Double Bebop March 24th

[The1gairon]

2 hours ago, Sketch said:

Angry folks on the internet made a stink but there was no actual damage from that stunt outside of the night it happened. Compare the ratings for the weeks before and after. Jack didn’t drop and the rest of Toonami was unaffected.

Toonami's ratings kind of took a permanent nose drive around the time of that Rick & Morty prank. Though it may just be a coincidence.

[Daos]

5 hours ago, Sketch said:

I don’t see ReZero airing directly after Family Guy as a great idea. It should be at least third in the line-up though.

I have a feeling they'll air it 3rd, which is a waste. Super fans will still come for Super if it airs second, just like they did when it aired after Jack.

Airing it after Kai just makes no sense. 

[Daos]

3 hours ago, elfie said:

Toonami's ratings kind of took a permanent nose drive around the time of that Rick & Morty prank. Though it may just be a coincidence.

Pretty sure Toonami was on downward trajectory before that.

[ben0119]

On 3/19/2018 at 10:10 AM, Blatch said:

Almost nobody expected that [adult swim] would preempt primetime for a second gag last year, so the risk of losing viewers was rational, albeit still rather overblown. You should cool it with the fearmongering for right now and just enjoy whatever funny shit ends up airing.

Oh it was shit alright, but it wasn't funny.  If that's their idea of funny, I'll skip it.  Besides, the same episode over and over?  Really?

[ben0119]

On 3/19/2018 at 1:06 PM, Sketch said:

Angry folks on the internet made a stink but there was no actual damage from that stunt outside of the night it happened. Compare the ratings for the weeks before and after. Jack didn’t drop and the rest of Toonami was unaffected.

I remember the ratings going way down after that, and I think Jack's momentum got detailed too.

[ben0119]

On 3/19/2018 at 9:53 AM, brianycpht said:

Whatever they do, I hope it is something that adds value to the block Whether its a surprise premiere of a new show or them trying out a new genre like Jason has been talking about. In that regard, I think it will make up for the lack of the other premieres. If its something, for instance, like a Hamtaro marathon that's only a joke and doesn't add anything, that would be a huge waste of opportunity.

I never thought about them using it as a testbed for those other genres Demarco was talking about.  It would be nice if they used it for something productive like that, like when Toonami first came back, instead of something retarded like they did last year.

[Daos]

Is this a Zombie is the perfect candidate for an April fools marathon.

[Sketch]

I think people just wanted to believe the stunt threw off Toonami's groove at the time because it personally pissed them off and they wanted a reason to stay mad about it. However, if you look at the actual numbers it tells a very different story.

Jack's momentum definitely didn't get derailed, it maintained a 1.3 million average for the most part. I suppose you could argue it might have done even better if the stunt didn't happen but that's probably not the case.

The rest of the line-up didn't see much of difference in the weeks following the stunt either. Things didn't really start turning until double JoJo pre-empted Tokyo Ghoul and Attack on Titan season 2 arrived. Then they got worse when Samurai Jack ended and started rerunning at 11pm (a stupid choice that they rectified but not soon enough). April 1st was obviously a bad night for the ratings but it seems to be an isolated incident as far as the ratings are concerned.

March 11th (Jack premieres)
1,552,000
1,251,000
903,000
672,000
569,000
569,000
674,000
657,000
602,000

March 18th
1,300,000
1,054,000
973,000
790,000
679,000
660,000
656,000
587,000
559,000

March 25th
1,352,000
1,066,000
1,074,000
938,000
879,000
805,000
720,000
643,000
499,000

April 1st
949,000 (R&M)
818,000 (R&M)
864,000 (DBZK)
679,000
601,000
593,000
548,000
583,000
492,000

April 8th
1,335,000
1,132,000
1,012,000
783,000
820,000
715,000
576,000
514,000
508,000

April 15th (hasty double JoJo)
1,297,000
1,000,000
924,000
829,000
747,000
687,000
555,000
562,000
510,000

April 23rd (Attack on Titan 2)
1,330,000
991,000
976,000
826,000
712,000
659,000
577,000
547,000
487,000

April 29th
1,302,000
977,000
996,000
808,000
719,000
656,000
575,000
560,000
532,000

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16uNaN6-2tjbFaZDubjeLQjJcudRN6ssacWzyT3L6-l4/edit#gid=723728024

Edited March 21, 2018 by Sketch

[Daos]

Yup Jack looks consistent. The April fools hurt Toonami thing seems like a myth. One day of a prank isn't going to do that much damage.

March 25th.. Kai beat Super? You don't see that anymore.

[Sketch]

8 minutes ago, Daos said:

Yup Jack looks consistent. The April fools hurt Toonami thing seems like a myth. One day of a prank isn't going to do that much damage.

March 25th.. Kai beat Super? You don't see that anymore.

Kai beat Super every now and then in 2017 while Super was in the movie arcs but it's been quite a while since Kai did that. Viewers seemed to have forsaken Buu Kai. It's holding Super little better than most shows held DBZ Kai. Maybe it's because it's all on Bluray, maybe it's because it's not as nicely remastered as the rest of Kai, maybe it's because the Buu saga has some serious problems that nostalgia is no longer hiding or maybe people have simply moved on to Super and don't care to relive old DBZ as much anymore. Whatever the reason may be, Kai has lost a great deal of its luster with this audience so I rather hope they don't rerun it.

But speaking of rerunning things, they may actually intend to rerun Bebop in one slot after the inevitable April Fools stunt that will pre-empt 12AM onward. If they intend to rerun the original FLCL before June 2nd then I could see them double up Bebop on April 7th and drop it back to one episode on April 14th allowing FLCL to take a slot for the 6 weeks before Memorial Day Weekend. I know most folks around here won't be thrilled to see Bebop run again but considering pretty often outrated Outlaw Star and Dandy airing before it in recent months it's not the worst idea to keep it around. It would most likely move to 3:30 when GITS ends.

However, I'd definitely prefer a scenario where both Bebop episodes are replaced by something fresh, or at least one of them is new and the other is FLCL.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Sketch

[Daos]

My theory about Buu Saga is that it needed the remaster the least. The art and voice acting were pretty good by the time the Buu saga originally came around. Also the massive delay caused by the Tsunami years ago has hurt it.

They also just didn't seem to cut enough filler out of the Kai Buu saga. Some people joke that the Kai Buu saga needs a "Kai" version to cut it down to size. I mean they're right, this saga really dragged even in Kai form.

I hope they're not dumb enough to air their new show after Kai now that its retention sucks.

[brianycpht]

http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimdynsched/asXml/7.EST.xml

 

Schedule for 4/7 is blanked out. This most likely means double Bebop isn’t a permanent thing 

Hopefully it’s not just an FLCL rerun, but if it is, it replaces Bebop and we get something else new!

Edited March 21, 2018 by brianycpht

[brianycpht]

3 hours ago, Daos said:

My theory about Buu Saga is that it needed the remaster the least. The art and voice acting were pretty good by the time the Buu saga originally came around. Also the massive delay caused by the Tsunami years ago has hurt it.

They also just didn't seem to cut enough filler out of the Kai Buu saga. Some people joke that the Kai Buu saga needs a "Kai" version to cut it down to size. I mean they're right, this saga really dragged even in Kai form.

I hope they're not dumb enough to air their new show after Kai now that its retention sucks.

Well the Japanese cut has 8 fewer episodes I believe. I wish we had gotten that one over here instead!

[Daos]

4 hours ago, brianycpht said:

Well the Japanese cut has 8 fewer episodes I believe. I wish we had gotten that one over here instead!

Really? Yeah I can think of at least 8 episodes Kai could have done without. I wonder why they got a shorter cut.

[OwlChemist81]

I'm counting on this schedule to be a red herring beyond Black Clover or MAAAAAYBE JoJo just to keep Part 1 and Part 2 from airing 2 weeks apart. Besides, a prank starting at 12:30 instead of Midnight would be an interesting twist!

http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimdynsched/asXml/31.EST.xml

Edited March 21, 2018 by OwlChemist81

[brianycpht]

48 minutes ago, Daos said:

Really? Yeah I can think of at least 8 episodes Kai could have done without. I wonder why they got a shorter cut.

Something about it needing to only last about a year. We got the original cut. I know they cut out a few episodes of the Great Saiyaman stuff and a few episodes at the end (yes our Kai actually kept some of the filler after the Buu fight). What we have sort of defeats the purpose of Kai 

[brianycpht]

44 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

I'm counting on this schedule to be a red herring beyond Black Clover or MAAAAAYBE JoJo just to keep Part 1 and Part 2 from airing 2 weeks apart. Besides, a prank starting at 12:30 instead of Midnight would be an interesting twist!

http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimdynsched/asXml/31.EST.xml

Oh it totally is. This is why they are acting like double Bebop is the new lineup. They have to have some kind of decoy schedule up. They just are in the unfortunate position of also having a show ending at the same time!

[ben0119]

On 3/21/2018 at 1:43 AM, Daos said:

Is this a Zombie is the perfect candidate for an April fools marathon.

Oh god no. I sat through enough of that torture during the short-lived Chiller block.  I actually had to simulate my viewing of it via streaming services since I didn't have the channel back then.  Is this a Zombie is still defiling my Funimation Now queue.

[ben0119]

On 3/21/2018 at 5:13 AM, Daos said:

Yup Jack looks consistent. The April fools hurt Toonami thing seems like a myth. One day of a prank isn't going to do that much damage.

March 25th.. Kai beat Super? You don't see that anymore.

Yeah well still... fuck that April Fool's.

[ben0119]

On 3/21/2018 at 5:19 AM, Sketch said:

Kai beat Super every now and then in 2017 while Super was in the movie arcs but it's been quite a while since Kai did that. Viewers seemed to have forsaken Buu Kai. It's holding Super little better than most shows held DBZ Kai. Maybe it's because it's all on Bluray, maybe it's because it's not as nicely remastered as the rest of Kai, maybe it's because the Buu saga has some serious problems that nostalgia is no longer hiding or maybe people have simply moved on to Super and don't care to relive old DBZ as much anymore. Whatever the reason may be, Kai has lost a great deal of its luster with this audience so I rather hope they don't rerun it.

But speaking of rerunning things, they may actually intend to rerun Bebop in one slot after the inevitable April Fools stunt that will pre-empt 12AM onward. If they intend to rerun the original FLCL before June 2nd then I could see them double up Bebop on April 7th and drop it back to one episode on April 14th allowing FLCL to take a slot for the 6 weeks before Memorial Day Weekend. I know most folks around here won't be thrilled to see Bebop run again but considering pretty often outrated Outlaw Star and Dandy airing before it in recent months it's not the worst idea to keep it around. It would most likely move to 3:30 when GITS ends.

However, I'd definitely prefer a scenario where both Bebop episodes are replaced by something fresh, or at least one of them is new and the other is FLCL.

NO MORE BEBOP!

Probably the only reason Bebop is doing that well is Demarco pumping it into TV stores.  Or, it's because it actually hasn't been on for a long enough time that people actually want to watch it again, or people living under a rock or youngins' are seeing it for the first time.  Rerun it again immediately and I'm pretty sure that rating is nullified.

[ben0119]

On 3/21/2018 at 2:56 PM, brianycpht said:

Something about it needing to only last about a year. We got the original cut. I know they cut out a few episodes of the Great Saiyaman stuff and a few episodes at the end (yes our Kai actually kept some of the filler after the Buu fight). What we have sort of defeats the purpose of Kai 

Is that really true?  Why in the hell...

[PokeNirvash]

4 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Yeah well still... fuck that April Fool's.

The fact that you're still complaining about it a year later is the reason [adult swim] hates us anime fans.

[brianycpht]

10 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Is that really true?  Why in the hell...

Unfortunately, the cut we have is what was made by TOEI Europe for the international markets where Kai was more successful than in Japan. For whatever reason the wanted 69 episodes. When Japan picked it up after Toriko got cancelled, the only needed the slot for a little over a year so they cut 8 episodes of material out. So there’s is only 61 episodes. If we got that version, we’d be wrapping up Kai next month!

[ben0119]

On 3/23/2018 at 10:56 AM, brianycpht said:

Unfortunately, the cut we have is what was made by TOEI Europe for the international markets where Kai was more successful than in Japan. For whatever reason the wanted 69 episodes. When Japan picked it up after Toriko got cancelled, the only needed the slot for a little over a year so they cut 8 episodes of material out. So there’s is only 61 episodes. If we got that version, we’d be wrapping up Kai next month!

Very odd.  So what was the fillery stuff that got cut out?

[ben0119]

On 3/23/2018 at 5:29 AM, PokeNirvash said:

The fact that you're still complaining about it a year later is the reason [adult swim] hates us anime fans.

Well it's not my fault someone had to bring it up and remind me of it.

Besides, we only get Toonami one night a week.  It's a precious commodity.  To waste it on that bullshit, is well, wasteful.  And you can better believe they'd never preempt Sunday to show nothing but anime, or do some other stupid stunt.  But because Toonami and Saturday is throwaway to them apparently, it doesn't matter if we get fucked over.

Edited March 31, 2018 by ben0119

[CaptainStarwind]

3 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Well it's not my fault someone had to bring it up and remind me of it.

Besides, we only get Toonami one night a week.  It's a precious commodity.  To waste it on that bullshit, is well, wasteful.  And you can better believe they'd never preempt Sunday to show nothing but anime, or do some other stupid stunt.  But because Toonami and Saturday is throwaway to them apparently, it doesn't matter if we get fucked over.

You're taking this far to seriously, man.

[ben0119]

On 3/31/2018 at 2:17 AM, CaptainStarwind said:

You're taking this far to seriously, man.

Maybe.  At least tonight was good.  But Bebop better not be back.  That would be a far greater injustice.

[brianycpht]

16 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Maybe.  At least tonight was good.  But Bebop better not be back.  That would be a far greater injustice.

 

16 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Maybe.  At least tonight was good.  But Bebop better not be back.  That would be a far greater injustice.

Don’t be surprised if it is. It may even stay doubled up until the have a new show ready. It could just be a placeholder for now. It will probably stick around for another run with one episode though. It’s at 3am so no big deal

[ben0119]

On 4/1/2018 at 9:33 PM, brianycpht said:

 

Don’t be surprised if it is. It may even stay doubled up until the have a new show ready. It could just be a placeholder for now. It will probably stick around for another run with one episode though. It’s at 3am so no big deal

But it's a waste of a slot.

[The1gairon]

58 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

But it's a waste of a slot.

But it's in preparation for it NOT to be a waste of a slot.

[Blatch]

Whether or not it's "wasting a slot" is a matter of personal preference. DeMarco doesn't seem to think so, although he has apparently admitted that the block could be shorter. Personally, I think they could relinquish Bebop and move GiTS up to 3:00, or maybe even ditch the entire hour once that show ends. If there are no HD remasters of classic shows (Big O, Gundam Wing, et al.) on the way, I would strongly consider it.

[ben0119]

26 minutes ago, elfie said:

But it's in preparation for it NOT to be a waste of a slot.

How?

[ben0119]

17 minutes ago, Blatch said:

Whether or not it's "wasting a slot" is a matter of personal preference. DeMarco doesn't seem to think so, although he has apparently admitted that the block could be shorter. Personally, I think they could relinquish Bebop and move GiTS up to 3:00, or maybe even ditch the entire hour once that show ends. If there are no HD remasters of classic shows (Big O, Gundam Wing, et al.) on the way, I would strongly consider it.

Demarco thinks a lot of foolish things.  What does he hope to gain by doing this?  Did he learn nothing from the blunder of running shows into the ground that helped get the block bifurcated?  They could at least move GitS earlier so I don't have to kill 30 minutes while Bebop is on, and just check out early.  Might as well if they are just going to waste it on reruns.

[The1gairon]

5 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

How?

Because they'll get rid of one of those Bebops once FLCL and the new installments of FLCL arrive.

[brianycpht]

1 minute ago, elfie said:

Because they'll get rid of one of those Bebops once FLCL and the new installments of FLCL arrive.

Demarco did say it was rerunning in full I think 

[ben0119]

2 minutes ago, elfie said:

Because they'll get rid of one of those Bebops once FLCL and the new installments of FLCL arrive.

But there will still be one Bebop episode airing.

[ben0119]

2 minutes ago, brianycpht said:

Demarco did say it was rerunning in full I think 

UGH

[brianycpht]

1 minute ago, ben0119 said:

But there will still be one Bebop episode airing.

Right now there’s only 1 

[ben0119]

2 minutes ago, brianycpht said:

Right now there’s only 1 

I know.  That's what I said?  There shouldn't be any.

[brianycpht]

Just now, ben0119 said:

I know.  That's what I said?  There shouldn't be any.

 

Just now, ben0119 said:

I know.  That's what I said?  There shouldn't be any.

My bad, I misread that 

[The1gairon]

6 minutes ago, brianycpht said:

Demarco did say it was rerunning in full I think 

I was mainly answering the decision for TWO Bebops.

[Phillies]

DP Bebop! 

[Top Gun]

19 hours ago, ben0119 said:

But there will still be one Bebop episode airing.

No one gives a shit besides you.

[CaptainStarwind]

21 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Demarco thinks a lot of foolish things.  What does he hope to gain by doing this?  Did he learn nothing from the blunder of running shows into the ground that helped get the block bifurcated?  They could at least move GitS earlier so I don't have to kill 30 minutes while Bebop is on, and just check out early.  Might as well if they are just going to waste it on reruns.

Just cut out early then, no one is stopping you!  Admittedly, I'm not happy Bebop is taking another run directly after the last, but it's all the way at the near end of the block, and to be honest with you if they didn't rerun Bebop there they probably wouldn't have the slot anyway, so it's not like it's taking up a premiere slot.

[ben0119]

On 4/7/2018 at 3:21 PM, Top Gun said:

No one gives a shit besides you.

No one else gives a shit that the block is wasting away?

[ben0119]

On 4/7/2018 at 5:02 PM, CaptainStarwind said:

Just cut out early then, no one is stopping you!  Admittedly, I'm not happy Bebop is taking another run directly after the last, but it's all the way at the near end of the block, and to be honest with you if they didn't rerun Bebop there they probably wouldn't have the slot anyway, so it's not like it's taking up a premiere slot.

I'm watching Ghost in the Shell, so I can't cut out early.  Quite annoying.  I'd rather no slot than Bebop airing.  It's been run to death enough as it is.  It also wouldn't create the impression of there being a slot wasted.  How do you know it's not taking up a premiere slot?

[CaptainStarwind]

3 hours ago, ben0119 said:

I'm watching Ghost in the Shell, so I can't cut out early.  Quite annoying.  I'd rather no slot than Bebop airing.  It's been run to death enough as it is.  It also wouldn't create the impression of there being a slot wasted.  How do you know it's not taking up a premiere slot?

1. It airs at 3:00 in the morning.  Toonami hasn't premiered anything recent at 3:00 in the morning in a few years.

2. The only thing that would feasibly "premiere" at 3:00 in the morning would be an uncut rerun of an older show, much like Outlaw Star.

3. If Toonami had bought the rights to such a show, they would have premiered it there after Outlaw Star ended.  If the show had to be delayed, than Cowboy Bebop could possibly just be a placeholder for now.

[ben0119]

Just now, CaptainStarwind said:

1. It airs at 3:00 in the morning.  Toonami hasn't premiered anything recent at 3:00 in the morning in a few years.

2. The only thing that would feasibly "premiere" at 3:00 in the morning would be an uncut rerun of an older show, much like Outlaw Star.

3. If Toonami had bought the rights to such a show, they would have premiered it there after Outlaw Star ended.  If the show had to be delayed, than Cowboy Bebop could possibly just be a placeholder for now.

There's other reruns besides Cowboy Bebop.  Remember, shows that replace each other don't have to go in the same slot.  Excise Bebop from the block, put something new on earlier, move another rerun into its place, and voila!

Someone had said that Demarco said it's going to rerun in full, but since no source was posted I can't be sure of this.  But I wouldn't put it past him.

[korosu]

1 hour ago, ben0119 said:

Someone had said that Demarco said it's going to rerun in full, but since no source was posted I can't be sure of this.  But I wouldn't put it past him.