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@Master-Debater131 What I find the grossest about your position is that when Israel acts every bit as repulsively as Hamas, at best you pretend it didn't hapoen, and have gone so far as to defend countless war crimes.

What talking points? That Israel doesn't universally represent all Jews? That Palestine isn't interchangeablle with Hamas?

Pro-Palestine is not the same as pro-Hamas. How hard is that to understand?

I like that @Master-Debater131 was real quick to use the smallest of errors (not catching that she acknowledged satire, as she explicitly agreed with it) to ignore ALL OF THIS. Could it be that all she has are cheap gotchas?! Color me shocked!

"It isn't even satire anymore.": "Wait, you hate Jews too? I wanted to punch nazis but you're making it so hard!" Oh man, such believable dialogue. Barely even satire.

Oh, god. Now that I've looked at the article, you didn't read this article and actually think it was real, did you....? This dialogue is.... Well... I don't think my body can survive the lethal amounts of cringe reading further will induce. I made it 2 paragraphs. It's so unbelievably terrible.

That's the Babylon Bee. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Babylon_Bee Wiki is a great deal more generous with its definition than I'd be. Satire typically involves being funny or having the capacity to deliver a joke.

...... Do you have a concussion? Reading this may have given me one.

Your commentary on Israel is what's antisemitic. Very much so, in fact. How do you know these people were targeting Jewish people? Were they able to use their Jewdar? Did they look at them and figure it out by how Jewy they look? Your unwillingness to accept that supporting Israel is not synonymous with being Jewish is deeply antisemitic. Whether or not my grandfather was, or my mom is, Jewish has literally nothing to do with Israel. If my grandfather were alive, he'd be viscerally repulsed by what Israel is doing, as is my mom. He was, and she is, Jewish by virtue of practicing the religion. Israel has nothing to do with it. But please, tell me how antisemitic that is. My quarter Hebrew ass be busy visiting my mom for a seder supper tonight while you behave indistinguishable from your 2016 nemesises, hated by you for throwing accusations of bigotry at the drop of a hat. It's totally not offensive to compare Jews to nazis for daring to have nuance in their opinions or anything. You don't oppose antisemitism. You are antisemitic. You don't get to "fight" antisemitism with antisemitism. That's not how it works.

Stop sending us so many applications!

Taking a cursory glance at this first guy's Wiki was actually a bit... refreshing? Like, this one random Republican politician's biography doesn’t read like a Jeffrey Dahmer fanfic where he's managed to satiate the bloodlust through legislation.

The lunatic fringe for.... not wanting Israel to indiscriminately slaughter cities with no regard for who is or is not guilty....? Maybe you should apply your flagrant disregard for basic human rights to the American justice system. What would it look like if it were as eager to find guilt as you and Israel are toward Palestinians?

Weird shit.

Momth on medical leave of absence + state paid leave dragging ass like it's glued to the carpet + employer short-term disability denial so absurd it is most likely criminal = negative money = 6 days without weed because they don't accept credit cards Never get disability insurance through Lincoln Financial. If the evidence I gave wasn't enough, I seriously doubt they actually provide the alleged insurance.

It's more of a discussion on why they do it and how it got to that point. So if they do something horrible, it's not without reason or ramifications. It's never forgotten and weighs on the characters. For instance, the terrorist attack I mentioned is very frankly referred to as such and it's not advocating for it. It's handled with a lot of nuance. The characters all express similar sentiment as you before deciding that it's the only viable option to save the planet. In fact, in the final book So they don't pull punches on addressing the questionable actions done by any character, even if it's the main crew. There are some of the side-story Chronicles books that can give some idea of what the series is like outside the main cast, if you want something a bit less uncomfortable to start with. The Hork-Bajir Chronicles or the Ellimist Chronicles could be good entry points. Hork-Bajir Chronicles is around the halfway point and Ellimist Chronicles is very late series, but I think they work well as standalone. The Hork-Bajir Chronicles is about a race of simple, peaceful lizard-like that was conquered by the Yeerks, being parasitic slugs that crawl into a host's ear and takes over the brain and primary alien invader of the series. It's the backstory revolving around the war resulting in their loss. It gets told from three perspectives: an observer who gets invested in defending the Hork-Bajir, a rare genetic mutation of Hork-Bajir that has superior intellectual capacity (there are a couple of them throught the series) turned warrior, and the main series antagonist pre-Earth invasion. The Ellimist Chronicles is basically like if Q had an origin story. Both are excellent reads and take place before any of the main characters are born, so the ties are relatively minimal in those. It's definitely a series that has many parts that you aren't supposed to feel comfortable with. Your concerns are understandable, but keep in mind the vast majority are handled as if it were an episode of Star Trek. They do typically lean toward the harsher moral dilemmas than TNG, though, given it is a group of young, untrained gurerrila combatants fighting a war with a pretty unflinching directness about the brutality of war. The overall thesis statement is very, very anti-war. If someone does something with serious moral problems, they books will make it known that they're doing something horrible whether they believe it to be justified or not. It's honestly one of the best depictions of how different people cope with PTSD I've seen. You should definitely give it a shot. You'll probably like them a lot more than it might seem. I wasn't sure I'd like them as an adult, but if I were to have kids, I think it's actually great introduction to developing a strong moral compass. As an adult, I felt that it was very worthwhile even though I didn't read it as a kid.

I saw it on TV. It must be real.

Animorphs is really good at diving into morality and making it digestible to kids, but if those same parents had read it, it would've been very controversial. Well... assuming they actually cared about violence, and weren't just mad about magic and witchcraft.

That too.

I was a little too young for them. I would've been getting old enough right around the time they ended. I remember attempting to read one, but got confused by all the sci-fi terms. The fact Animorphs wasn't very controversy compared to Pokemon and Harry Potter is remarkable and shows how little the people up in arms over those actually knew about what kids were consuming. Animorphs is much, much more violent, and graphic, than either of those. Significantly more insightful, though, given it's basically Star Trek to the point of frequent references to it but with more of a central focus on a guerrilla war and the psychological impacts. It's probably right up your alley.

Can't stop thinking about the time the Animorphs That book was wild. Probably one of the best in the series, which is actually a high bar. ........ @ghostrek You should read Animorphs. They're basically like reading Star Trek for a younger demographic, but it doesn't shy away from getting into the weeds on heavy subjects. It's darker than Star Trek by a pretty significant margin and handled maturely, so it being aimed at children shouldn't have much impact on enjoyment as long as you're okay with some goofy Saturday morning cartoon dialogue. I haven't seen DS9 yet, but I've heard it's a little more serialized than TNG and if that's true, Animorphs would probably be more like DS9 than TNG. Most books are pretty standalone in their story, but there's enough progression from one to the next that they should be read in order. Long series, fairly short books, easy reads. If you prefer audiobooks, Audible has all of them.

You say that like I'll ever have one.