Daos Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 PTE lost to the next 3 shows on the lineup. That's fairly unprecedented. FLCL ... under 500k viewers for a world premiere that they actually advertised outside CN..... seems pretty terrible. What did everyone think of FLCL... I'm only up to episode 3 so far and was wondering what the general consensus was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 I personally enjoyed Progressive, but even I think the ending kinda sucked. Dorei-ku of all things had a neater conclusion than Progressive did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Daos said: What did everyone think of FLCL... I'm only up to episode 3 so far and was wondering what the general consensus was. I'm not sure. At the very least, I think it's a good show, but probably not on par with the original. On the other hand, once I have some time to fully process its themes (which will definitely require a rewatch), I think I'll like it more and know how it stands up amongst the FLCL canon. Part of this is due to that the show ended up swerving in a different direction than I anticipated; I thought it was doing to be "progressive" in more ways than just the title, if you know what I mean, even though the original series arguably wasn't that political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Progressive DID have a better ending than Samurai Jack, IMHO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Daos said: PTE lost to the next 3 shows on the lineup. That's fairly unprecedented. FLCL ... under 500k viewers for a world premiere that they actually advertised outside CN..... seems pretty terrible. What did everyone think of FLCL... I'm only up to episode 3 so far and was wondering what the general consensus was. Honestly, after rewatching the original FLCL and thinking it wa pretty great, Progressive feels so wrong. I finished 2 episodes and am strongly considering dropping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korosu Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 9 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: Do y'all want me to start a separate Dragon Ball Super Weeknight Run ratings thread, or to just post the numbers in this thread? i think you should just post them in here (and thank you for doing so) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Blatch said: I'm not sure. At the very least, I think it's a good show, but probably not on par with the original. On the other hand, once I have some time to fully process its themes (which will definitely require a rewatch), I think I'll like it more and know how it stands up amongst the FLCL canon. Part of this is due to that the show ended up swerving in a different direction than I anticipated; I thought it was doing to be "progressive" in more ways than just the title, if you know what I mean, even though the original series arguably wasn't that political. Hmmm how so... were you thinking female love interest for the MC? I kind of had the same... "I don't know if I like this or not" reaction so far to the first few episodes. Edited July 11, 2018 by Daos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Daos said: Hmmm how so... were you thinking female love interest for the MC? It was more from a standpoint of Hidomi being the embodiment of teenage nihilism. I wondered if her parents and/or other adults in the FLCL world were going to be revealed as responsible for it, and the show would make the teenagers fight back to create a more just world. Basically, insert any anti-capitalism metaphor you want in there. I'm not as caring about same-sex relationships, but it seems like FLCL Alternative will at least offer a chance of that happening. There was a dude wearing a skirt, which seemed to indicate at least a more positive spin on subverting gender norms. But then the show revealed Mori to be a general dork and a loser who couldn't get a date, so he had to pay someone to act as his rental girlfriend. Also, Haruko announced she was leaving her job as a teacher (after becoming "pregnant") so she could become a housewife and settle for mediocrity, which is the wrong message to get out of that. Heh... this must be what we get for being one of the few developed countries in the whole world to not offer paid parental leave. But, then again, the original series had lots of sexual advances that would get #MeToo'd out of existence today, plus one character wearing a Nazi uniform. It's probably foolish to expect any thoughts more constructive than those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Full numbers, courtesy of... http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-justice-league-posts-most-watched-hbo-movie-premiere-in-five-months/ PROGRAM Viewers (000) A1849 rating A1849 (000) 10:30 Dragon Ball Super 754 0.35 453 11:00 My Hero Academia (r) 560 0.26 338 11:30 FLCL: Progressive 443 0.21 271 12:00a Pop Team Epic 374 0.17 218 12:30a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 382 0.16 212 1:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 435 0.18 234 1:30a Black Clover (r) 400 0.17 221 2:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 359 0.17 222 2:30a Space Dandy (r) 307 0.14 184 3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 304 0.15 191 3:30a Lupin the 3rd: Part 4 (r) 273 0.13 167 Hunter x Hunter was the #4 show on the lineup and #5 was Black Clover in total viewers, and Shippuden in 18-49. Pop Team Epic will probably get moved down soon if this continues. 7/7/18 - Adults 18-49 Show Total Viewers Adults 18-49 Family Guy 463,000 DBS 453,000 97.84% MHA 338,000 74.61% FLCL2 271,000 80.18% PTE 218,000 80.44% JoJo 212,000 97.25% HxH 234,000 110.38% B. Clover 221,000 94.44% Shippuden 222,000 100.45% Dandy 184,000 82.88% Bebop 191,000 103.80% Lupin 167,000 87.43% AVERAGE 246,455 25th of 27 And even in 18-49, for once Dragon Ball Super lost to Family Guy. Guess people just don't care for Yamcha playing Baseball? I don't know if the Episode 71 topical is out for DBS, but it better start getting serious soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korosu Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said: I don't know if the Episode 71 topical is out for DBS, but it better start getting serious soon! well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 OH MY GOD GOKU DIED? WHAT A HORRIBLE TURN FOR THIS FRANCHISE! I HOPE THEY INVENT SOME WAY TO BRING HIM BACK!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) Dragon Ball Super Weeknight Ratings Update: Ratings Wk Ep Viewers HH 18-49 18-34 25-54 7/2/2018 1 #1 455,000 0.28 0.16 0.18 0.15 7/3/2018 1 #2 461,000 0.29 0.14 0.14 0.12 7/4/2018 1 #3 378,000 0.25 0.12 0.13 0.11 7/5/2018 1 #4 399,000 0.12 7/6/2018 1 #5 576,000 0.31 0.21 0.24 0.19 7/9/2018 2 #6 449,000 0.28 0.15 0.19 0.13 7/10/18 2 #7 469,000 0.29 0.19 0.23 0.17 Rank (Across ALL Daily Cable Primetime) Ep P2+ HH 18-49 18-34 25-54 7/2/2018 1 #75 #77 #62 #39 #90 7/3/2018 2 #70 #69 #67 #37 #94 7/4/2018 3 #74 #63 #72 #37 #95 7/5/2018 4 >100 7/6/2018 5 #58 #69 #29 #7 #52 7/9/2018 6 #74 #76 #63 #35 #90 7/10/18 7 #76 #79 #50 #20 #70 Dragon Ball Super M-F Weekly Avgs Wk P2+ HH 18-49 18-34 25-54 #1 453,800 0.283 0.150 0.173 0.143 #2 459,000 0.285 0.170 0.210 0.150 If you haven't figured it out yet, Programming Insider and Son of the Bronx get limited data whenever a show doesn't make the Top 100 in Adults 18-49. That explains why 7/5/18 was late, and why we only know total viewers and adults 18-49. Week 2 is young, with only 2 days in the books, but it's already looking much better, especially in 18-49 and 18-34, and keep in mind that the latter might actually be better, since we're missing its number on 7/5. It seems that if your goal is showing growth over time, making a major programming change the week of the 4th of July such as bringing Dragon Ball Super to weeknights was a pretty smart idea indeed! But we'll see if that held up against the dubbed Attack on Titan movie last night, which probably grabbed a large chunk of its audience. Edit: "8" jumping to the next line on Mobile fixed. Edited July 14, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 DBS isn't doing too bad on weeknights. I think that is an outlier though, I doubt a second anime would do well on weeknights. DBS is kind of a unique property in terms of audience appeal. I think toonami is in a good place, though I think there is going to be a much sharper P2+ drop when FLCL Regressive goes into reruns. I think key demo might remain strong, but with Live PD coming back to new programs it is going to be much more difficult to retain what DBS brings in, and even DBS will likely see a drop in total audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) I'd say if FLCL Progressive doesn't tow the mark in reruns (whatever that is), it might get dropped back to 2:30 AM when Space Dandy ends in favor of something new (personally hoping for AOT S3), and then when it ends or it's time for Alternative to begin (I haven't got a clue what they're doing on August 25th though), Pop Team Epic can slide back there for its last few episodes! If that's how it goes, at least the 4 episodes which previously aired at Midnight will get their chance at 11:30 first, and PTE will have aired 9 episodes at Midnight. Also, DBS did fine on Wednesday despite being opposite the dubbed AOT movie in theaters: http://programminginsider.com/wednesday-final-ratings-modest-premiere-for-tko-total-knockout-on-cbs-but-24-hours-to-hell-back-on-fox-wins-the-hour-among-adults-18-49/ Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:00 PM, 30 min.)• 0.448 million viewers (#81)• 0.28 HH (#82)• 0.17 A18-49 (#61)• 0.22 A18-34 (#23)• 0.13 A25-54 (#90) Edited July 13, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) Dragon Ball Super did even better on Thursday, and broke its weeknight record in Adults 18-34 by a couple of hundredths! http://programminginsider.com/thursday-final-ratings-southern-charm-season-finale-on-bravo-leads-all-cable-telecasts-among-adults-18-49/ Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:00 PM, 30 min.)• 0.465 million viewers (#73)• 0.30 HH (#74)• 0.19 A18-49 (#54)• 0.26 A18-34 (#11)• 0.16 A25-54 (#74) Whoda thunk Super Saiyan Fetus = Ratings?? Edited July 14, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) On 7/12/2018 at 8:38 PM, Ginguy said: DBS isn't doing too bad on weeknights. I think that is an outlier though, I doubt a second anime would do well on weeknights. DBS is kind of a unique property in terms of audience appeal. I think toonami is in a good place, though I think there is going to be a much sharper P2+ drop when FLCL Regressive goes into reruns. I think key demo might remain strong, but with Live PD coming back to new programs it is going to be much more difficult to retain what DBS brings in, and even DBS will likely see a drop in total audience. I think they might consider airing premiere Naruto Shippuden at 8:30 on weeknights and let Boruto take over its slot (earlier, of course) on Toonami, if only because we're gonna be watching Naruto Shippuden on Saturday nights for like 6 more years otherwise! It's different and would theoretically be possible because the dub is FAR ahead of the Toonami run, unlike all the other shows. Ratings would probably be equivalent to what Disney X D got when it did this at like 10:30 or something like that. Of course, such a move would REALLY piss off One Piece fans! Edited July 14, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Since when do people care what One Piece fans think? Their last chance at being relevant in the US is if that live action show gets made, and it won’t succeed without radical alterations that, may I remind you, Oda has refusal rights on. So any attempt to HBO-ize the show will get shot down early. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSoul Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 On 7/14/2018 at 6:01 PM, OwlChemist81 said: Ratings would probably be equivalent to what Disney X D got when it did this at like 10:30 or something like that. Of course, such a move would REALLY piss off One Piece fans! 1 I think they should hope for better than that. The ratings hit a peak low of 159,000 before Disney X-D dropped it in favor of Phineas and Ferb repeats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 13 hours ago, CatSoul said: I think they should hope for better than that. The ratings hit a peak low of 159,000 before Disney X-D dropped it in favor of Phineas and Ferb repeats. Well those numbers put things in perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Sketch said: Well those numbers put things in perspective Oddly enough, I don't remember that. It must have been a really narrow band of time in which that happened, and I thought in general it was more like upper 300K total viewers. And yes, that was 11 PM on Saturday nights. Well, it just so happens that's what we're averaging in the Midnight hour these days: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-7-14-2018.html Ugh, Pop Team Epic appears to be bombing; 7th place in 18-34 and a modest 0.21 at midnight doesn't inspire confidence. Perhaps the plan IS to bury it soon, or at least move it down to 12:30 AM and JoJo Part 4 up to Midnight when it starts on 8/18/18. Speaking about that palindromic date, we've also got AOT S3 coming, and I've gotta say it looks good for 11 PM or at least 11:30 behind My Hero Academia. MHA is tamer, but it sure as hell is older. At least once we get through this next trio of episodes before Titans impact the block once again, MHA's animation will be from April 2017, and that's actually NEWER than Super, but of course the latter still holds the advantage because it's a dub premiere, and presumably once we get past Episode #38, which sneak-peeked in theaters last Wednesday, AOT will be too! But then again, does the mere fact that an anime is a dub premiere if it that much leverage on Toonami anymore? JoJo Part 3 and HxH are languishing at 12:30 and 1 respectively right now and are both dub premieres, though to be fair their animation is older. AOT's, on the other hand, will be brand-spankin'-new by comparison, not a world premiere but only slightly older than a month following its release in Japan or perhaps slightly newer in the case of Episode #39 (which will premiere on July 28th in Japan and August 25th on Toonami). So I'd say it COULD take 11 PM; after all, the Beast Titan episode (#26) has aired there before as part of the 4th of July Weekend marathon last year. In fact, 0.21 is the lowest I've seen for 18-34 thus far at Midnight. Even Mind Game managed a 0.22. This ties Stardust Crusaders from 6/9 and is probably rock bottom--probably. I'm gonna chalk this up to the Pacquiao-Matthysse fight, is what I WOULD say if it wasn't on ESPN+. It looks more like Live PD and NASCAR racing probably delievered the knockout blow. UFC Fight night on Fox Sports 1, which obviously beat the midnight hour in key demos and edged out Super in P2+ and ran for over 3 hours, against the first 6 shows on the Toonami lineup, including that midnight hour, was probably also a huge factor. I don't believe Alucard went up against anything like that when Hellsing Ultimate X then-bombed in the midnight hour back on 12/13/14. Geez, that feels like a mega-hit by today's standards. Edited July 17, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 I still blame cord-cutters and Super filler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Pop Team Epic, the anime equivalent of Tim and Eric, guys who work best in 30 second to 1 minute intervals, bombed in a 30 minute slot on an action block whose fans famous for its vehement hatred of Tim and Eric? I’m shocked. Shocked I say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 "Vehement hatred"? I thought that mentality only existed on the ASMB. Nowadays, if you visit Twitter, you're more likely to hear someone yelling about the new She-Ra cartoon. Really weird live-action shows are pretty far back on the list of priorities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, Blatch said: "Vehement hatred"? I thought that mentality only existed on the ASMB. Nowadays, if you visit Twitter, you're more likely to hear someone yelling about the new She-Ra cartoon. Really weird live-action shows are pretty far back on the list of priorities. Remember when Tom Goes to the Mayor debuted? It was all out war between the Rabid InuYasha fans and the Tommunists and everyone looked stupid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatSoul Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Well, at least the ratings didn't show people leaving for Pop Team Epic and coming back for JoJo this week. (I'm sure some still did, but the numbers didn't show it.) I think Pop Team Epic's sense of humor might be a little too much for some of Toonami's audience. Something like Hinamatsuri or The Devil is a Part-Timer! might've been a better experiment into non-action. Still, from the discussion I'm seeing, some people are discovering and enjoying it, which makes me happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) If you were wondering about the rest of the lineup, well, brace yourself: Adult Swim’s late-night line-up performed as follows: DRAGON BALL down a tick to 0.34, MY HERO ACADEMIA down 0.06 to 0.20/497K, FLCL down 0.03 to 0.18/419K, POP TEAM EPIC steady at 0.17, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE up a tick to 0.17, HUNTER X HUNTER down 0.02 to 0.16/349K, BLACK CLOVER steady at 0.17/343K, NARUTO up a tick to 0.18/368K, SPACE DANDY down a tick to 0.13/290K, COWBOY BEBOP down 0.03 to 0.12/281K, and LUPIN THE 3RD down a tick to 0.12/274K. Unlucky 7/14/18 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention DBS 750,000 #DIV/0! MHA 497,000 66.27% FLCL2 419,000 84.31% PTE 391,000 93.32% JoJo 380,000 97.19% HxH 349,000 91.84% B. Clover 343,000 98.28% Shippuden 368,000 107.29% Dandy 290,000 78.80% Bebop 281,000 96.90% Lupin 274,000 97.51% AVERAGE 394,727 28th of 28 Another scary new low. This is the first time in HISTORY that the block (on [as]) hasn't cracked 400K on average! And of course, seeing My Hero Academia not crack 500K for the first time at 11 PM, where Samurai Jack was doing million+ just over a year ago, damn near breaks my heart! Edited July 17, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 With ratings this bad, why even bother discussing them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Blatch said: With ratings this bad, why even bother discussing them? You don’t ignore bad news because it doesn’t fit the narrative. Hell, maybe the narrative is different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Turner has outright said they don't trust the Nielsen ratings anymore. It took me a while, but after seeing Toonami get lower and lower and yet the block was apparently still doing well enough to expand, with comments from DeMarco to compliment that, I've all but stopped trying to look for anything meaningful in the raw numbers. Looking at it from another angle, this idea seeks to spread division within the Toonami fandom, and it overrides a lot of meaningful discussion about the shows themselves. To hell with all that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) On 7/12/2018 at 9:38 PM, Ginguy said: I think toonami is in a good place, though I think there is going to be a much sharper P2+ drop when FLCL Regressive goes into reruns. I think key demo might remain strong, but with Live PD coming back to new programs it is going to be much more difficult to retain what DBS brings in, and even DBS will likely see a drop in total audience. 3 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: If you were wondering about the rest of the lineup, well, brace yourself: Adult Swim’s late-night line-up performed as follows: DRAGON BALL down a tick to 0.34, MY HERO ACADEMIA down 0.06 to 0.20/497K, FLCL down 0.03 to 0.18/419K, POP TEAM EPIC steady at 0.17, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE up a tick to 0.17, HUNTER X HUNTER down 0.02 to 0.16/349K, BLACK CLOVER steady at 0.17/343K, NARUTO up a tick to 0.18/368K, SPACE DANDY down a tick to 0.13/290K, COWBOY BEBOP down 0.03 to 0.12/281K, and LUPIN THE 3RD down a tick to 0.12/274K. Unlucky 7/14/18 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention DBS 750,000 #DIV/0! MHA 497,000 66.27% FLCL2 419,000 84.31% PTE 391,000 93.32% JoJo 380,000 97.19% HxH 349,000 91.84% B. Clover 343,000 98.28% Shippuden 368,000 107.29% Dandy 290,000 78.80% Bebop 281,000 96.90% Lupin 274,000 97.51% AVERAGE 394,727 28th of 28 Another scary new low. This is the first time in HISTORY that the block (on [as]) hasn't cracked 400K on average! And of course, seeing My Hero Academia not crack 500K for the first time at 11 PM, where Samurai Jack was doing million+ just over a year ago, damn near breaks my heart! We'll just file this under "Do Not Doubt The El Ginguy".... The key demo remained strong however, even though the total audience was something of a disaster. The takeaway here is; all is not lost. There were two big draws, Live PD and NASCAR. NASCAR isn't always on Saturday nights, most of the races are on Sundays, so this might be more of a fluke. Edited July 18, 2018 by Ginguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 You've gotta remember..... it's not the block that's doing well enough to expand, it's that CN has historically bad ratings that are making the block look good by comparison. The issue with PTE isn't that it's "too much" for viewers, it's just that it isn't funny most of the time and no one really wants to watch the same episode twice with different voices. Just being random isn't funny, nor is a barrage of jokes without punchlines. Naruto still finds a way to beat the two shows before it. Well guys we did it. The worst ratings ever! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Well, would you look at what Jason just posted... there's even an interesting bit about One Piece. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Sheesh One Piece fans will not let that go. Do you really want to force Toonami viewers to watch 800 episodes of poorly animated TOEI filler crap? Can't you just watch it on your own and be happy that a show you like has nearly infinite episodes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) One Piece has one chance to be relevant in the US, and that depends whether or not Oda lets HBO go Full HBO on the live action series. Pop Team Epic is definitely cheaper. Edited July 18, 2018 by Jman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Weird--we ALREADY know Monday 7/16, the 11th episode of Dragon Ball Super, and here's how it did... http://programminginsider.com/monday-final-ratings-espn-tops-all-key-adult-and-male-demos-with-mlb-home-run-derby-and-celebrity-softball/ Just missed 400K! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Okay, why in the fuck is Alchemist amused at every other reply on this page? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Blatch said: Okay, why in the fuck is Alchemist amused at every other reply on this page? He likes everything, even replies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Blatch said: Okay, why in the fuck is Alchemist amused at every other reply on this page? Clearly our squabbling is funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just amused, because this is hilarious and wouldn't have made any damn sense 3-4 years ago! PROGRAM Viewers (000) A1849 rating A1849 (000) 10:30 PM Dragon Ball Super () 750 0.34 439 11:00 PM My Hero Academia (r) 497 0.20 261 11:30 FLCL: Progressive (r) 419 0.18 237 12:00a Pop Team Epic 391 0.17 219 12:30a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 380 0.17 219 1:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 349 0.16 208 1:30a Black Clover (r) 343 0.17 215 2:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 368 0.18 230 2:30a Space Dandy (r) 290 0.13 169 3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 281 0.12 152 3:30a Lupin e 3rd: Part 4 (r) 274 0.12 153 Paging Dr. Hange... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just because you said that, I bet the ratings are gonna go even lower when AoT S3 premieres. As in, Dragon Ball Super fails to get 700K on a weekly basis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) This is interesting: http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-live-pd-gives-ae-prime-time-leadership-among-adults-18-49-and-adults-25-54/ Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.)• 0.779 million viewers (#32)• 0.49 HH (#31)• 0.35 A18-49 (#9)• 0.43 A18-34 (#1)• 0.29 A25-54 (#24) Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.)• 0.750 million viewers (#38)• 0.48 HH (#33)• 0.34 A18-49 (#10)• 0.39 A18-34 (#5)• 0.32 A25-54 (#17) Must say I didn't expect that. DBS grew quite markedly (+0.03) in adults 25-54, but declined slightly in everything else, and quite significantly (-0.04) in adults 18-34! Also... 7/14/18 - Adults 18-49 Show Total Viewers Adults 18-49 Family Guy 449,000 DBS 439,000 97.77% MHA 261,000 59.45% FLCL2 237,000 90.80% PTE 219,000 92.41% JoJo 219,000 100.00% HxH 208,000 94.98% B. Clover 215,000 103.37% Shippuden 230,000 106.98% Dandy 169,000 73.48% Bebop 152,000 89.94% Lupin 153,000 100.66% AVERAGE 227,455 28th of 28 MHA has PROBLEMS at 11 PM! I'd expect AOT S3 to take that slot and send it back to 11:30--or even later. Playing it in front of a dub premiere from 2018 is absurd unless there are content restrictions (as may have been the case with FLCL2), and we've gotten by with AOT at 11 PM before (first episode of the marathon last year). Pretty good job JoJo, Black Clover, Shippuden, and Lupin. Doubt you'll be rewarded for it though... Edited July 19, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korosu Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 32 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said: Playing it in front of a dub premiere from 2018 is absurd unless there are content restrictions (as may have been the case with FLCL2), and we've gotten by with AOT at 11 PM before (first episode of the marathon last year). no content restrictions once it's 9 pm. the only one being nothing between 8 and 9 can be TV-MA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 AOT S3 will play before MHA I'm sure, but don't expect the ratings to be one bit better. Toonami just spent 2 years cultivating a Dragonball fanbase. That has its pros and cons... the pros being that while you had 2 dragonball shows you were getting decent ratings. The cons.... a lot of those DB viewers only care about DB. And now you only have one DB show, and only for another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) I believe they will be better. Nowhere near the first season, but perhaps most of the 2nd? MHA has pretty much failed at replacing DBZ Kai at this point--or has it? Is 400,000 the new million? Adult Swim's Fox comedies are STILL getting over a million at 10 PM on weeknights, as this proves: http://programminginsider.com/tuesday-final-ratings-mlb-all-star-game-on-fox-falls-to-record-lows/. So we really might be just in a down cycle. If ONLY Toonami could get those numbers at 10 (assuming expansion for FLCL3) and 10:30. It might take Family Guy x2 before it in the 9 PM hour, but that might not even do the trick. We've seen that Rick & Morty x2 on Saturday nights at 9 grows the audience from Family Guy at 8:30, but it grows it much too slowly. Hopefully if Toonami claimed its ultimate prize of 10 PM, that's what would precede it. The question would remain as to whether FG x2 at 9 PM is as effective as FG x2 at 11 PM was in 2015, but I believe it couldn't hurt. Rick & Morty doesn't need to be on Saturday evenings; it's at Midnight on weeknights and 11 on Sundays, after all. Plus it would probably still air after Toonami at 4 AM unless Toonami took over those slots too. Also, Dragon Ball Super's Friday the 13th performance has FINALLY been revealed, as well as Monday and Tuesday of this week. Oddly enough, thus far NOTHING on weeknights beats Episode 5! The better part of the Beerus battle is doing almost as badly as the beginning which happened over 4th of July weekend: Dragon Ball Super Weeknight Ratings Wk Ep Viewers HH 18-49 18-34 25-54 7/2/2018 1 #1 455,000 0.28 0.16 0.18 0.15 7/3/2018 1 #2 461,000 0.29 0.14 0.14 0.12 7/4/2018 1 #3 378,000 0.25 0.12 0.13 0.11 7/5/2018 1 #4 399,000 0.12 7/6/2018 1 #5 576,000 0.31 0.21 0.24 0.19 7/9/2018 2 #6 449,000 0.28 0.15 0.19 0.13 7/10/2018 2 #7 469,000 0.29 0.19 0.23 0.17 7/11/2018 2 #8 448,000 0.28 0.17 0.22 0.13 7/12/2018 2 #9 465,000 0.30 0.19 0.26 0.16 7/13/2018 2 #10 449,000 0.29 0.17 0.18 0.15 7/16/2018 3 #11 396,000 0.23 0.14 0.17 0.11 7/17/2018 3 #12 384,000 0.24 0.15 0.20 0.11 Rank (Across ALL Daily Cable Prime-Time) Ep P2+ HH 18-49 18-34 25-54 7/2/2018 1 #75 #77 #62 #39 #90 7/3/2018 2 #70 #69 #67 #37 #94 7/4/2018 3 #74 #63 #72 #37 #95 7/5/2018 4 >100 7/6/2018 5 #58 #69 #29 #7 #52 7/9/2018 6 #74 #76 #63 #35 #90 7/10/2018 7 #76 #79 #50 #20 #70 7/11/2018 8 #81 #82 #61 #23 #90 7/12/2018 9 #73 #74 #54 #11 #74 7/13/2018 10 #67 #68 #46 #20 #68 7/16/2018 11 #87 #89 #86 #40 #100 7/17/2018 12 #83 #85 #74 #35 #99 Dragon Ball Super M-F Weekly Avgs Wk P2+ HH 18-49 18-34 25-54 #1 453,800 0.283 0.150 0.173 0.143 #2 456,000 0.288 0.174 0.216 0.148 #3* 390,000 0.235 0.145 0.185 0.110 *Monday and Tuesday only So, as you can see, it might be a bit premature to say that DBS is effectively growing its audience at 8 PM, though there have been some impressive bright spots, such as that #7 and #11 in 18-34 on 7/6 and 7/12, respectively. Also, Monday and Tuesday probably fell victim to the Home Run Derby and All-Star Game, and not even Beerus can beat that! Edited July 19, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 4:35 PM, OwlChemist81 said: If you were wondering about the rest of the lineup, well, brace yourself: Adult Swim’s late-night line-up performed as follows: DRAGON BALL down a tick to 0.34, MY HERO ACADEMIA down 0.06 to 0.20/497K, FLCL down 0.03 to 0.18/419K, POP TEAM EPIC steady at 0.17, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE up a tick to 0.17, HUNTER X HUNTER down 0.02 to 0.16/349K, BLACK CLOVER steady at 0.17/343K, NARUTO up a tick to 0.18/368K, SPACE DANDY down a tick to 0.13/290K, COWBOY BEBOP down 0.03 to 0.12/281K, and LUPIN THE 3RD down a tick to 0.12/274K. Unlucky 7/14/18 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention DBS 750,000 #DIV/0! MHA 497,000 66.27% FLCL2 419,000 84.31% PTE 391,000 93.32% JoJo 380,000 97.19% HxH 349,000 91.84% B. Clover 343,000 98.28% Shippuden 368,000 107.29% Dandy 290,000 78.80% Bebop 281,000 96.90% Lupin 274,000 97.51% AVERAGE 394,727 28th of 28 Another scary new low. This is the first time in HISTORY that the block (on [as]) hasn't cracked 400K on average! And of course, seeing My Hero Academia not crack 500K for the first time at 11 PM, where Samurai Jack was doing million+ just over a year ago, damn near breaks my heart! Might as well move Shippuden to 11 and team losing to Shippuden slot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) http://programminginsider.com/wednesday-final-ratings-code-black-finale-on-cbs-leads-prime-time-in-total-viewers-wins-hour-in-adults-25-54/ I can't believe Bob's Burgers gets 1.3 million viewers at 10:30 PM. That's what we need leading-in to Toonami. But Adult Swim is about to lose the Cleveland Show (to Comedy Central) next, so it will be interesting to see how they deal with this upcoming change. A 2nd Toonami show at 8:30 and an hour of American Dad at 9 just MIGHT be in the cards after all! And of course, since Cleveland leads-in to Family Guy on Saturday nights, what about that? Edited July 20, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 If Bob's does that well at 10:30, it's presumably leading into an hour of Family Guy that still gets 1.5M+ viewers. [as] is going to hold on to these show harder than ever now that they've actually lost two of them. I think the most likely candidates for an 8:30 anime rerun are Naruto: Shippuden (because obviously) and... uh, Black Clover. You might laugh and/or cringe in horror, but I still think the production companies want that show to be a hit, or at least a bigger hit than it currently is, so they'd let it play in primetime without anyone having to ask. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korosu Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Blatch said: they'd let it play in primetime without anyone having to ask. adult swim aired boss luffy in prime time. they dgaf. Edited July 20, 2018 by korosu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Blatch said: If Bob's does that well at 10:30, it's presumably leading into an hour of Family Guy that still gets 1.5M+ viewers. [as] is going to hold on to these show harder than ever now that they've actually lost two of them. I think the most likely candidates for an 8:30 anime rerun are Naruto: Shippuden (because obviously) and... uh, Black Clover. You might laugh and/or cringe in horror, but I still think the production companies want that show to be a hit, or at least a bigger hit than it currently is, so they'd let it play in primetime without anyone having to ask. I think it's actually likely that they would air PREMIERE Naruto Shippuden at 8:30 and play something like Boruto instead on Toonami when Viz has the dub ready. Shippuden is an older show but it's doing relatively well, and it's SOOO LONG that if it got a weeknight run it would STILL be like a year and a half until we got to the end. Yes, episodes are still being dubbed, but they're REALLY close to the end, and it's quite frankly gotta be a thorn in Viz's side that they won't see the light of day until 2023 under the current status quo. These "5 Kage" episodes that are on Toonami right now DID play on Neon Alley when it was close to its absorption into Hulu. But I'd still say it's more likely that it starts with encores on weeknights and premieres on Toonami simultaneously. The question is, how far back can they go? They obviously still have the rights to the Pain arc, but I doubt they can go all the way back to the beginning. And whenever they hit that point, that would be the time to make the switcheroo and premiere Boruto on Toonami while premieres of Naruto Shippuden continue the continuity on weeknights. It's a delicate balancing act, which is why we'd probably be likely to see Black Clover on weeknights at 8:30 first instead. But I suppose Bo and Shippuden could just both air premieres simultaneously during Toonami if weeknights were given to reruns. http://programminginsider.com/thursday-final-ratings-snowfall-season-premiere-on-fx-scores-best-viewership-since-series-debut-telecast/ Sadly, unless there's a big showing tonight, it looks like Week 3 will end up falling short of Week 2. But at this point it would have to eclipse even Episode 5. Edited July 20, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 The backdoor schedule is out for August 11, and it has some interesting changes: One episode of Rick and Morty replaced with an encore of the previous week's new Venture Bros., and Ballmastrz returns to airing right after Toonami with two episodes. No anime is showing yet, but that's to be expected. If they are doing expansion, they should be able to move everything up and tank Cleveland, but that would also be a strange pre-Toonami schedule. And once Cleveland leaves, they can just add another R&M and repeat the VB encore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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