-Debater131 said: Theres still going to be a clean environment, it just wont be dictated by trans-national elites. I fully expect Musk and friends to attempt something crazy vs a green energy transition, like sulfur dioxide geo-engineering. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 6 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: Theres still going to be a clean environment, it just wont be dictated by trans-national elites. Good luck with that with the EPA gutted 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 11 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: Theres still going to be a clean environment Stfu 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 10 minutes ago, Jman said: I fully expect Musk and friends to attempt something crazy vs a green energy transition, like sulfur dioxide geo-engineering. Now introducing dynamite-powered cars! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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