One Piece Episode 737 Discussion

[CorbeauKarasu]

Episode 737: 
The Birth of the Legend! The Adventures of the Revolutionary Warrior Sabo!

Bond of Brothers

The war for Dressrosa is over and the time has come to rest and heal. As Luffy recovers among his friends, Sabo pays him a visit and makes introductions. How did the man now known as a Revolutionary Soldier survive all this time? And where has he been?

 

ONLY TOONAMI

 

 

All pirates searching for the treasure One Piece must brave the second half of the Grand Line.

These wild and dangerous seas are known as The New World.

Gold Roger and his crew were the only men to ever chart these waters and learn all the secrets they held.

For the rest of the pirates in the world, this has proven to be the end of the road -

A Graveyard of Dreams. 

[Dark_Cloud_Overhead]

Even asleep, he's dreaming of meat.

[ben0119]

I could've sworn we already had an episode that covered Sabo's life.  Maybe this is about a another part of it.

BELLAMY IS ALIVE AND YOU BROUGHT HIM BACK?!

And he seems to have shrunk haha.

[ben0119]

Why are Sabo's eyes drawn off model like that?  They're just circles. 🤣

CP0 ugh.  Not more shit.

Presumably they're worse than CP9.  Don't suppose we'll see 1 through 8.

[ben0119]

An evil town like Derry, Maine from It?

[saito34]

Baby on board

[ben0119]

The whole revolution thing is still a bit of a stretch for me.  For most of the show there was no hint of any revolution and then it was suddenly introduced and had apparently been going on for years haha.

[ben0119]

That douche bag Celestial Dragon.

So Sabo survived that and got rescued by Dragon.

Oh no not THAT guy!  He's on Dragon's crew?!

Damn it not amnesia again!

Sabo still instinctively remembers he came from a shithole haha.

[Dark_Cloud_Overhead]

4 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

The whole revolution thing is still a bit of a stretch for me.  For most of the show there was no hint of any revolution and then it was suddenly introduced and had apparently been going on for years haha.

Mmm, that may be, but gotta keep in mind it's a big world and the show mostly just follows Luffy and his crew's adventures, so it might not be there's a full blown revolution going on exactly, but not hard to believe there would be revolutionaries out there who actively oppose the world government still.

[ben0119]

Wait, they're going to rebuild everything using regular labor??  So Mansherry can't repair the buildings after all?!  Plus the geography is still rearranged from what Pika did!

Gotta chain up Cabbage for everyone's safety LOL.

I can't believe his signature weapon is a fucking pipe. 🤣

[DangerMouse]

LOL

[ben0119]

4 minutes ago, Dark_Cloud_Overhead said:

Mmm, that may be, but gotta keep in mind it's a big world and the show mostly just follows Luffy and his crew's adventures, so it might not be there's a full blown revolution going on exactly, but not hard to believe there would be revolutionaries out there who actively oppose the world government still.

Nah, it was depicted as an active war going on, not just opposing the government, but just coincidentally and conveniently not happening anywhere in the world we had already seen haha.  No one ever mentions it either. 

And here's another battle.  I wasn't even expecting that in this episode hahaha.

[ben0119]

So that's how Sabo got his memories back.  It sucks he couldn't have come across Ace or heard news about him before that happened.  Man, stuff like this is why amnesia is a major pet peeve trope for me haha.

[Top Gun]

52 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

Nah, it was depicted as an active war going on, not just opposing the government, but just coincidentally and conveniently not happening anywhere in the world we had already seen haha.  No one ever mentions it either. 

And here's another battle.  I wasn't even expecting that in this episode hahaha.

Remember that the One Piece world mostly consists of isolated islands separated by very large and very dangerous swaths of ocean, so it's a long and difficult trip between them. The Revolutionary Army would be more properly classed as a guerrilla group. They gather intel on and attempt to sabotage shady World Government activities, and they provide assistance to nations that try to rebel against the powers that be. They're a thorn in the World Government's side, but at least at this point hey don't have the manpower to pose a legitimate threat to its overall control. They get introduced fairly early on in the series (I have zero memory as to exactly when), but I think this was the first extended glimpse we got of how they operate.

[ben0119]

4 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

Remember that the One Piece world mostly consists of isolated islands separated by very large and very dangerous swaths of ocean, so it's a long and difficult trip between them. The Revolutionary Army would be more properly classed as a guerrilla group. They gather intel on and attempt to sabotage shady World Government activities, and they provide assistance to nations that try to rebel against the powers that be. They're a thorn in the World Government's side, but at least at this point hey don't have the manpower to pose a legitimate threat to its overall control. They get introduced fairly early on in the series (I have zero memory as to exactly when), but I think this was the first extended glimpse we got of how they operate.

Dragon was introduced or at least had a cameo decently early.  But we didn't find out about the revolutionary army or any revolutions until at least well over a hundred episodes in, if not much more.  (And I probably can't look up the episode number without risking running into spoilers.)

I don't remember exactly when either, but it wasn't until after Alabasta at least.  Several arcs had happened and many locations were visited and there was never any hint of any revolution.  I wouldn't call that early in just because the show has over a thousand episodes.

I may have misinterpreted what I saw before, but when we got to see glimpses of what was going on with the revolutionary army before, it seemed Iike full scale war was being waged.  Maybe that was one of the countries you mentioned and the revolutionary army was just helping them.  

[DangerMouse]

2 hours ago, ben0119 said:

So that's how Sabo got his memories back.  It sucks he couldn't have come across Ace or heard news about him before that happened.  Man, stuff like this is why amnesia is a major pet peeve trope for me haha.

Yeah, sometimes it can at least be done decently, or effectively at the beginning of a story, but often they suck.

Since you mention it became a major pet peeve trope for you, I think one of the first more frustrating instances of it for me as a viewer that I still remember was the short amnesia set of eps in the otherwise mostly really good show

Spoiler

Scrapped Princess

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Fantastic show, but the one part I didn't like was the short amnesia arc around the beginning of the second half.

Technically vague spoilers, but kept vague enough to not give anything away at all. Not only did purposefully leaving that character like that without really trying to help them remember ASAP go against that character's previously stated personal wishes (even if it's about unselfishly letting them live a normal life briefly for a short time), but a couple of one-time character crossings happen during it that mean more to the audience than the character due to it. The decent respite and bits of comedy of the mini-arc weren't really worth it, but it was only like 4 eps out of 26 so at least it didn't ruin anything either, just a shame more could have been done during that part. Otherwise another strong BONES show.

 

Still remember I originally got into this show thanks to it being another beautiful looking BONES action show after FMA that filled that void by following a cool main trio of characters having a similar sibling relationship as Ed and Al as the backbone of the beginning of the show. The mix of high fantasy and scifi was awesome.

Edit: Looking it up just now also reminded me it had a fucking stacked dub cast Kari Wahlgren, Crispin Freeman, Bridget Hoffman, Steve Blum, Kate Higgins, Michelle Ruff, Steve Staley, and Yuri Lowenthal all having major roles and more. Holy shit, no wonder I recall the impression of the dub being really good despite seeing the series only one time through so long ago that I can't specifically remember it anymore and could use a rewatch one of these days.

 

Edited Sunday at 09:01 AM by DangerMouse

[CorbeauKarasu]

14 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Nah, it was depicted as an active war going on, not just opposing the government, but just coincidentally and conveniently not happening anywhere in the world we had already seen haha.  No one ever mentions it either. 

And here's another battle.  I wasn't even expecting that in this episode hahaha.

i wouldnt say most of the show. they introduced the concept of the revolutionary army right after ennies lobby and how it was a major player on the world stage

[Top Gun]

14 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Dragon was introduced or at least had a cameo decently early.  But we didn't find out about the revolutionary army or any revolutions until at least well over a hundred episodes in, if not much more.  (And I probably can't look up the episode number without risking running into spoilers.)

I don't remember exactly when either, but it wasn't until after Alabasta at least.  Several arcs had happened and many locations were visited and there was never any hint of any revolution.  I wouldn't call that early in just because the show has over a thousand episodes.

I may have misinterpreted what I saw before, but when we got to see glimpses of what was going on with the revolutionary army before, it seemed Iike full scale war was being waged.  Maybe that was one of the countries you mentioned and the revolutionary army was just helping them.  

I've been continuously watching this show since 2007-ish. Alabasta is definitely early on as far as I'm concerned. 

Like I said, it's a big world and the Revolutionary Army isn't a massive group. They can affect individual nations with their actions, but they can't fight all over the world at once. We didn't see them in action early in the series because the Straw Hats never visited any islands where they were active. That's how Oda handles things for most bigger ongoing story elements: he sneaks in a few peeks at them earlier on, then elaborates on them more in depth much later. The first glimpse we got of the revolutionaries was Dragon in Loguetown (though the audience had no idea what to make of him), then at some point the army got introduced as a broader concept, then here in Dressrosa we got to spend extended time with their members, and then...other stuff happens later. 

Speaking of, Oda stuck in a fun clue about Sabo being alive before he showed up in Dressrosa. I don't remember if it made the anime, but one of the manga cover pages showed Whitebeard and Ace's graves with three sake cups placed in front of the latter, and there's only one person who could have done that.