FLCL S01 April 14th at 11:30 pm

[PokeNirvash]

Black Clover was last year. Unless Demarco is stupider than usual, we should be getting something new by May.

[Daos]

Well.. no more Gundam and Kai soon and Outlaw Star is over...... so we should have ... something? Aside from FLCL.

So our last new anime before BC was what.. Lupin? That's not a lot of new content.

 

 

 

[Jman]

1 hour ago, Daos said:

Well.. no more Gundam and Kai soon and Outlaw Star is over...... so we should have ... something? Aside from FLCL.

So our last new anime before BC was what.. Lupin? That's not a lot of new content.

 

 

 

The cost of making a show from the ground up...on Toonami’s budget, is probably a much greater percentage than Netflix and Hulu’s respective budgets.

[The1gairon]

10 hours ago, ben0119 said:

No one asked for this.  I'd rather they just license dubs of already made shows like they usually do, especially if it's going to tax Toonami to this degree that there will be barely anything else new.

The huuuuuge crowd turning out to the FLCL Panel at C2CE yesterday would like a word with you.

[ameakooo]

2 hours ago, Jman said:

The cost of making a show from the ground up...on Toonami’s budget, is probably a much greater percentage than Netflix and Hulu’s respective budgets.

you'd have to be silly to think toonami assisting in the production of original anime content only comes out of the toonami budget. 

[Jman]

2 minutes ago, ameakooo said:

you'd have to be silly to think toonami assisting in the production of original anime content only comes out of the toonami budget. 

Even so, it probably had a substantial impact on their coffers, making acquisitions harder.

[Ginguy]

1 hour ago, Jman said:

Even so, it probably had a substantial impact on their coffers, making acquisitions harder.

DeMarco has already said that acquisitions is largely a function of Netflix grabbing up shows with draconian broadcast restrictions.

It doesn't help that Japan has been largely making weeb-trash of late....

 

[Jman]

You would think he’d be all over the Legend of the Galactic Heroes remake.

[Daos]

I'm not sure how much I buy Demarco's "I can't get anything" excuse. He got AOT... Super...SAO.....OPM.. Kill La Kill....  Toonami seems to be able to get the big stuff when it feels like it.

There's tons of anime no where near as big as AOT or Super that would be great fits for Toonami. But they're all unavailable? Not sure I buy that.

[PokeNirvash]

It's not an exaggeration when people say Toonami is equivalent to Demarco's MyAnimeList, if he had one.

If Toonami was my MAL account, High School DxD and Kuromukuro would've aired back-to-back by now.

[Daos]

Did you see the change in art style for S4? Very unfortunate.

[PokeNirvash]

I have, and while I will always miss Junji Goto's style (only not, because I've yet to see New), the new designs are Makoto Uno, so it's not a complete loss.

On another note, it's depressing that the closest we'll ever get to another anime with DxD's designs is fucking King's Game.

Edited April 7, 2018 by PokeNirvash

[The1gairon]

38 minutes ago, Daos said:

I'm not sure how much I buy Demarco's "I can't get anything" excuse. He got AOT... Super...SAO.....OPM.. Kill La Kill....  Toonami seems to be able to get the big stuff when it feels like it.

There's tons of anime no where near as big as AOT or Super that would be great fits for Toonami. But they're all unavailable? Not sure I buy that.

Netflix.

That's your answer.

[The1gairon]

24 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

It's not an exaggeration when people say Toonami is equivalent to Demarco's MyAnimeList, if he had one.

If Toonami was my MAL account, High School DxD and Kuromukuro would've aired back-to-back by now.

TOM: We now return to DeMarco's MAL List, on Adult Swim.

[Daos]

3 minutes ago, elfie said:

Netflix.

That's your answer.

But I just listed all the huge anime he shouldn't have been able to get because of Netflix. Yet they aired on Toonami.

DXD S4 looks very similar to Akashic Records but apparently its a new studio with only 7 credits.

[PokeNirvash]

DxD Hero is by the Citrus people, while Akashic Records is by the Killing Bites people. Similarities or not, the studios are way different.

[Winter_Rain]

5 hours ago, Jman said:

You would think he’d be all over the Legend of the Galactic Heroes remake.

I love LoGH and it's one of my few 10/10 series, but...no.  It would be a terrible fit for Toonami.

[Top Gun]

2 hours ago, Daos said:

But I just listed all the huge anime he shouldn't have been able to get because of Netflix. Yet they aired on Toonami.

Most of the shows you listed were either older or never had any affiliation with Netflix.  The problem with Netflix is that they scoop up exclusive streaming rights to some of the biggest-ticket shows every season (not to mention co-produce some of them outright), and they obviously have far bigger pockets than Toonami ever will.

[Blatch]

I wouldn't say that Netflix is able to get all of the shows Toonami wants. Heck, what are the biggest anime they've premiered this year? Violet Evergarden? Kakegurui? I'm not sure if either of those could ever air on the block. Then you've got stuff they produced outright like Devilman Crybaby, which I guess could be compatible with Toonami, but I'm sure the show's extreme content might get in the way.

Actually, it might be that streaming in general is as big of an obstacle to Toonami as any other streaming service. DeMarco said a while back that the rights to The Ancient Magus' Bride weren't available... I find the statement interesting, because how exactly would he know about that if he wasn't potentially looking at it as a show for Toonami? Of course, that's beside the point. Crunchyroll has the show, as well as no real initiative to air stuff on TV, so if they own those particular rights, why would they sit on them? Or maybe they don't even have them all together?

I've said this before, but I think it might be that TV rights are no longer offered in the base package for licensing an anime. I'm sure the expectation for a studio is that their show is going to make the vast majority of its money off of streaming, so it's not wise to bother with outdated consumption formats.

[Jman]

I’ve gone on about how streaming is the future, but that’s a matter of airing it first.

Netflix’s thing is they’re making shows at a far greater quantity than Toonami.  For every FLCL, Netflix has 10 originals alongside their live action originals.  So Toonami will acquire Black Clover seasons while Netflix out and out makes a Saint Seiya remake.  It’s not comparable.

[ben0119]

On 4/7/2018 at 2:37 AM, CaptainStarwind said:

You're overreacting to this.  What are you expecting?  That Toonami is going to be putting out 5 new original shows a year?  I doubt it.  DeMarco may not make the best choices for the block all the time, but he isn't stupid.  He isn't going to throw all the money the block has at producing original shows.  They probably didn't even need to pay much at all for either Samurai Jack Season 5 or FLCL 2 and 3; it wouldn't surprise me if Adult Swim proper footed a large portion of the bill for both, especially in the case of the latter, since it's been stated numerous times that FLCL is Williams St.'s favorite anime.  At best, I see Toonami being able to do one original series every couple of years with their current budget.  They know they need to license anime to even have a change of surviving now.

Obviously not, that's an exaggeration.  But clearly whatever they are doing is draining funds to such a degree, even with likely assistance from Adult Swim's main budget, that we have no new shows.  This isn't sustainable.  The block shouldn't rot just so Demarco can get his fanboy fap on. 

Where are the shows, then?  Outlaw Star was replaced by a rerun.  Cowboy Bebop was to "play it since the HD tapes never got aired in full," but it's airing again, and not as a "placeholder" since apparently Demarco said it was running in full.  A rerun of a rerun.  A waste of a slot and one less premiere.  Now FLCL is playing for the 80 billionth time to lead in to the new series.  It won't have Demarco's intended effect if the new shows end up being a pile of shit by comparison, airing them back to back with the original will make that explicit.  And FLCL was always a NICHE SERIES.

[ben0119]

17 hours ago, elfie said:

The huuuuuge crowd turning out to the FLCL Panel at C2CE yesterday would like a word with you.

That's after the fact.  Demarco was the one endlessly pestering people in Japan for years for them to make more FLCL, like a child, until they finally gave in.  All this time everyone else was content with FLCL being the singular lightning in a bottle classic masterpiece that it was.  Things were set and that was that.  But Demarco couldn't leave well enough alone.  And now the block is suffering for it.

Edited April 8, 2018 by ben0119

[ben0119]

18 hours ago, Jman said:

The cost of making a show from the ground up...on Toonami’s budget, is probably a much greater percentage than Netflix and Hulu’s respective budgets.

Which goes to show you where Demarco's priorities are and his thinking is.

Edited April 8, 2018 by ben0119

[ben0119]

11 hours ago, Daos said:

I'm not sure how much I buy Demarco's "I can't get anything" excuse. He got AOT... Super...SAO.....OPM.. Kill La Kill....  Toonami seems to be able to get the big stuff when it feels like it.

There's tons of anime no where near as big as AOT or Super that would be great fits for Toonami. But they're all unavailable? Not sure I buy that.

Not only that but in the old days they had to compete with other actual TV networks that ran anime once upon a time.  They pulled dickish moves too, like buying shows Toonami wanted and sitting on them.  There's going to be competition.  Does he expect to do business in a vacuum?  So yeah there's no excuse really.

Edited April 8, 2018 by ben0119

[ben0119]

7 hours ago, Top Gun said:

Most of the shows you listed were either older or never had any affiliation with Netflix.  The problem with Netflix is that they scoop up exclusive streaming rights to some of the biggest-ticket shows every season (not to mention co-produce some of them outright), and they obviously have far bigger pockets than Toonami ever will.

It's almost as if not literally every anime is affiliated with Netflix, yet Demarco still fails to get them.

[ben0119]

If/when cable goes the way of Blockbuster, will Demarco commit seppaku?  Not sure how Toonami can remain cutting edge at this rate.  Cable companies refuse to change and adapt and offer better pricing options, whilst streaming services ruthlessly tear through them like Langoliers.  And Demarco continues to make equally baffling decisions. 

Edited April 8, 2018 by ben0119

[Daos]

10 hours ago, Top Gun said:

Most of the shows you listed were either older or never had any affiliation with Netflix.  The problem with Netflix is that they scoop up exclusive streaming rights to some of the biggest-ticket shows every season (not to mention co-produce some of them outright), and they obviously have far bigger pockets than Toonami ever will.

But how did Netflix end up passing on OPM and Super while gobbling up all the obscure stuff? With their fat wallet I'd think those would have both been no brainers.

[PokeNirvash]

That was back when Demarco actually put effort into his pick-ups.

[Blatch]

And when Netflix made a really big effort to make inroads with anime. I thought I heard something along the lines of, they wanted to premiere one new show every other week on average.

[CaptainStarwind]

12 hours ago, ben0119 said:

If/when cable goes the way of Blockbuster, will Demarco commit seppaku? 

Is that like bukkake?  Surely you don't mean seppuku, do you?

[CaptainStarwind]

12 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Obviously not, that's an exaggeration.  But clearly whatever they are doing is draining funds to such a degree, even with likely assistance from Adult Swim's main budget, that we have no new shows.  This isn't sustainable.  The block shouldn't rot just so Demarco can get his fanboy fap on. 

Where are the shows, then?  Outlaw Star was replaced by a rerun.  Cowboy Bebop was to "play it since the HD tapes never got aired in full," but it's airing again, and not as a "placeholder" since apparently Demarco said it was running in full.  A rerun of a rerun.  A waste of a slot and one less premiere.  Now FLCL is playing for the 80 billionth time to lead in to the new series.  It won't have Demarco's intended effect if the new shows end up being a pile of shit by comparison, airing them back to back with the original will make that explicit.  And FLCL was always a NICHE SERIES.

Yes, because Toonami not getting a show yet this year = DeMarco has blown Toonami's entire budget on originals.  Quite a fucking leap of logic.

[Top Gun]

9 hours ago, Daos said:

But how did Netflix end up passing on OPM and Super while gobbling up all the obscure stuff? With their fat wallet I'd think those would have both been no brainers.

DBZ has always been FUNi's baby, so there's no way that was ever available for Netflix, and airing it on Cartoon Network was a given.   And Viz presumably gets the first say on Shounen Jump titles, since they're literally a direct subsidiary of the companies that own it.  You have to remember that there are natural affiliations in the industry, and that not every show out there will be made available to Netflix, no matter how much money they have.

And I see we have confirmation yet again that ben would have run the block into the ground within a week if anyone were ever stupid enough to put him in charge.  You don't have a goddamn clue about anything.

[Jman]

14 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Which goes to show you where Demarco's priorities are and his thinking is.

Trying to produce original content instead of stuff people have seen on Hulu, Crunchyroll and Youtube?

Snark aside, making originals is technically a smart move.  Their last original, Samurai Jack season 5, did big numbers without the show airing elsewhere first.

[Sketch]

On 4/8/2018 at 2:32 PM, Top Gun said:

DBZ has always been FUNi's baby, so there's no way that was ever available for Netflix, and airing it on Cartoon Network was a given.   And Viz presumably gets the first say on Shounen Jump titles, since they're literally a direct subsidiary of the companies that own it.  You have to remember that there are natural affiliations in the industry, and that not every show out there will be made available to Netflix, no matter how much money they have.

And I see we have confirmation yet again that ben would have run the block into the ground within a week if anyone were ever stupid enough to put him in charge.  You don't have a goddamn clue about anything.

It's probably also the case that One-Punch Man was around before Amazon and Netflix got gung-ho about anime. I mean for Pete sake, One-Punch ended up on Daisuki (also Hulu thanks to Viz) before Viz handed it to Toonami.

With DBZ Kai and DBS, Toei wasn't going to settle for just streaming. They wanted Super on a kids network but probably none were interested while Adult Swim could at least offer prime time to appease them. Whoever calls the shots with My Hero Academia seems content with Hulu for the show's wider exposure beyond FUNimation and now CR but I keep thinking they may have flat out not wanted My Hero Academia to air on a block targeting adults when MHA is intended to be for young audiences. Black Clover's producers, on the other hand, passed that over to Adult Swim right quick and until Crunchyroll gets something else onto Toonami I'm going to figure it was TV Tokyo that pushed for that and CR is playing hard to get with Mob Psycho 100 and The Ancient Magus Bride among other shows.

Edited April 11, 2018 by Sketch

[Daos]

On 4/8/2018 at 3:39 PM, Jman said:

Trying to produce original content instead of stuff people have seen on Hulu, Crunchyroll and Youtube?

Snark aside, making originals is technically a smart move.  Their last original, Samurai Jack season 5, did big numbers without the show airing elsewhere first.

Samurai Jack style hits are going to be few and far between. Original content becoming a hit would be great for Toonami but I don't think they have the talent to do that on a consistent basis. We'll see how the FLCL sequels go=P

[ben0119]

On 4/8/2018 at 4:06 PM, CaptainStarwind said:

Is that like bukkake?  Surely you don't mean seppuku, do you?

Yes, seppuku.  I even looked it up to see I spelled it right, but I guess I didn't look at the google results correctly.  Not sure how you got bukkake from that, though.

[ben0119]

On 4/8/2018 at 4:07 PM, CaptainStarwind said:

Yes, because Toonami not getting a show yet this year = DeMarco has blown Toonami's entire budget on originals.  Quite a fucking leap of logic.

Maybe not the entire budget, but a sizable chunk of it, it seems.  Where are the new shows?  We know one was delayed for legal reasons, but what about the others?  Why replace things with reruns if you've got new shows waiting in the wings?  We're already four months into 2018...

Edited April 14, 2018 by ben0119

[ben0119]

On 4/8/2018 at 5:39 PM, Jman said:

Trying to produce original content instead of stuff people have seen on Hulu, Crunchyroll and Youtube?

Snark aside, making originals is technically a smart move.  Their last original, Samurai Jack season 5, did big numbers without the show airing elsewhere first.

We know by now that that doesn't have much impact, though.  If a show appeals to people, they will watch it, and not everybody watches everything in those places first.

So far their "original content" has been sequels to old shows.  Samurai Jack, yeah, I can see it.  People wanted a conclusion.  Even after all these years there was still people who wanted to see it, as borne out by the ratings.  But FLCL?  No one but Demarco wanted that.  It remains to be seen if the new FLCL shows will be good.  Jury is still out.  It also was never mainstream like Jack was.  Their actually original original was IGPX.  Which, admittedly, was a very original idea, but horribly executed.

[ben0119]

On 4/8/2018 at 4:32 PM, Top Gun said:

And I see we have confirmation yet again that ben would have run the block into the ground within a week if anyone were ever stupid enough to put him in charge.  You don't have a goddamn clue about anything.

Care to elaborate?

[PokeNirvash]

6 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Their actually original original was IGPX.  Which, admittedly, was a very original idea, but horribly executed.

I didn't think the execution was that bad, but that's just me and my prejudice for haters talking.

[Daos]

7 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Yes, seppuku.  I even looked it up to see I spelled it right, but I guess I didn't look at the google results correctly.  Not sure how you got bukkake from that, though.

Whoa whoa this isn't pornhub.