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Black Clover Page 86 Discussion

Last time on Black Clover, in a hot springs episode with surprisingly little fan service, Yami told the story of his first meeting with Captain William Vangeance, where One Man Seven Samurai Yami was assisted by Vangeance in getting rid of some bandits that were giving farmers a hard time.  The two hit it off and decided to both try to become captains.  Hopefully tonight, on Black Clover, on Toonami, we will learn why it was necessary to flash back to this and suddenly focus on Vangeance now.

 

 

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I went ahead and re-watched episode 53 and made some notes of things.  It's the episode where Yami confronts Vangeance about possibly being the leader of the Midnight Sun.  I sense it may be relevant soon.  Here's my post from the last thread -

Okay, I re-watched episode 53, which is the one where Yami has his meeting with William Vangeance in the tree.

Yami acknowledges their history, going back 10 years, and how they both became Magic Knight Captains, and fought together on the battlefield multiple times.  So Yami already knew about this guy's magic.  He asks if World Tree Magic is the only kind he has.  So I guess people can have more than one type? 

Vangeance's backstory is that he was the illegitimate son of a noble, and when the heir dies, he is brought to live with the noble family.  The noble's wife and everyone else hates him, and mocks him because on the birth mark, yada yada yada.  Wizard King invites him to join the Magic Knights, and makes that mask for him.  Even Vangeance thought it was tacky! :D

Yami internally monologues that the scars don't show any energy, so they really are birth marks and not wounds from a fight and/or magic (I think that's what that meant,) he doesn't sense any illusion, and his ki tells him that Vangeance isn't lying.

Yami decides that Vangeance having the same build and face (scars aside,) and similar voice, is a coincidence.  They also had similar ki!  Didn't some people theorize at the time that the "dead" heir could be Licht?  So they could be brothers? 

I thought that Licht was an elf, but he's briefly shown when referenced in this episode and has normal ears.  I could've sworn he was an elf.  Then what was the reason for that flashback with those elves getting wiped out at a wedding during that arc where they fight Licht in a cave?  Licht wasn't the groom there?  I guess there is some connection to elves because I think that third eye magic is elven or something, and Licht, Vetto, and I think Fana, when she was angry mode, talked about hating humans.  And didn't Fana have elf ears when she was with the Midnight Sun and under that spell, or am I remembering wrong?  Maybe I should re-watch some other eps if I get the chance.

I mean, it wouldn't make sense for elves to be among the nobles, right?

There was also some hilarious stuff in this episode with Bell being jealous of Charmy and Asta.  She calls Charmy a pint-sized fivehead!  Charmy talking about how she's nineteen and her sexiness lmao.  Charmy needs to stop being chibi all the time!  At least she stops it for a while when she tries to get Yuno's attention in this ep LOL.

This is also the ep where Langris tries to kill those villagers along with the enemy snot mage, but Asta, Charmy, and Finral take out the snot mage.  Asta launched like a missile and holding his sword in mouth because his arms were still broken LOL.

At the end of the ep they have that short scene with the Mage Knights in the Diamond Kingdom.  The mysterious one talking still hasn't been fully revealed, but the captions name him as Morris and the credits say he is played by Chuck Huber.  Though he sounds different to me, so maybe Chuck Huber has more range than I thought.

Mars and the crazy laser beam guy are clearly visible in the group. 

There's other ones we haven't seen in action yet.  One is a big tall fat guy that sort of resembles Gray's big dude form, for whatever that's worth.  One looks kind of like Mr. 1 from One Piece, so there's another non-white character.  There's another one who is completely in silhouette and impossible to make out anything.  Could be a woman, or a guy with shoulder length hair, or that's a helmet lmao.  Damn you sunset!  Oh, and they all wear fur capes lol.

So yeah, lots of relevant stuff in that ep!

Oh, and Marx, the Wizard King's assistant is played by Aaron Dismuke!  I had thought he was John Burgmeier (Tien, Fried)!

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Speaking of #53, I wonder if FUNimation tapped Jerry Jewell to sub in for Josh Grelle that week on purpose, considering "Vangeance and Licht sound alike" was one of the reasons for Yami's suspicion that they're connected.

Anyways, here's a meme I found.

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time for the actually good generic shonen series on the block

 

 

which if I know this show won't follow the lesbian sexual harrassment theme tonight because this series creator actually treats the female characters with respect

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11 hours ago, PokeNirvash said:

Speaking of #53, I wonder if FUNimation tapped Jerry Jewell to sub in for Josh Grelle that week on purpose, considering "Vangeance and Licht sound alike" was one of the reasons for Yami's suspicion that they're connected.

Anyways, here's a meme I found.

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I didn't get a chance to look into that.  I read a comment that said Josh Grelle was returning to the role.  Was that done in the Japanese version too?

Nice meme! :D

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1 minute ago, ben0119 said:

I didn't get a chance to look into that.  I read a comment that said Josh Grelle was returning to the role.  Was that done in Japanese?

Nice meme! :D

if it was also done in Japanese then that would imply stuff about the characters

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Hmmm, well that wasn't an ominous looking moment with Vangeance in the OP lol

Wonder what that means since it doesn't seem to be what was originally thought now that Yami knows him

 

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Magic communicators!

It seemed like this backstory was purposefully withheld before so we wouldn't know that Vangeance was a good person and just assume he was another noble asshole.  It would also make us more likely to think he's Licht.

Knowing his background and seeing these two eps, in retrospect him picking Yuno makes a lot of sense now.

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That other battle happened years ago?  I thought this was right after.

Oh I see.  So someone who is weak can boost themselves with powerful magic items.

But since Asta has NO magic I guess he couldn't use them?

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7 minutes ago, AnimationFan14 said:

It's traitors in our own organisations night on Toonami

to be fair it's a little more reasonable in every show other than Food wars....since apparently in food wars all chefs are evil masterminds bent on destroying the food industry

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13 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

I didn't get a chance to look into that.  I read a comment that said Josh Grelle was returning to the role.  Was that done in the Japanese version too?

Nice meme! :D

update: it was not also done in Japanese

 

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however Licht and Vengance DO have a connection to eachother which is revealed later, I'm not gonna spoil what it is

 

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2 minutes ago, mochi said:

to be fair it's a little more reasonable in every show other than Food wars....since apparently in food wars all chefs are evil masterminds bent on destroying the food industry

I mean the less chiefs that receive proper training and learning from their mistakes the better for the food industry? 

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They got to make their own squads.  I could have sworn all these squads were around forever and they just were appointed as captains of them.  Interesting.

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