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Either my guide is screwed up or Demarco is ending Shippuden early

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I looked ahead on the backdoor schedule, and compared my findings to Anime News Network, and I discovered the episode titles displayed in the schedule for 4/14, 4/21, and 4/28 are indeed the titles which correspond to episodes 198, 199, and 200. So, more likely than not, it IS a glitch!

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6 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Wow, I have the same thing! There might actually be something to this, but why?

Did they ACTUALLY acquire Boruto? And if so, why end Shippuden early!?

If they can air DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters and DB Super at the same time... and hell, they even played the original Naruto alongside Shippuden for a while, why not keep both of them on at the same time? B|

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More than likely this is just a bit of a scheduling glitch, though I'm sure someone will ask DeMarco about it on Twitter eventually.

I don't think I could stomach Boruto on Toonami.  Say what you will about the quality of Shippuden, but there's a bit of a nostalgia factor with Naruto and Shippuden for me.  Combining that with the fact that I really don't hate much in terms of anime, and I genuinely enjoy Shippuden.  I don't feel the same way about Boruto. 

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14 minutes ago, SorceressPol said:

Pretty much this. After Black Clover, their judgment can't be trusted.

FOOL! Black Clover is legendary. Its Legend begins in the 12th century. Everyone will be talking about how amazing it was.

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15 hours ago, Winter_Rain said:

They skipped from partway through OG Naruto directly to Shippuden, if I recall.  

They also started One Piece from the Foxt arc instead of the beginning.  

So large jumps ahead for long-runners is not unprecedented.  

The cases for the original Naruto and One Piece were different.  In the case of Naruto, Toonami had gotten that at the end of 2012 and aired the first 52 episodes of it, then restarted it when Shippuden came on the block in 2014.  It was somewhere in the mid to late 30s when Toonami took it off for good.  Given that they only ran up to episode 52, my guess would be that they got the rights for the first 52 episodes as a stopgap, expecting to have enough to afford Shippuden by the end of 2013.  They probably got a 2 year contract for it, so they just aired it from 1 again in 2014.

While One Piece started in the middle of the show (at Long Ring Long), it aired the episodes in order from that point until it was removed from the block.  That's a lot different than starting from episode 1, airing in order until episode 35, then jumping to episode 89.  You can also make the case that One Piece aired on the original Toonami up through the middle of Skypiea, so they really one started on Adult Swim from the arc right after that. 

With Shippuden, it would be substantially different.  Shippuden has aired starting from episode 1, and has aired to this point consistently.  Toonami randomly jumping ahead 30+ episodes in the middle of an arc is unprecedented, which makes me think this is just a scheduling glitch.

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On 4/9/2018 at 8:35 AM, CaptainStarwind said:

More than likely this is just a bit of a scheduling glitch, though I'm sure someone will ask DeMarco about it on Twitter eventually.

I don't think I could stomach Boruto on Toonami.  Say what you will about the quality of Shippuden, but there's a bit of a nostalgia factor with Naruto and Shippuden for me.  Combining that with the fact that I really don't hate much in terms of anime, and I genuinely enjoy Shippuden.  I don't feel the same way about Boruto. 

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14 hours ago, CaptainStarwind said:

The cases for the original Naruto and One Piece were different.  In the case of Naruto, Toonami had gotten that at the end of 2012 and aired the first 52 episodes of it, then restarted it when Shippuden came on the block in 2014.  It was somewhere in the mid to late 30s when Toonami took it off for good.  Given that they only ran up to episode 52, my guess would be that they got the rights for the first 52 episodes as a stopgap, expecting to have enough to afford Shippuden by the end of 2013.  They probably got a 2 year contract for it, so they just aired it from 1 again in 2014.

While One Piece started in the middle of the show (at Long Ring Long), it aired the episodes in order from that point until it was removed from the block.  That's a lot different than starting from episode 1, airing in order until episode 35, then jumping to episode 89.  You can also make the case that One Piece aired on the original Toonami up through the middle of Skypiea, so they really one started on Adult Swim from the arc right after that. 

With Shippuden, it would be substantially different.  Shippuden has aired starting from episode 1, and has aired to this point consistently.  Toonami randomly jumping ahead 30+ episodes in the middle of an arc is unprecedented, which makes me think this is just a scheduling glitch.

Also that first One Piece episode was when the show went HD.  So I think it was a combo of that and wanting to show new to TV content, but not jumping so far ahead people don't know what's going on.  Long Ring Long is also a good low stakes arc where you can see how the crew is normally, get to know them a bit, before the shit hits the fan in Water 7/Enies Lobby.  It's too bad they didn't get to show Marineford, though.

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On 4/9/2018 at 8:58 AM, PokeNirvash said:

Those of us from ye olde ASMB days know full well that the programming department is handled by monkeys.

We called them the scheduling monkeys. :D And while Toonami doesn't have complete control over programming, per se, you can see their influence compared to the nonsensical things ASA used to do.

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11 hours ago, Winter_Rain said:

@CaptainStarwind

I never said that it was likely to be true, just that there is precedence.  

I agree It's most likely a glitch.

Ah, okay then.  The way you wrote your post made me think otherwise.  I'll blame my sleep deprivation.

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What's so hard to fathom about it?  There are very, VERY few anime that I truly hate.  Shippuden most definitely has it's flaws, but overall it's still an enjoyable show. 

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10 minutes ago, CaptainStarwind said:

Ah, okay then.  The way you wrote your post made me think otherwise.  I'll blame my sleep deprivation.

What's so hard to fathom about it?  There are very, VERY few anime that I truly hate.  Shippuden most definitely has it's flaws, but overall it's still an enjoyable show. 

It's full of filler and padding, and the canon story did not take the best direction it could have.  Kishimoto still thinks we believe in the Naruto and Sasuke "friendship" and that Sasuke is sympathetic.  When that plot development first happened I thought it might take an arc or two to bring Sasuke back, at most, certainly not that it would become a pivotal end goal thing of the series.  Just, bleh.  Even now I only watch it out of nostalgia and dedication for the original and because Toonami shows it, plus the morbid curiosity to see if it gets as bad as people have said.  To make fun of it, see the train wreck, etc.  But, I see... you're another @OwlChemist81.  Go figure, he liked your post. :|

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4 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

 But, I see... you're another @OwlChemist81.  Go figure, he liked your post. :|

And what is that supposed to mean?

I didn't say there weren't things I disagreed with in Shippuden.  I don't like certain aspects of the ending, especially what becomes of Sasuke.  I believe Kishimoto copped out with that.  I'm never going to see Naruto as the greatest story ever told, and there are definitely anime and manga that I like over it.  It has flaws, yes, but why do they matter?  I enjoy Shippuden for what it is.  And if your only response to my saying that is to try and backhandedly insult me for it, then I have nothing more to say to you about it.

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15 minutes ago, CaptainStarwind said:

And what is that supposed to mean?

I didn't say there weren't things I disagreed with in Shippuden.  I don't like certain aspects of the ending, especially what becomes of Sasuke.  I believe Kishimoto copped out with that.  I'm never going to see Naruto as the greatest story ever told, and there are definitely anime and manga that I like over it.  It has flaws, yes, but why do they matter?  I enjoy Shippuden for what it is.  And if your only response to my saying that is to try and backhandedly insult me for it, then I have nothing more to say to you about it.

He likes everything.  Way too forgiving to shows.  There's just something unnatural about that.  Like a bizarro version of those old Muppets.  I expect people to have different tastes, to like shows I dislike, and dislike shows I like, but when someone hates everything or likes everything, there's just something wrong there.  It makes you wonder if they have some sort of entertainment version of colorblindness or not being able to taste food.  Everything can't be good, because that means nothing is good.  It's meaningless.

Yeah it still has some good points and characters I still want to watch, etc. but it's definitely fallen far from what it was, not that it was ever the greatest thing ever to begin with, mind you, but still.  I can't see myself going out of my way to watch it if Toonami didn't show it, that is for sure.  Well, maybe since they did air it, and I saw more, and to get to the ending, but, I probably would never find time for it when there's other stuff I'd rather watch way above that.  But yeah I suppose I could see someone gaining some enjoyment from Shippuden, but to not dislike any show? I don't know about that.

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1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said:

There's a difference between really liking something and admitting that it has redeeming qualities.

Shippuden falls mainly into the latter category, and I think Starwind would agree with me.

You'd be right.  Like I said, Shippuden is by no means a masterpiece, but to say the show is only good for "So Bad It's Good" value is going too far.  I tend to try and see the good in shows that I watch, so redeeming values stand out more to me than flaws in a show.  There's only a few things, anime or otherwise, that I genuinely despise enough to not care about redeeming qualities (Eureka Seven: Astral Ocean and the film The Master are two big ones).

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I didn't like Black Clover much at the beginning, but I'm warming up to it.

The only anime I actively despise are Nyarko: Crawling with Love! and the Eureka seveN AO OVA. Not the series proper, just the OVA specifically.

 

Renton and Eureka's bad end had my sympathy. DEWEY WAS RIGHT, I didn't learn about until reading the 4chan talkback, and even then, I thought nothing of it. But Ao being forced to crossdress for a news piece that he and the Pied Piper girls were running away from for some reason, only for an undoctored stock image of the male IFO pilot for Team Harlequin during the actual news report to render the whole "Ao must crossdress" thing COMPLETELY POINTLESS is simply unforgivable.

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1 hour ago, CaptainStarwind said:

There's only a few things, anime or otherwise, that I genuinely despise enough to not care about redeeming qualities (Eureka Seven: Astral Ocean and the film The Master are two big ones).

Okay, Eureka AO, I can understand, but what's so bad about The Master? I'd never heard of it before now, and from what I've read so far since, it apparently got mostly positive reviews. I'd imagine it's some sort of subject matter deal that doesn't sit too well with you.

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6 hours ago, PokeNirvash said:

Okay, Eureka AO, I can understand, but what's so bad about The Master? I'd never heard of it before now, and from what I've read so far since, it apparently got mostly positive reviews. I'd imagine it's some sort of subject matter deal that doesn't sit too well with you.

My feelings towards The Master are... complicated, to say the least.  Joaquin Phoenix's character was really uncomfortable for me to watch back when I saw the movie.  Perhaps that was the intent of the character, but he just never sat well with me.  The movie also seems to have a cavalier attitude towards sex and nudity that I really don't appreciate. It's hard to explain, especially since I don't mind it so much in other things, but maybe it's just the fact that it doesn't mesh well with the movie.  It seems out of place.  To top it off, though, the movie is just plain boring.  When I decided to see the movie, it was advertised to me as sort of an expose of the early days of Scientology, which sounded like it would be at least entertaining.  The Master was anything but.  I'll admit that the acting was very good, but it was far from saving the movie.

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ah, so there's a thread talking about this. i just noticed that.

there's almost no way the episode listing is right. ordinarily, i'd welcome the early ending of Naruto Shippuden and say for the hundredth time that toonami should air One Piece in its place, but honestly, we've sat through weeks and weeks of awful filler and finally gotten to what is probably the last decent arc in the series with the Kage summit and I'd be pretty miffed if we skipped it now.

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So just to put this in perspective (if it is true), as someone who watched all of Shippuden in subbed format, which ended almost 2 years ago at this point. You could easily cut off somewhere between 30 to 50 episodes at the end of the series and literally, lose no plot because it's a giant pointless filler that adds nothing. I hope people realize that Shippuden continued episodes well past where the manga actually ended the series.

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As far as Boruto goes, if they do acquire it, you can easily skip about 80% of the first 50 episodes and be good on the plot. The Subbed version is just now reaching the place where the movie picks up (after 50 episodes). A large portion of the content up to this point has either been fluff or pointless shit. There have been several good or decent stories though. I to die-hard Naruto fans will probably be disappointed in Boruto as a whole, as it has a much different feel in many respects to Shippuden. I never thought it'd be possible to have characters in the series which were more annoying and unlikeable than those in the original, but the authors have repeatedly shown up those expectations.

That said, there have been some surprisingly good characters... in particular, I like

Mitsuki, Sarada, and Shikadai

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