ratings Toonami Unevenedge Ratings Discussion 3.0: Let The Good Times Roll!!!!!

[Sketch]

13 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Is it any wonder it's not even getting a Thursday airing this week?

Yikes really?

Edit:

I guess they felt a Rick thon was better to run on Thanksgiving but will it return the following Thursday or is it just done? I guess we’ll see

Edited November 26, 2024 by Sketch

[OwlChemist81]

Yes, it looks like it is airing December 5th.

[Sketch]

1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Yes, it looks like it is airing December 5th.

Sure gonna confuse the few people who were watching it but if you had to skip 1 ep it isn’t the worst one to miss.

[Jman]

Another week with no sign of the Flop Girl on Max’s Top 10.  Instead we have two baking shows, a holiday themed one at 10 and the Harry Potter one at 2, right behind Dune Prophecy.

[OwlChemist81]

Welp...

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-400-cable-shows-week-ending-26th_01602488462.html?m=1#google_vignette

We finally see how One Piece is doing as a follow-up to Blue Exorcist reruns, and it's not good, as it was hanging on for dear life at #393 on 11/23/24. All of Toonami under 100K 18-49 that night to boot.

[Jman]

The Flop Girl continues to fail to make the Max Top 10, but Creature Commandos has been there since its debut.  Point to Creature Commandos.

[Sketch]

Sigh… it’s dead

[brianycpht]

4 hours ago, Jman said:

The Flop Girl continues to fail to make the Max Top 10, but Creature Commandos has been there since its debut.  Point to Creature Commandos.

We should be airing Creatures Commandos. WBD treats Toonami like garbage 

This show is getting traction. Jake Tapper of CNN was even promoting it 

Edited December 8, 2024 by brianycpht

[Jman]

Just now, brianycpht said:

We should be airing Creatures Commandos. 

Unfortunately some of the content might make that difficult.

Spoiler

Namely plot relevant sex scenes.

I’d say just air Solo Leveling, which might be doable the same way Demon Slayer was.

[PokeNirvash]

Are the scenes in question absolutely relevant to the plot? Like, the show won't make sense without their being there?

If not, then they can air with a trim or two. Unless they take up a sizable section of the episode, otherwise it's time to bring the black boxes back out!

[Jman]

9 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

Are the scenes in question absolutely relevant to the plot? Like, the show won't make sense without their being there?

If not, then they can air with a trim or two. Unless they take up a sizable section of the episode, otherwise it's time to bring the black boxes back out!

Spoiler

It’s the Bride’s origin.  She has sex on screen, which is what drives Frankenstein’s monster to kill her creator and stalk her for the next century.

You should be able to black box it.

[Jman]

I checked to see if Flop Girl may have had a delay on the Max Top 10...

Still not there.  Yeah, it's cooked.  

[Jman]

Creature Commandos is holding strong at #3 on the Max Top 10 and Flop Girl is nowhere in sight.

[Jman]

One last week of no Flop Girl while Creature Commandos holds at #3 on the Max top 10.  Show is COOKED.

[Greener223224]

1 hour ago, Jman said:

One last week of no Flop Girl while Creature Commandos holds at #3 on the Max top 10.  Show is COOKED.

I don't think anyone cares, Jman.

[Jman]

3 minutes ago, Greener223224 said:

I don't think anyone cares, Jman.

There's been no real reporting on the ratings these past few weeks.  So I go to the Max ratings for something to report.

Honestly, in 2025, the linear ratings are probably going to be considered so secondary for the block given Warner going all in on Max (including migrating all their sports programming from TBS and TNT to Max simulcasts, even All Elite Wrestling) this ratings block is going to need some major consideration for how we address the ratings in the future.  The Nielsen number is becoming less and less important for cable, although networks still rely heavily on them.

[Greener223224]

38 minutes ago, Jman said:

There's been no real reporting on the ratings these past few weeks.  So I go to the Max ratings for something to report.

I'm referring to the "Show is COOKED" attitude you've expressed. These shows aren't made to generate popularity, they're here to fill up the HBO catalogue. And they're so cheap to make that nobody cares how successful or failed it is. Every show is a sunk cost, after all.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Greener223224

[OwlChemist81]

Over a month means this thread is dead, right?

As the great Lee Corso says, "Not So Fast!!"

https://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-ratings-for-january-18th-2025/

Mashle up 70K year-to-year over Demon Slayer in 2024, but guess that’s all we're gonna get!

[Toonamiguy321]

1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Over a month means this thread is dead, right?

As the great Lee Corso says, "Not So Fast!!"

https://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-ratings-for-january-18th-2025/

Mashle up 70K year-to-year over Demon Slayer in 2024, but guess that’s all we're gonna get!

We got numbers for the 11th too

https://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-rating-for-january-11th-2025/

A dismal 132k for Mashle, the new record low for a lead show. But it did turn right back around, so hopefully that was just a hiccup caused by the 3 weeks the block took off its normal schedule. 

One Piece is getting cooked by the rerun hour before it, don’t know why they put so much stock into schedule consistency. 

[PokeNirvash]

Really wish this thread would die...

[Toonamiguy321]

Suddenly I’m motivated to keep this thread alive. I don’t know why. 
 

Anyway, remember how I said two weeks ago was a record low? Lmao

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-abc-leads-the-night-with-nba-matchup-of-lakers-warriors/
 

113/0.05 for Mashle, and 83/0.04 for One Piece. This year is gonna be the year we see double digits at midnight. 

[Jman]

At this point it’s less a failing of the block and more the accelerating decline of cable. 

[Toonamiguy321]

5 minutes ago, Jman said:

At this point it’s less a failing of the block and more the accelerating decline of cable. 

I mean, Mashle did 227k last week. By modern standards that’s pretty solid. So there IS still an audience out there somewhere, they just aren’t tuning in to Toonami. 

It’s almost like the Toonami schedule is nearly all reruns and that doesn’t encourage people to tune in. 

[OwlChemist81]

Toonami should be on right after Family Guy like 5-10 years ago. The Rick & Morty hour is inconsistent.

[KageRageX]

Right, especially with the fact that people are dropping Rick and Morty like flies considering everything that we know about Justin.

[OwlChemist81]

People wonder why I haven't been posting much this year: it's because the ratings reports are broken as shit.

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-200-cable-reruns-week-ending-26th_01243089880.html?m=1#google_vignette

"Ummm, what?" Exactly.

But what you CAN glean is Saturday nights make it; despite being removed from them only by Mashle, IFG and BE don't.

[OwlChemist81]

Programming Insider to the rescue:

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-abc-wins-with-usa-canada-4-nations-face-off-hockey-outdraws-nba-all-star-saturday-night-from-tnt-and-trutv/

Mashle ends Season 1 with a whimper.

[Jman]

The bi-annual Netflix report came in as well.

https://about.netflix.com/en/news/what-we-watched-the-second-half-of-2024

Demon Slayer continues to be crazy popular, pulling down around 13 million households.  Jujutsu Kaisen did 8 million and was cited as an example of the strength of Japanese programming, and DanDaDan pulled down nearly 20 million households.

[Toonamiguy321]

5 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

People wonder why I haven't been posting much this year: it's because the ratings reports are broken as shit.

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/03/top-200-cable-reruns-week-ending-26th_01243089880.html?m=1#google_vignette

"Ummm, what?" Exactly.

But what you CAN glean is Saturday nights make it; despite being removed from them only by Mashle, IFG and BE don't.

I noticed this back in October or so, Spoiler TV only reports the 18-49 numbers. And even then, it’s like they only do 3-4 channels. Given how long it’s been going on I doubt it will be fixed, so they are probably burned as a resource for ratings now. 
 

Programming Insider gets them periodically but sometimes goes multiple weeks without reporting. And right now, the only show eligible for ratings is One Piece, which I can’t imagine is doing too hot with 90 mins of reruns in front of it. 
 

Can’t imagine ratings are all that important anymore seeing as they are willing to let FLCL slop reruns occupy midnight. They have given up. 

[Jman]

Just for fun I looked up the total households for Scavengers Reign on Netflix.

500,000.  No wonder it was cancelled.  Ippo, despite having been available elsewhere for a while and only in the US last June, did triple.

Edited February 28 by Jman

[Jman]

So as belts continue to be tightened it seems not even Zaslav is immune to some old fashioned vanity project promotion.

https://x.com/willsloanesq/status/1899091890009419789?s=46&t=qkEIjJHbOepJnnU58px_yQ
 

$50 million budget BTW.

[Greener223224]

1 hour ago, Jman said:

$50 million budget BTW.

Is that supposed to be expensive? I thought the minimum for big-budget was $200 mil.

[Jman]

8 minutes ago, Greener223224 said:

Is that supposed to be expensive? I thought the minimum for big-budget was $200 mil.

Most of it was DeNiro’s contract.  It’s not a huge budget, but it’s more a shock that Zaslav wanted to push ANYTHING over the finish line, when he’s known as the guy to cut stuff if it doesn’t make sense.

[Jman]

For anyone wondering, Lazarus failed to make the Max Top 10.

[Sketch]

That’s a bit surprising. At least it is doing well on AppleTV digital sales so far.

 

[PokeNirvash]

In hindsight, making Uzumaki a one-time special instead of a four-episode miniseries was probably the smarter move.

[Jman]

Lazarus hit #9 again on Max.  It seems to be a similar trajectory to MAWS.

[PokeNirvash]

It may be nowhere close to that mid-10s peak, but...

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-saturday-night-live-on-nbc-hits-4-month-high-in-total-viewers-with-50th-season-finale/

Over 200k for all premieres ain't too shabby, by 2025 standards.

[Toonamiguy321]

3 hours ago, PokeNirvash said:

It may be nowhere close to that mid-10s peak, but...

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-saturday-night-live-on-nbc-hits-4-month-high-in-total-viewers-with-50th-season-finale/

Over 200k for all premieres ain't too shabby, by 2025 standards.

Wow, I figured Bleach would be a shot in the arm, but not like this. That is a crazy boost in viewership across the board, and in just one week of Bleach airing. If you said 200k at 2am One Piece was possible earlier in the year, you would have been laughed out of the room. 
 

I hope the suits put the pieces together here. If you actually buy shows for the block, people will tune in. Yes, even for your mediocre originals, as long as it’s a BLOCK and not just one show and a bunch of reruns. 

[Sketch]

Wow, Bleach brought all the boys to the yard and most of them stayed at least through One Piece. Maybe they even stuck around for Naruto and Sailor Moon.

[OwlChemist81]

Oh, we are SOOOOO BACK!!!

Not too shabby indeed!!

TOONAMI 5/17/2025

Lazarus (Eng) (Adult Swim, 12:00 AM-12:31 AM, 31 min.)

• 0.254 million viewers

• 0.15 A18-49 rating (0.206 million adults 18-49)

• 0.13 A25-54 rating (0.157 million adults 25-54)

Bleach: 1000-Year Blood (P) (Adult Swim, 12:31 AM-1:03 AM, 32 min.)

• 0.245 million viewers

• 0.15 A18-49 rating (0.206 million adults 18-49)

• 0.13 A25-54 rating (0.157 million adults 25-54)

Blue Exorcist: Kyoto Saga (P) (Adult Swim, 1:03 AM-1:33 AM, 30 min.)

• 0.228 million viewers

• 0.14 A18-49 rating (0.188 million adults 18-49)

• 0.11 A25-54 rating (0.142 million adults 25-54)

One Piece (Adult Swim, 1:33 AM-2:02 AM, 29 min.)

• 0.220 million viewers

• 0.14 A18-49 rating (0.184 million adults 18-49)

• 0.11 A25-54 rating (0.136 million adults 25-54)

One Piece (Adult Swim, 2:02 AM-2:32 AM, 30 min.)

• 0.220 million viewers

• 0.14 A18-49 rating (0.182 million adults 18-49)

• 0.11 A25-54 rating (0.131 million adults 25-54)

Read more: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-saturday-night-live-on-nbc-hits-4-month-high-in-total-viewers-with-50th-season-finale/#cable-shows

Welcome back to ratings relevance, Toonami!!

[Mr. Idea Box]

Well, color me impressed. Not only was the return of Bleach a noteworthy event for 2025, but it actually does decent numbers on cable. I'm actually pretty darn happy about that.

[KageRageX]

Well I'll be damned. Hopefully they actually keep up with the momentum this time.

[OwlChemist81]

Sadly, here we go, back to relative irrelevance.

TOONAMI 5/24/2025

Lazarus (Eng) (Adult Swim, 12:00 AM-12:31 AM, 31 min.)

• 0.105 million viewers

• 0.05 A18-49 rating (0.063 million adults 18-49)

• 0.05 A25-54 rating (0.062 million adults 25-54)

Bleach: 1000-Year Blood (Adult Swim, 12:31 AM-1:03 AM, 32 min.)

• 0.086 million viewers

• 0.04 A18-49 rating (0.057 million adults 18-49)

• 0.05 A25-54 rating (0.059 million adults 25-54)

Blue Exorcist: Kyoto Saga (Adult Swim, 1:03 AM-1:34 AM, 31 min.)

• 0.062 million viewers

• 0.03 A18-49 rating (0.034 million adults 18-49)

• 0.03 A25-54 rating (0.037 million adults 25-54) 

One Piece (Adult Swim, 1:34 AM-2:03 AM, 29 min.)

• 0.066 million viewers

• 0.02 A18-49 rating (0.033 million adults 18-49)

• 0.03 A25-54 rating (0.035 million adults 25-54)

One Piece (Adult Swim, 2:03 AM-2:32 AM, 29 min.)

• 0.068 million viewers

• 0.02 A18-49 rating (0.029 million adults 18-49)

• 0.03 A25-54 rating (0.032 million adults 25-54)

Read more: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-abc-leads-primetime-with-game-three-of-the-nba-western-conference-final/#cable-shows

Wonder why Lazarus did so bad and dragged the block down with it? Maybe not as quality an episode?

Interestingly enough, drunken Rin was the nadir of the night in total viewers, but 18-49 and 25-54 demos both declined over time.

[Sketch]

Geez what happened?

[Mr. Idea Box]

2 hours ago, Sketch said:

Geez what happened?

I think it's Bleach's rating that week that made viewers unsure. Episode 1 was rated as TV-14, while Episode 2 was rated at TV-MA. If future episodes stick to the latter rating, I feel like relative irrelevance will unfortunately continue. Which, let me clarify, I do not want to see.

[PokeNirvash]

That makes no sense, you'd think TV-MA would be a bigger draw than that, especially with the V-chip having lost all relevance.

This coming Saturday's episode is TV-14V (a.k.a. BEST RATING), though, so we'll see then if WBD BS&P's decision-making has any real connection to this pattern in the making. And if it fails then? Well, we can blame that on the Lazarus beforehand getting its first MA.

Edited 3 hours ago by PokeNirvash

[Mr. Idea Box]

44 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

That makes no sense, you'd think TV-MA would be a bigger draw than that, especially with the V-chip having lost all relevance.

This coming Saturday's episode is TV-14V (a.k.a. BEST RATING), though, so we'll see then if WBD BS&P's decision-making has any real connection to this pattern in the making.

I mean, that's just the hunch I had. I could be proven wrong next week.

Speaking of next week, I think they kept the rights to Naruto and Sailor Moon running until their episode counts are up. So, Episode #39 for Naruto and #46 for Sailor Moon.

[Toonamiguy321]

Yeesh, maybe it was a bit presumptuous on our end to think a 200% increase in viewership was gonna hold, but to lose ALL of that boost + some of already tiny minimum in a single week hurts. I don’t know how much of the budget AS blew on Bleach, but for it to only chart 86k in its second week is terrible optics. Especially since the block will have to buy each cour separately. If this ends up being the average for Bleach, it would not surprise me if they just stop airing it because the cost will simply be too high for the return. 
 

1 hour ago, Mr. Idea Box said:

I mean, that's just the hunch I had. I could be proven wrong next week.

It just doesn’t make any sense at all. Are you insinuating that Toonami viewers look ahead, see a show rated MA, and turn their nose up at it? This is a midnight block. I can’t imagine there is anyone out there who makes viewing choices based on that. 
 

1 hour ago, Mr. Idea Box said:

Speaking of next week, I think they kept the rights to Naruto and Sailor Moon running until their episode counts are up. So, Episode #39 for Naruto and #46 for Sailor Moon.

Don’t be so sure. The schedule for 6/7 was left blank till Friday, and then was updated to show the normal block. 6/14 as of right now, is still coming up blank. The only potential reasons for that right now would either be OP trimming down to 1 episode, or Naruto and Sailor Moon leaving. What I assume is happening is they don’t know exactly which week the show is gonna run out so they are just playing the schedule a week at a time until they are certain they are over the expiration line. We will see tomorrow if anything changes.