Predict Toonami in 2025

[Toonamiguy321]

1 hour ago, Sketch said:

Sure, Sailor Moon is on Hulu but so are a bunch of other shows that people would like to see on Toonami, including some with over 100 episodes that have never aired on Toonami. I don’t think they should abandon the audience that was watching it on Rewind unless the numbers were dismal enough that they weren’t gonna get more even if they couldn’t bring back Family Guy.

A 5pm Friday audience is not going to migrate to 2am or later, it’s just not gonna happen. The audience got the full S1 experience, they should be happy with that and move on. 
 

People got their chance with these shows and blew it, no sense having them tank Saturday too. 

[MasqueradeOverture]

New Toonami theme dropped:

 

[Jman]

4 hours ago, Toonamiguy321 said:

A 5pm Friday audience is not going to migrate to 2am or later, it’s just not gonna happen. The audience got the full S1 experience, they should be happy with that and move on. 
 

People got their chance with these shows and blew it, no sense having them tank Saturday too. 

No one has to migrate to those hours anymore.  Even nowadays the big measure of success for Adult Swim originals is their Max viewers.  It’s why you could tell MAWS and Ninja Kamui were doing well but comparatively IFG is bombing.

We are in the twilight of linear cable.  And this is just an example of those shifting audiences.

Edited Friday at 11:55 AM by Jman

[KageRageX]

Wow.

Yeah, they bought this on themselves.

Now stop wasting your non-existent budget on bullshit and give us some real shows.

[OwlChemist81]

Daima fail incoming...

...but was there ever a question they would fail to get it? Uzumaki for January 4th is a strange choice, but I do expect 2025 to be a twisted year at this point, so it makes sense.

As for January 11th, looks like the meek in magic but mighty in muscles shall inherit Midnight, and Naruto comes over from Rewind at 2:30.

Disappointing start to the year.

[brianycpht]

Just now, OwlChemist81 said:

Daima fail incoming...

 

They really let us down here 

Really nothing better than IFG reruns 

This is just ugly- no getting around it 

[OwlChemist81]

Hopefully that IFG at 12:30 is just a placeholder for something else, and when that other show hits, it falls to 3 AM. How many more episodes are left of that RATAM rerun? 3, right? It got to play 5 in November and not counting the 12/28 marathon 2 in December, right?

Also, this feels like a slap in the face to One Piece, which could EASILY air at 12:30 since it has before. So, I expect something new at Midnight on 1/25. Only that makes sense if they're avoiding an OP kneejerk despite the fact it hasn't aired for almost a month anyway by then.

[brianycpht]

6 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Hopefully that IFG at 12:30 is just a placeholder for something else, and when that other show hits, it falls to 3 AM. How many more episodes are left of that RATAM rerun? 3, right? It got to play 5 in November and not counting the 12/28 marathon 2 in December, right?

Also, this feels like a slap in the face to One Piece, which could EASILY air at 12:30 since it has before. So, I expect something new at Midnight on 2/1. Only that makes sense if they're avoiding an OP kneejerk despite the fact it hasn't aired for almost a month anyway by then.

They didn’t get Daima or MHA 

If they had either of these coming they wouldn’t move Mash to midnight

They really screwed up here. They can’t get the big shows and refuse to look at anything else. 
 

Keeping the block stalled with reruns waiting for these shows a year after they air is a bad strategy. They could easily populate the block with lesser known SENTAI or Aniplex shows and at least keep things moving but they don’t even consider it 

They need someone at the helm who understands these companies are not picking up the phone and go after shows that are available 

[OwlChemist81]

Changed it to 1/25.

RATAM Dub so far...

November: 2; 9;16; 23; 30 (5/10).

December: 7; 14 (7/10).

3 remaining in January: 4; 11; 18.

Slot opens for potential new show on 1/25.

[brianycpht]

36 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Changed it to 1/25.

RATAM Dub so far...

November: 2; 9;16; 23; 30 (5/10).

December: 7; 14 (7/10).

3 remaining in January: 4; 11; 18.

Slot opens for potential new show on 1/25

Maybe 
 

They lost their last bit of goodwill with me for now

[Jman]

Daima Dub is a Crunchyroll Exclusive.

Flop Girl reruns in pole position.

No Creature Commandos even though it is doing numbers on Max.

Toonami presents Mashle and one big old lump of coal.

[brianycpht]

1 minute ago, Jman said:

Daima Dub is a Crunchyroll Exclusive.

Flop Girl reruns in pole position.

No Creature Commandos even though it is doing numbers on Max.

Toonami presents Mashle and one big old lump of coal.

Toonami can’t play with the big boys anymore 

They need to face reality 
They need to look elsewhere for shows they can actually get. 

[Jman]

This morning Netflix announced it was going to get the FIFA women’s World Cup exclusive rights.  This is on top of Monday Night Raw and NFL.

Warner has moved all its sports content to Max without needing any sort of cable subscription.

ESPN is launching an independent streaming service that doesn’t require a cable subscription.

We are in the twilight of cable and Toonami’s anemic state, coupled with even the Adult Swim originals relying more heavily on Max viewership than linear numbers, is proof of that.

[brianycpht]

1 minute ago, Jman said:

This morning Netflix announced it was going to get the FIFA women’s World Cup exclusive rights.  This is on top of Monday Night Raw and NFL.

Warner has moved all its sports content to Max without needing any sort of cable subscription.

ESPN is launching an independent streaming service that doesn’t require a cable subscription.

We are in the twilight of cable and Toonami’s anemic state, coupled with even the Adult Swim originals relying more heavily on Max viewership than linear numbers, is proof of that.

I think it’s time to say Goodbye and at least go out on a high note 

If TOEI doesn’t even see the value of a TV Premeire anymore, the odds of them getting any show even in the same season are next to nothing now 

Edited Friday at 06:38 PM by brianycpht

[Toonamiguy321]

Ok, I know I’m usually a doomer but a lot of it is theatrics for laughs and I’m not usually that worried. Now I’m genuinely worried about the future here. I always thought Daima would be a longshot for them just because of its status, but I always felt MHA S7 was a sure thing once the budget reset. Instead we are getting a heaping helping of nothing. A garbo marathon to start the year of a show that should be left in 2024 doesn’t inspire much confidence. 
 

Mash up front, ok that’s good news, the singular show on this block worth watching is in the lead slot so at least I can go to bed at 12:30

IFG reruns at 12:30? Fucking why? Another thing that should be left in 2024, not clogging up the second slot.

Those Naruto episodes better be picking up from where Rewind stopped and then not getting renewed when they run out. Imagine that shit starting back over from episode 1. 

Same feeling for Kai, exhaust the license then let it go. I assume the way they adjusted the Rewind schedule was not due to episode limits but rather due to wanting Rewind to end on Goku going super saiyan. 

Why the fuck is Rick still on the schedule when it’s doing a full series marathon on the 28th? A third thing that should stay in 2024. 
 

Two fucking premiers. Seven slots, two premiers. You thought three would be the record low but here we are, a few months later at two. 
 

Not a lot of hope for this schedule being temporary either. Best case scenario would be IFG moving to 3 when Rick ends and then something new going there. I’d assume Mashle in the lead is preparation for it to be replaced by Lazarus in February. 

[PokeNirvash]

Everyone else: IT'S OVER TOONAMI IS FINISHED

Me:

[Mr. Idea Box]

I really don't want to join the bandwagon here, but even I think this is a rough start to 2025.

Kicking it off with an out-of-season Uzumaki marathon? Airing possible reruns at 12:30? Not a single new show until February, even if 3 AM has a vacancy on the 25th?

I suppose I was right, though. My base predictions were going to be inaccurate by New Year's Day. I just thought there would be something more substantial than this.

Two premieres in January, and one of them is One Piece. TWO PREMIERES.

I get the feeling the wrong people are being punished for War of the Rothirim. Namely, us.

[Sketch]

Yep this sucks. Down to 2 premieres and they have an hour of reruns between them.

Daima dreams are dead. They might get it a few weeks later but that’s yet another show they can only get after most people stopped waiting to watch it. If they can’t even get a Toei license the same week as CR they are absolutely cooked for airing acquisitions in a timely manner. Dr. Stone is our one hope and only if TMS makes it so.

I have a bit of a hard time believing that Toei wasn’t willing to sell the TV rights of Daima to Toonami so more likely it came down to money. In the past, AS was willing to spend big to get Dragon Ball series and if that’s no longer the case then no acquisition is guaranteed if they don’t have the budget. But I won’t rule out the possibility that Toonami can get Daima once the budget resets. That’s just terrible planning on their part. Not so bad if it’s just a week or two but if it’s a month or more they really dropped the ball.

Naruto moves to Saturday but no Sailor Moon? Way to get your priorities wrong. If it’s just 40-52 then whatever… they might as well air those. If they start from the top then cut it after Land of Waves ends and don’t renew it. At least we’re saved from double Kai.

I’m hoping Sailor Moon being MIA means if anything they will pick up Sailor Moon R and just start there. But instead of a almost entirely pointless Uzumaki marathon (technically the first time Toonami plays the dub) I would have done a speed run of Sailor Moon airing every episode that introduces a scout then have weekly reruns of the last leg of the season after Venus is introduced.

I’m rather surprised that Fight Girl is rerunning much less at 12:30am. Maybe it’s a good sign that they aren’t immediately tossing it out of the airlock?

I get the feeling that IFG reruns and the Uzumaki marathon are trying to squeeze a bit more out of both with Family Guy around to lift the night. With the fat guy on (albeit hours earlier) they might actually do as well or better than the premieres did. Which is sad but ratings are ratings.

Faithful’s advocate… they get something worthwhile by February with the budget reset but in the meantime we get the dregs and that’s not gonna help them retain their dwindling viewership. Their old tricks have long stopped working and they don’t have much of a leg to stand on. They need to look outside the box if they hope to appeal to anyone for much longer.

[Toonamiguy321]

2 hours ago, Sketch said:

Faithful’s advocate… they get something worthwhile by February with the budget reset but in the meantime we get the dregs and that’s not gonna help them retain their dwindling viewership. Their old tricks have long stopped working and they don’t have much of a leg to stand on. They need to look outside the box if they hope to appeal to anyone for much longer.

What’s with the “when the budget resets” cope? This IS the budget reset schedule. For anyone in doubt, revisit the AssClass S2 promo. I’ll save you some clicks, air date - 1/1/22. Budget resets January 1, and it looks like Toonami is going into 2025 with a significantly reduced one. 
 

I have to agree with Brian, if there was a near future plan, Mashle would not have been elevated to midnight. They are likely parking that there for 6 weeks till it ends S1. I’d also argue as it’s a new year and One Piece is reset, they could have burned 1-2 weeks on double OP for an easily flexible slot + silent statement something new is around the corner. 
 

The singular piece of flexibility they have given themselves is 12:30 IFG, which if they do utilize, will have the bad optics of being demoted from 12:30 to 3. 
 

2 hours ago, Sketch said:

I’m hoping Sailor Moon being MIA means if anything they will pick up Sailor Moon R and just start there. But instead of a almost entirely pointless Uzumaki marathon (technically the first time Toonami plays the dub) I would have done a speed run of Sailor Moon airing every episode that introduces a scout then have weekly reruns of the last leg of the season after Venus is introduced.

I’m sure this isn’t what you want to hear, as you seem dead set on Sailor Moon continuing, but maybe it’s just not and there never was a plan to do so? Naruto is there, but Naruto has unaired episodes still. If they start where Rewind left on, it will be a safe bet they won’t renew the show. 
 

They are sitting at a pitiful 2 show premier block, it’s weird to me seeing people advocate for one of the first years purchases to be an expensive rerun. 

[Sketch]

No I'm pretty sure they had already secured Assassination Classroom's second half with the tail end of the 2021 budget. and held it for January so they'd have something. But they moved like lightning to get Made in Abyss and reacquire One Piece in the weeks that followed.

Even if the budget refreshes on January 1st, they (Kim Manning, Gill, Jason or whoever) have to be "on the clock" to make a deal and so does the other party so deals aren't getting made with the new year budget until after work has resumed. I don't believe it is exactly on the 1st of the year but it is within the first week. So I don't think we're seeing the 2025 budget in action yet but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was less than they had in 2024.

Last year they had already secured more Demon Slayer and Lycoris Recoil before the new year and this year it seems the last of their budget went to grabbing Mashle and re-upping Blue Exorcist which would carry them into 2025. There's no doubt they were eyeing Daima and they probably hoped that was a big enough deal for the network to give them extra budget but it's not 2016 anymore.

I could get into the technicalities of how Viz's dub of Sailor Moon R is new by many metrics and offers a very different experience than what aired over 25 years ago but the more worthwhile argument is it's something Toonami can feasibly get and those options are dwindling. We can speculate they're not talking to Sentai but we have no freak'n idea if that is the case or not. For all we know, Made in Abyss was all that could squeak by before AMC changed it's tune in a similar vein to Crunchyroll. Maybe it's not the best idea to outright abandon the option when they are down to 2 premieres?

[brianycpht]

15 minutes ago, Sketch said:

No I'm pretty sure they had already secured Assassination Classroom's second half with the tail end of the 2021 budget. and held it for January so they'd have something. But they moved like lightning to get Made in Abyss and reacquire One Piece in the weeks that followed.

Even if the budget refreshes on January 1st, they (Kim Manning, Gill, Jason or whoever) have to be "on the clock" to make a deal and so does the other party so deals aren't getting made with the new year budget until after work has resumed. I don't believe it is exactly on the 1st of the year but it is within the first week. So I don't think we're seeing the 2025 budget in action yet but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was less than they had in 2024.

Last year they had already secured more Demon Slayer and Lycoris Recoil before the new year and this year it seems the last of their budget went to grabbing Mashle and re-upping Blue Exorcist which would carry them into 2025. There's no doubt they were eyeing Daima and they probably hoped that was a big enough deal for the network to give them extra budget but it's not 2016 anymore.

I could get into the technicalities of how Viz's dub of Sailor Moon R is new by many metrics and offers a very different experience than what aired over 25 years ago but the more worthwhile argument is it's something Toonami can feasibly get and those options are dwindling. We can speculate they're not talking to Sentai but we have no freak'n idea if that is the case or not. For all we know, Made in Abyss was all that could squeak by before AMC changed its tune in a similar vein to Crunchyroll. Maybe it's not the best idea to outright abandon the option when they are down to 2 premieres?

Hate to say it, but I don’t think the current WBD management is interested in paying huge money for a show they won’t own and they can’t stream on MAX. Especially if it’s non exclusive 

Super was different. I think AS had more of a stake in it. They had rerun rights, had the dub exclusively, they even had merchandise and swag that they were giving away at cons and such. 
 

Super also was an ongoing show with no end date when they got it and this show is only 20 episodes. Super was much more of an insurance policy for long term benefits and likely thought it was well worth the cost. Not to mention viewership was much higher 

I just have a hard time believing TOEI would be satisfied with the dub only being on CR. I’m waiting to see if it shows up anywhere else 

 

[Toonamiguy321]

21 minutes ago, Sketch said:

No I'm pretty sure they had already secured Assassination Classroom's second half with the tail end of the 2021 budget. and held it for January so they'd have something. But they moved like lightning to get Made in Abyss and reacquire One Piece in the weeks that followed.

Yet sat on the news till 1/1, which meant AssClass S2 had less than 1 week of promotion before going on air? Unlikely. Better theory is they hammered out the deal before the holidays, but the check didn’t clear to make it official until midnight on 1/1, which was when they could drop the announcement. 
 

Each distributor is different. Demon Slayer and Lycoris could have been 2023 budget, but neither was made official until 2024. The way it seems to me is Aniplex is just excited to share news and blabbed early but it doesn’t matter because they are the distributor. After that, AS seems to have reined them in since BE and Mashle didn’t leak months beforehand. 
 

Im sure they were eyeing Daima too, but they had to know landing it was a longshot. You don’t need to work in TV to know the most popular anime franchise ever will have a lot of competition for its final installment prior to the creators death. There should have been a back up plan in the very real event they could not secure the show. 

On that note, we really need to be asking where MHA is, because it’s out of plausible excuses for why it’s not airing yet. Did CR close up the last loopholes Toonami was using to get sequels? Because if so, that could be a problem with Dr Stone and Fire Force later in 2025. 
 

31 minutes ago, Sketch said:

I could get into the technicalities of how Viz's dub of Sailor Moon R is new by many metrics and offers a very different experience than what aired over 25 years ago but the more worthwhile argument is it's something Toonami can feasibly get and those options are dwindling. We can speculate they're not talking to Sentai but we have no freak'n idea if that is the case or not. For all we know, Made in Abyss was all that could squeak by before AMC changed it's tune in a similar vein to Crunchyroll. Maybe it's not the best idea to outright abandon the option when they are down to 2 premieres?

Yes yes, the same technicalities people use when a show gets remastered in HD. It’s the same damn show. And if you have been perusing posts about why Rewind flopped, one of the most repeated criticisms for the block is that very new dub rather than the DiC one everyone remembers. Now don’t get me wrong, the DiC dub licks ass and I’m not defending or advocating for it. But that nostalgia base? That’s what they wanted. So I wouldn’t say the new dub is a good selling point for why it should continue airing. 
 

You are right, Sentai hasn’t been on the block since Made in Abyss. I stand by the reason for that is Demarco being an idiot, but for the sake of the argument, let’s say they are off the table for a valid reason. We know Aniplex is being very cooperative, and if we can get SM, we can get whatever from Viz. There are plenty of options in both of those catalogs to choose from that are brand new to Toonami and should have full priority over any rerun, especially in the blocks current state. 
 

Now I know what you will follow up with, Sailor Moon is “proven”. Proven at what? Getting Rewind cancelled? Meanwhile, the previously untested Aniplex title of Mashle, is doing more than acceptable for its 12:30 timeslot from the weeks we have seen reported. So that’s another point to the “if it’s new people will watch” camp. 
 

18 minutes ago, brianycpht said:

Hate to say it, but I don’t think the current WBD management is interested in paying huge money for a show they won’t own and they can’t stream on MAX. Especially if it’s non exclusive 

Super was different. I think AS had more of a stake in it. They had rerun rights, had the dub exclusively, they even had merchandise and swag that they were giving away at cons and such. 
 

Super also was an ongoing show with no end date when they got it and this show is only 20 episodes. Super was much more of an insurance policy for long term benefits and likely thought it was well worth the cost. Not to mention viewership was much higher 

I just have a hard time believing TOEI would be satisfied with the dub only being on CR. I’m waiting to see if it shows up anywhere else 

 

Even back in those days when Toonami was in a much better place financially and standing wise among anime distributors, Demarco was skeptical if they could actually get Super. Even with the dumb 8pm premier it had to do for awhile, they walked away with a pretty healthy deal. Wouldn’t surprise me if WBD said get that deal again or don’t get it. 
 

Id think at the very least, Toei would want it on Netflix. They are already very cozy with them with all the One Piece projects. 

[brianycpht]

Back in 2016, Demarco saw his main competitors in getting Super were other cable channels. This was especially true because TOEI wanted it marketed to children. TOEI also would never dream of it going to streaming first. 
 

I’m with you on the Netflix question. That’s arguably the service most likely to be in most households and they have the worst Daima deal with it being a week behind. Hulu/Disney currently doesn’t have the dub on the schedule, but you know what is? The dub of MHA season 7. In fact, the first half is already on there and the rest is coming in January. So this definitely isn’t CR holding it back. Hulu probably secured the second position rights 

[Sketch]

I actually wasn't going to say Sailor Moon is proven because 5pm performance on a Friday evening means little compared to 12:30am performance on Toonami. We don't actually know how Sailor Moon did with any demographic of note beyond social media reception which was pretty divided between people who loved having it back on TV and the people who bemoaned it wasn't nostalgic enough. You actually think it's better to get the scraps of Viz's catalog over Sailor Moon R? Several of those shows are single seasons with no continuation. Accel World might be something or maybe Mr. Osomatsu if we're going Pop Team Epic levels of out of the box but Sailor Moon R is still reasonably a better choice than either of those or anything else Viz can offer Toonami that hasn't already aired on the network. I will continue to shake my fist that they didn't air Tiger & Bunny before Netflix got season 2.

Not sure what the limits are with Aniplex but I don't think they're going to be able to get more than 2 at a time, in which case I roll my eyes even more at bringing back Blue Exorcist over anything that hadn't already aired on the network. At least Sailor Moon is an entirely different dub all the other HD remasters Toonami has picked up besides Kai were the same old dubs (in all cases for the better but I digress).

I suppose I'm willing to believe your "can't promote it till the check clears" theory with Assassination Classroom given the late promotion. In which case they didn't plan as well this time but I'm not willing to write off January entirely just yet.

As Bryan mentioned, MHA season 7's dub is already partially on Hulu and the 2nd half joins in January. Seems like they might be the reason why Toonami hasn't been able to get it yet, just like back in 2017.

Also seems like CR might have outbid to exclusively stream Daima's dub. If it doesn't show up on Hulu or Netflix soon then that's pretty solid evidence CR managed to pull that off. Given CR was in charge of dubbing it, maybe they had some weird deal where CR offered dubbing services as part of their bid to sway things in their favor? Since Toei controls the license they normally would be paying for the dub like they do with One Piece and did with Dragon Ball Super but if CR could have offered them a big discount or outright battered dub services to secure exclusivity for the dub on top of paying whatever Toei asked.

[Jman]

You would think at the very least Warner would want Creature Commandos if only to promote a certain film that they want as a summer tentpole.

To me it’s pretty clear that the cable lineup is far down their list of priorities, and we may see significant movement to divest from them this year.  It is over, the Flop Girl is the proof of it, and DeMarco is trying to convince people Lazarus won’t be like every other flop he’s produced.  Even Viz seems happy to have Bleach on Hulu.

[Toonamiguy321]

12 hours ago, Sketch said:

We don't actually know how Sailor Moon did with any demographic of note beyond social media reception which was pretty divided between people who loved having it back on TV and the people who bemoaned it wasn't nostalgic enough.

Ah but we do know how well it did. Never well enough to chart, and not well enough to keep Rewind from being cancelled. Not the most accurate metric but we have to work with what we have, and that’s not a glowing review for the show. 
 

12 hours ago, Sketch said:

You actually think it's better to get the scraps of Viz's catalog over Sailor Moon R? Several of those shows are single seasons with no continuation.

100% I do. Because it’s historically proven that the Toonami audience will turn out for NEW content, while rerun content is ignored by all but the diehard full block watchers. Accel World is probably the best pick of the litter between being an action show and ever so lightly tied to the SAO universe. Bonus points for its goofy dub. You know how often people cite the very unfunny Ghost Stories dub as a dub worth remembering? That mindset alone would get people to sit through Accel World. 
 

With a quick catalog skim I’m seeing Coppellion, Blood Lad, K, and Terra Formers as Toonami appropriate picks. Tiger and Bunny too, but that’s not an option. Admittedly, not a long list of content. If we do each one of these one at a time, in 1.5 years or so, the Viz well is dry. And that’s when I would concede it’s time to consider Sailor Moon. But hey, that’s 1.5 years of fresh content which is better than 0 years. 
 

Toonami can’t subsist on being a rerun dumpster like it currently is. Family Guy can augment a good lineups ratings, but it won’t make people stick around for hours of reruns. We are going to see a lot of people watching Mashle and bailing because the only other premier is an hour later and just starting the worst part of one of its worst arcs. If you skip OP for 3-4 months and come back, the Doffy fight will not have progressed. 
 

Their number one priority right now should be securing 2-3 more premiers and getting the block back to 4-5 straight premiers. Once that is done, maybe discuss parking Sailor Moon behind One Piece, IF it’s borderline free. We don’t want to come up short late 2025 budget wise because of it. 

[KageRageX]

Wow.

Welp, I guess I'll just skip the block next month.

But seriously tho, if they can't even use their damn common sense with this, then I'm out.

The day TOM signs off for good, I'm launching my own Toonami Aftermath-esque pirate anime network, copyright be damned at this point.

I'm just done dealing with their shit.

[Toonamiguy321]

On todays episode of the dumbest shit I have ever seen, Naruto is restarting from episode 1 on January 11th. 
 

Months of dull ass setup episodes before even having the chance at them airing Zabuza, which hey, they will probably skip again when this move gutters viewership. 

[Sketch]

Restarting Naruto again is such a slap in the face. They’re still adding eps on-demand inexplicably but nobody will bother watching it that way when Hulu gives you the full OP and ED uncut experience.

They probably have it for a year which means the contract will end around May. Just trudge along through Zabuza then pull it after episode 19 and I won’t consider this a complete waste of time. However if they pull it early due to lack of interest even in the low stakes 2:30 slot that cements it, Naruto has no juice left.

And I suppose the fact Naruto is restarting but Sailor Moon isn’t is probably a good indication it didn’t meet expectations. But on the other hand, would they really double up a show for 4 months if it was doing the worst? They could have just pulled it. There clearly was no clause in the Naruto contract that every episode has to air so they aren’t likely to have such a clause for Sailor Moon.

Yet there’s no rerun. Even if they planned to get Sailor Moon R soon it makes little sense to have no reruns reminding people the show is on TV. Unless it costs extra to rerun it there’s no good reason not to throw it on after 2am besides low viewership. That really bums me out. I think they should at least try reruns before they kick it to the curb.

Edited Monday at 06:23 AM by Sketch

[Mr. Idea Box]

8 minutes ago, Sketch said:

Restarting Naruto again is such a slap in the face.

Seconded to the nth degree. I also hope they don't renew that contract and just decide to let it lapse in May, because we'd be back where we started in more ways than one.

[Sketch]

If it was an hour block I could stomach the thought of them reairing 1-52 for the upteenth time but wasting a year on that shit for the 3rd time on Saturday Toonami since 2012? 

[Toonamiguy321]

1 hour ago, Sketch said:

They probably have it for a year which means the contract will end around May. Just trudge along through Zabuza then pull it after episode 19 and I won’t consider this a complete waste of time. However if they pull it early due to lack of interest even in the low stakes 2:30 slot that cements it, Naruto has no juice left.

There is a good chance that the actual contract deal happened 1-2 months prior to Rewind starting. I doubt they got the deal done in May for something that needed to air in May. Imagine if they don’t actually know when they will lose the rights  and it ends up expiring right as the Zabuza arc is supposed to start. We have the potential for something funnier than Pickle Rick to happen here. 
 

By my count, without any delays or having it double up, it catches up to its skip point early April. So there are two scenarios that could happen, it expires before Zabuza even starts completely wasting everyone’s time, or it expires early in the arc, after giving people hope it would air and skipping the best parts. Both hilarious in their own ways. 

[KageRageX]

Fuccckkkkkk.............

Yep. It's official, I'm not watching Toonami anymore unless ABSOLUTELY necessary.

[Jman]

Lazarus, Rooster Fighter, and presumably (if it's still in production) Get Jiro! are the three big tentpoles for the rapidly waning Toonami block this year.  MAWS is there too, but I'm curious how Warner will treat it with Superman due in July.  Maybe a fall release to catch the tail end of the movie hype?  Besides that, we know acquisitions are few and far between and it looks like Creature Commandos is off limits.  So it's up to those three, maybe four shows if Jiro comes out this year, to keep the block afloat.

[KageRageX]

Right. In fact, I could maybe see this as a mapout:

Returns: MHA S7, Demon Slayer, Lycoris Recoil S2, Dr. Stone S3, Fire Force S3, Primal S3, Superman S3, Mashle S2, Blue Exorcist S2+3
Reruns: Sailor Moon, Naruto, Dragon Ball Z Kai, Invincible Fight Girl, Rick and Morty: The Anime, Uzumaki
New Shows: Lazaurs, Rooster Fighter, Get Jiro!, Dragon Ball Daima, Undead Unlock, DanDaDan, random Aniplex title

[brianycpht]

2 hours ago, Jman said:

Lazarus, Rooster Fighter, and presumably (if it's still in production) Get Jiro! are the three big tentpoles for the rapidly waning Toonami block this year.  MAWS is there too, but I'm curious how Warner will treat it with Superman due in July.  Maybe a fall release to catch the tail end of the movie hype?  Besides that, we know acquisitions are few and far between and it looks like Creature Commandos is off limits.  So it's up to those three, maybe four shows if Jiro comes out this year, to keep the block afloat.

Programming absolutely cannot play games here anymore and deprive Toonami of premieres of any action originals or dubs of anime originals 

No Thursday premieres and that includes Primal. During his AMA, Genndy told me he doesn’t make programming or time slot decisions- that’s a network call. So it shouldn’t be an issue 

it’s frustrating because WBD makes enough content to keep Toonami filled with originals, but they all go to MAX. That combined with them not giving Toonami the dubs of the last 2 anime originals and their past giving Thursday the premieres of action shows makes for a very sparse block. But they keep blaming CR for the abysmal state of the block 

[Sketch]

6 hours ago, Toonamiguy321 said:

There is a good chance that the actual contract deal happened 1-2 months prior to Rewind starting. I doubt they got the deal done in May for something that needed to air in May. Imagine if they don’t actually know when they will lose the rights  and it ends up expiring right as the Zabuza arc is supposed to start. We have the potential for something funnier than Pickle Rick to happen here. 
 

By my count, without any delays or having it double up, it catches up to its skip point early April. So there are two scenarios that could happen, it expires before Zabuza even starts completely wasting everyone’s time, or it expires early in the arc, after giving people hope it would air and skipping the best parts. Both hilarious in their own ways. 

They’ll air ep 19 on May 17th. Parasyte started Oct 3rd 2015 and the rerun was hastily finished with a mini marathon on Oct 1st 2016 but we know the deal was made months prior to October so I’m pretty sure the deal date doesn’t set the 52 weeks, the broadcast date does.

 

[Mr. Idea Box]

10 hours ago, KageRageX said:

Right. In fact, I could maybe see this as a mapout:

Returns: MHA S7, Demon Slayer, Lycoris Recoil S2, Dr. Stone S3, Fire Force S3, Primal S3, Superman S3, Mashle S2, Blue Exorcist S2+3
Reruns: Sailor Moon, Naruto, Dragon Ball Z Kai, Invincible Fight Girl, Rick and Morty: The Anime, Uzumaki
New Shows: Lazaurs, Rooster Fighter, Get Jiro!, Dragon Ball Daima, Undead Unlock, DanDaDan, random Aniplex title

Returns: The schedule might be too packed if we had all of these seasons in 2025 alone. I know that's obviously a good thing, but if I could delay some of them, Fire Force S3, Lycoris Recoil S2, Demon Slayer, and S3 of Blue Exorcist might need to wait.

Reruns: We already have these on the schedule, but I'd be happy to see Sailor Moon on there. Doubt it'll happen, though.

New Shows: Daima, Aniplex title, and the originals? Yes. Undead Unluck and DanDaDan? GOOD LUCK.

[Jman]

DanDaDan is doing huge business for Netflix and Crunchyroll.  While it may be a non-exclusive contract, it may also be too popular.

[Top Gun]

It's funny, I only got a handful of episodes into that Naruto run on Rewind before they stupidly cut out one of the best parts of the show. Am I dumb enough to try yet again with this?

[PokeNirvash]

Smart money says yes, but stranger things have happened.

[Sketch]

1 hour ago, Jman said:

DanDaDan is doing huge business for Netflix and Crunchyroll.  While it may be a non-exclusive contract, it may also be too popular.

It’s already available on 3 platforms, MBS probably won’t charge AS two golden nuts to be the 4th place to show it months after the others. AS definitely won’t get season 2 any faster though.

[Blatch]

13 hours ago, Top Gun said:

It's funny, I only got a handful of episodes into that Naruto run on Rewind before they stupidly cut out one of the best parts of the show. Am I dumb enough to try yet again with this?

I only got four episodes into Sailor Moon (before they even introduced other Senshi!) before crashing out stalling. At least I still have everything on the DVR, so unless someone else deleted it, I can still watch. So thanks for your advice, Poke, but I think I'll pass.

[brianycpht]

11 hours ago, Sketch said:

It’s already available on 3 platforms, MBS probably won’t charge AS two golden nuts to be the 4th place to show it months after the others. AS definitely won’t get season 2 any faster though.

They essentially are syndicating anime now- constantly being a “season” behind 

Thats a lot different than 4-5 years ago where we were still getting shows in season but slightly behind and even further than when most of the block was dub premieres

Companies increasingly see the value in Netflix/Hulu than TV for their “big” shows 

Toonami needs to start getting the things that aren’t on 3 other platforms a year after anyone cares