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I know who you voted for. Why is Kamala a shit candidate when I can demonstrably use voting data to show that her gender is the only identifiable constant between her supporters and detractors?

That is not what the majority of the country said, unless you're insinuating women in general are shit candidates. Is that what you're saying?

Harris lost because she was a woman and a POC. I've yet to hear a valid explanation of how pessimism about the economy exists despite the fact that an aggressive rate increase was enacted and miraculously did not trigger a recession. Yes, the direct explanation for Harris' loss is tied to that same pessimism and the cost of living, but all of the vitals for the economy (inflation index / CPI, borrowing rates, unemployment) suggest that the economy is in fairly excellent shape. The cause of that pessimism is almost assuredly not actual market indicators, but it is in a way about futures. Also, all this talk about Kamala being hurt at the polls because of her days as a prosecutor is hogwash (lol). Concerns about her work in law enforcement are absolutely valid and they certainly contributed to her floundering in the initial primary. Four year later, Gascon in LA loses his bid for reelection because he's everything she wasn't - conscientious and compassionate about charging low level offenders, direct when charging major crimes, willing to revisit past unjust sentencing - and he gets pegged for the perception that crime is rampant. If anything, Kamala should have benefitted from her work as a prosecutor at a time when crime was down because of it. No, this too is a smokescreen. More importantly, while black men might have been afraid of Kamala, black women were most certainly not. Trump didn't magically gain women followers, he simply had a higher share of women because there were fewer men voting for Kamala. The overall numbers were starkly favorable to Kamala. Why, then, is Kamala favorable to one group of black people and not to another? The common denominator here is gender across all of the demographics (well, except Gen X for reasons that eerily reflect those previously defined by Boomers). It's because men, regardless of their demographic, are less likely to trust a woman to uphold their best interests than a man. That's what's so confounding to me - that we can't trust a woman to be a president in a supposedly open society, even when compared to a demented old fool.

No, Kenny, I've never seen a poling place.

Of course I don’t know everything. I would never pretend I do. I’m just open minded enough to appreciate being wrong.

No can have a real conversation with you because you’re stupid. I don’t meant that as an insult… you really have no idea how anything works. You don’t understand foreign politics. You don’t understand the basics of macroeconomics. You have only a tenuous grasp on most of the sciences. Talking to you is a lot like talking to a wall.

I don’t know. I can’t even pretend I’m a Millennial either.

Oh, no doubt. It's just that Putin doesn't have a lot to offer Trump right about now. On the other hand, Saudi Arabia has the best opportunity to pocket Trump because they have the money to give Trump anything he wants and they can benefit exponentially. It's entirely possible they encourage Trump to feed more weapons into Ukraine for the sole purpose of keeping Russia on the sidelines of the oil market, though that is also not particularly likely.

Those god damn mother fucking Gen Xers.

God damn it.... Third, but only if I get to go for the jugular.

Putin doesn't have that kind of control on Trump, at least not now that Trump feels invulnerable. Not that this is a good thing - but it's anyone's game now that he's back in power.

We didn't want to hear more from you, in case you missed it.

Seriously, though.... Fuck Gen X.

Tell them what? I know why all these men voted for a racist bigot, and it has everything to do with the outdated brand of masculinity that he espouses. Men have a vested interest in voting for the man who isn't going to ask them to adapt to a new world order.

I believe Insipid also pointed out that there were significant women and LGBTQIA+ representation in Trump's orbit as well. That doesn't change the fact Trump's message wasn't to any of them. He wasn't speaking to black people, he wasn't speaking to gay people, he wasn't speaking to women. He was only speaking to straight white older men.

I'll have to see some kind of data to corroborate that (and I'm not asking you because I know that's not something you could have at this point), but it's mostly immaterial given that Trump won a popularity vote despite being openly hostile to the same groups you mention. Identity politics hasn't come up much as of late because it's mostly become an afterthought... and rightly so. It's an artificial term; covertly used to label people for voting based on their personal values without openly using racist terminology and primarily on conservative platforms where such sentiment is safe. However, it doesn't apply to Hollywood so neatly. If you're suggesting that Hollywood should go broke for pursuing openly LGBTQIA+, black, latino programming, then you're reducing all of the pertinent value systems to stereotypical behavior.

I see what I did. I said "white" instead of "young." I know they're not white and it doesn't matter. A lot is being made of Latino men going for Trump when, in fact, there are plenty of examples of toxic masculinity in hispanic culture along with a concerted effort to root it out. The same applies for black men.

I have a huge issue with the term diversification in the absence of a concerted effort to reach out to other groups, regardless of them choosing to vote for him. It has nothing to do with "voting against one's own interests:" I don't believe any of these white guys are voting against their interests. It just so happens their values align with an openly racist, homophobic, and elitist agenda.

What rhetoric specifically? I don't tend to think Trump's voter base is all that diversified because the message he blasts specifically to uneducated, straight, white older males can work on young males that are not white but still uneducated and straight.

Well Latinos can be racist too, but that's not what it is. There isn't a paradigm shift, though. Like I said - this is the last gasp of the dying macho man.

I’ve been avoiding any news whatsoever so I don’t have to think about it… so I’m rewatching the episode of Ghosts where…. It somehow helps.

Why can’t you?

Dude was a cultural touchstone.

Well, I apologize, then.