scoobdog Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 Just now, smiradenius said: Stained glass windows from one house, a chandelier from another, wainscoting from another, seasoned floor joists from another... until you have all the complete makings of a house. It's still up to you to arrange and assemble it all. Stained glass windows and chandeliers are artistic elements you did not create. Everything else is raw building material with no real artistic value on its own. The architect is arranging everything and is considered the artist, not the contractor who assembles everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 3 hours ago, smiradenius said: Dude, what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 1 hour ago, scoobdog said: Because AI is not capable of processing a visual cue, as in a computer can’t actually frame or otherwise stage a visual prompt it can then convert into a processed image, it is inherently incapable of creating an image without “stealing” its prompts. You don’t need to prove where an image was stolen from: as long as the end product of the AI does not explicitly state the visual prompts in addition to your written prompts, it is factually stolen. See, you lose me at stolen since it is being altered to a significant degree. It doesn't matter how well it was put together or if it's a computer. The transformative element is what I care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 (edited) 55 minutes ago, scoobdog said: Even if you use an art style you did not create yourself, your work is no longer art. That's an insane thing to claim. I guess no anime with the commonly accepted "anime" art style is art if it wasn't the first one? We have art museums that buy a canvas with a dot on it for a million dollars. The amount of effort a human puts in is irrelevant to whether or not something is art. Humans make bad, lazy art all the time. Art can be criticized on its merits and it's lazy criticism to make it about the tool rather than the use. Edited November 23 by naraku360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 "I'm not unemployed. I resigned. There's a difference." I really thought cigarette smoke having no smell was the absolute stupidest thing this clown could ever say, but I can't even believe that AI took it on the chin and wrote that shit out. It's supposed to be learning but this dipderp is going to play an integral role in making it stupider. The mold is quietly gumming up the few still firing synapses left in that Clorox and ammonia addled grey matter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 2 minutes ago, André Toulon said: "I'm not unemployed. I resigned. There's a difference." I really thought cigarette smoke having no smell was the absolute stupidest thing this clown could ever say, but I can't even believe that AI took it on the chin and wrote that shit out. It's supposed to be learning but this dipderp is going to play an integral role in making it stupider. The mold is quietly gumming up the few still firing synapses left in that Clorox and ammonia addled grey matter. Ai did not write the caption. I did. Anyway, unemployment is when a person is involuntarily pushed out of his job, whether by layoff, plant closure, pandemic restrictions or just flat out fired for gross incompetence. What did I do? I took a six month medical leave of absence and then surprised everybody with a resignation that was all my own idea. I still have an income, however and it's all set to rise by more than fifty percent within the next eight months. So, I'm not unemployed. I'm effectively retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 4 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: I remember this. What happened? His brother sell the place and kick him tf out? Cuz I def remember him saying some shit that his brother was owner in name only and that it was his condo, house or whatever. Packard must be pretty jealous of his brother when he found out that owning something in name is the only thing that matters Oh he was talking big cash shit. Even posted his Experian credit score for us. His brother used the fact that packman has never bought anything over $100 to his advantage and has him sign his name to some shit he could abandon at any minute. We are now ask to believe the brother who couldn't obtain credit anywhere, probably due to being high risk, paid off the property and Kenny turned it over to him but I'm sure what actually happened is far more shiesty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 3 minutes ago, André Toulon said: Oh he was talking big cash shit. Even posted his Experian credit score for us. His brother used the fact that packman has never bought anything over $100 to his advantage and has him sign his name to some shit he could abandon at any minute. We are now ask to believe the brother who couldn't obtain credit anywhere, probably due to being high risk, paid off the property and Kenny turned it over to him but I'm sure what actually happened is far more shiesty. Things change. His credit rating has improved, his investments have risen in value and he has a better job. He's in much better shape now than a few years ago. I'm happy for him. As it turns out, he didn't abandon the house, he's still in it and wants to sell it now that I'm signing a quit claim. I lost nothing on this and my credit rating has just shot up another five points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 12 minutes ago, smiradenius said: So, I'm not unemployed. I'm effectively retired. So, you're not employed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 So this clown can't read either. I literally said that he said the stupid shit and AI wrote it out but he can't follow the bread crumbs long enough to grasp any form of context. He also said he found something better, but now it's retirement. Bro moves goalposts more than he smokes. That's when this shit gets old. But frankly, I'm glad y'all kept him entertained....Lord knows what he might do if no one talked to him....even now I see he just responded to me. So desperate... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 24 minutes ago, naraku360 said: So, you're not employed? What makes retirement the same as being unemployed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 25 minutes ago, André Toulon said: So this clown can't read either. I literally said that he said the stupid shit and AI wrote it out but he can't follow the bread crumbs long enough to grasp any form of context. He also said he found something better, but now it's retirement. Bro moves goalposts more than he smokes. That's when this shit gets old. But frankly, I'm glad y'all kept him entertained....Lord knows what he might do if no one talked to him....even now I see he just responded to me. So desperate... Retirement IS better than chasing a job five days a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 28 minutes ago, André Toulon said: So this clown can't read either. I literally said that he said the stupid shit and AI wrote it out but he can't follow the bread crumbs long enough to grasp any form of context. He also said he found something better, but now it's retirement. Bro moves goalposts more than he smokes. That's when this shit gets old. But frankly, I'm glad y'all kept him entertained....Lord knows what he might do if no one talked to him....even now I see he just responded to me. So desperate... i thought this character was dead. but here we are. look...we wanted some entertainment. we just summoned the wrong clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 2 minutes ago, discolé monade said: i thought this character was dead. but here we are. look...we wanted some entertainment. we just summoned the wrong clown. Surprise! Wait... that's not my Ai, but it sure fits right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 19 minutes ago, smiradenius said: What makes retirement the same as being unemployed? Not being employed....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 Yeah, I understand now what I’m calling the “packard cycle” Step one, he says batshit stuff with batshit arguments, and you think you’ve hit a canker sore gold mine. It hurts and you shouldn’t do it, but your tongue keeps slapping that spot. Step two, it gets infected and you want it to go away, but that shit still hurts. Step three, pork chops. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 43 minutes ago, discolé monade said: i thought this character was dead. but here we are. look...we wanted some entertainment. we just summoned the wrong clown. When the workman's comp ....I mean, the settlement runs out he'll be greeting at Walmart and we'll be rid of him again 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 33 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Not being employed....? If that's how you want to view it. I view it as a long sought after freedom. It's not like I was pushed out with no options. I have options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 5 minutes ago, André Toulon said: When the workman's comp ....I mean, the settlement runs out he'll be greeting at Walmart and we'll be rid of him again My income is set for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 17 minutes ago, smiradenius said: If that's how you want to view it. I view it as a long sought after freedom. It's not like I was pushed out with no options. I have options. List them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SwimOdin said: List them Whatever crazy idea crosses my mind. My calendar is wide open. From now forward, it's always Friday at 5:00 pm. If I decide on something like going to a trade school to learn a few things about electronics, who is going to stop me? It's not like I have to balance and juggle class time vs. work time. Edited November 23 by smiradenius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 43 minutes ago, André Toulon said: When the workman's comp ....I mean, the settlement runs out he'll be greeting at Walmart and we'll be rid of him again j.g. wentworth. amirite? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 6 minutes ago, discolé monade said: j.g. wentworth. amirite? Well, I do like the part where he promised to be dead in a couple of years. Set for life, lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 1 hour ago, smiradenius said: Whatever crazy idea crosses my mind. My calendar is wide open. From now forward, it's always Friday at 5:00 pm. If I decide on something like going to a trade school to learn a few things about electronics, who is going to stop me? It's not like I have to balance and juggle class time vs. work time. I don’t believe you, and that’s ok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 3 hours ago, naraku360 said: That's an insane thing to claim. I guess no anime with the commonly accepted "anime" art style is art if it wasn't the first one? We have art museums that buy a canvas with a dot on it for a million dollars. The amount of effort a human puts in is irrelevant to whether or not something is art. Humans make bad, lazy art all the time. Art can be criticized on its merits and it's lazy criticism to make it about the tool rather than the use. "Anime" isn't an art style, it's a loosely defined sub genre of animation. As far as quality of art, that's an unrelated discussion - there is a lot of bad art out there, but it is still art and making money off lazy or bad art is tangential to the greater question of what art is and what purpose it serves. When people criticize AI art, it's important to distinguish between the piece and the medium, which is what AI is. If one does criticize the medium, that precludes the quality of the work. Criticizing the actual piece is only possible when compared to other pieces in that medium, which is really hard because there is very little actual AI art out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 1 hour ago, discolé monade said: j.g. wentworth. amirite? Oh look, it worked. Imagine that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 4 hours ago, naraku360 said: See, you lose me at stolen since it is being altered to a significant degree. It doesn't matter how well it was put together or if it's a computer. The transformative element is what I care about. As someone who has used Photoshop and Illustrator for over two and half decades, I'm well aware of the purpose of a computer as a tool. The integration of AI elements (to an annoying degree I might add) into these programs has been mostly seamless because the AI operates as a tool. It be more correct to call it machine learning because it simplifies and automates processes that are not expressly creative but are integral to the transformation of the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 4 hours ago, smiradenius said: From now forward, it's always Friday at 5:00 pm. Uh oh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 22 hours ago, smiradenius said: All this, and there aren't any unpaid bills in my desk. I don't have any unpaid bills either but you don't see me posting a 9 fingered Dr. Demento. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[classic swim] Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 1 minute ago, [classic swim] said: Oh my God, this makes Hiroshima after the bomb look like heaven. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 11 hours ago, smiradenius said: Yet, you STILL can't point out WHERE any of this had been stolen from, whether in copyright or style. Thanks for playing. The landscaping AI 'art' you posted pulled from 5 different sci-fi pulp covers using a modified pull from a photo of the Rainbow Natural Bridge in Utah as the frame and to set the color pallet. All of which were important to the learning program in order for it to 'build' the 'new' picture but none of which were credited in the creation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 (edited) 3 hours ago, scoobdog said: "Anime" isn't an art style, it's a loosely defined sub genre of animation. There's a style commonly associated with anime, though. Are you going to pretend Avatar the Last Airbender and Teen Titans, which are openly anime-inspired, have no stylistic imitation? Are you going to claim any show that has the Family Guy or Steven Universe art styles aren't art, despite the fact adult western cartoons often look just like Family Guy and "Cal-Arts" is literally used derisively in animation circles for their style taking over western cartoons? Whether the imitations are of high or low quality does not change if they are art. Edited November 24 by naraku360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 1 hour ago, katt_goddess said: The landscaping AI 'art' you posted pulled from 5 different sci-fi pulp covers using a modified pull from a photo of the Rainbow Natural Bridge in Utah as the frame and to set the color pallet. All of which were important to the learning program in order for it to 'build' the 'new' picture but none of which were credited in the creation. All you're trying to support here is a notion that Garfield is a cheap ripoff of Fritz the Cat and Fat Freddy's Cat just because all three have stripes and big eyes. Anyway, I'd sure like to visit Utah now and see how things levitate above a bridge. Is the bridge even there at all? Are there any structures, whether real or in sci fi illustrations that look precisely like what I had posted here? Do you even know whether the levitating thing in my post is an addition brought by the Ai or just something I have nailed to the wall here? You don't have any way of knowing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 2 hours ago, katt_goddess said: I don't have any unpaid bills either but you don't see me posting a 9 fingered Dr. Demento. What did you expect? Ai does often have a hard time rendering hands. You might think it could render a perfect hand every time on the level of Da Vinci when given access to so many billions of hand samples to pilfer "without giving due credit". Ai seems to be taking a lot of liberties in its fabrications resulting in unique fabrications that can't be found anywhere else. So, you see a nine fingered Barret Hanson instead of a perfect one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, [classic swim] said: Pass on this one and yes, you can actually say it was a failure this time. Scroll down and see the finished reply. Edited November 24 by smiradenius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 (edited) 3 hours ago, [classic swim] said: JFC, I've somehow never seen this. Wtf is even happening. Ooh, let's talk about ridiculous shit he's posted. Like that time he posted himself in a cat mask singing take me out to the ball game. Or thanksgiving at his mom's house with indiscernible food, and grey meatballs that looked like it was made of ground cow hearts. Oh shit, the pic of him with a gun that he's holding like a 4 year old with his first pop cork gun. Remember when he posted a baggage claim ticket as proof that he went on a trip. I totally wish I wanted to put in the effort of the shopped photo of him at a Nazi furry party but I might get banned for reposting that. That was back when it was ok to steal images. Edited November 24 by André Toulon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 2 hours ago, [classic swim] said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Holy shit, that time he posted an electric schematic trying to own me, a former EET major but he drew open circuits with a lightbulb at the far end with spidey sense over it to indicate power, but it would never get power because the battery was behind 2 open circuits ...one that had no business even being there. Or that giant trench coat he got from salvation army that could fit the blob but he, a scrawny man of about 5'5 was going to wear it because it was a quality find. This dude is just a perpetual failure machine. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Lol and now an impromptu double post😆 Fucking gold 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 And still not quick enough with that edit. Already saw you fail 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 2 minutes ago, André Toulon said: Holy shit, that time he posted an electric schematic trying to own me, a former EET major but he drew open circuits with a lightbulb at the far end with spidey sense over it to indicate power, but it would never get power because the battery was behind 2 open circuits ...one that had no business even being there. Or that giant trench coat he got from salvation army that could fit the blob but he, a scrawny man of about 5'5 was going to wear it because it was a quality find. This dude is just a perpetual failure machine. H H = H HL = L LH = L LL = L What is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 1 minute ago, André Toulon said: And still not quick enough with that edit. Already saw you fail Good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Insipid Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 14 minutes ago, smiradenius said: Pass on this one and yes, you can actually say it was a failure this time. Scroll down and see the finished reply. What the fuck was that supposed to be? Gyudon? I've never seen it that runny before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 I'm so glad I decided to log in instead of playing WoWR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[classic swim] Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 16 minutes ago, André Toulon said: Like that time he posted himself in a cat mask singing take me out to the ball game. What a guy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 That time he suggested we bring back gas chambers...the actual comment got deleted and I'm almost sure he caught a ban 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 (edited) 27 minutes ago, André Toulon said: Holy shit, that time he posted an electric schematic trying to own me, a former EET major but he drew open circuits with a lightbulb at the far end with spidey sense over it to indicate power, but it would never get power because the battery was behind 2 open circuits ...one that had no business even being there. Or that giant trench coat he got from salvation army that could fit the blob but he, a scrawny man of about 5'5 was going to wear it because it was a quality find. This dude is just a perpetual failure machine. It wasn't even a bulb, Mister Engineer. A bulb has an entirely different shape in a schematic than an LED. The LED has two arrows printed above it to indicate light, not energy AND to distinguish it from a non light emitting diode. But since you don't know how to read a hand drawn schematic, I'll show you one from a book. Also, when you see "+4.5v" followed by a straight line leading to an LED in a schematic, followed by another straight line leading away from the LED to a ground symbol, that is NOT an option circuit. It demonstrates a flow between positive and ground. This is useful in circuits with multiple ground connections at various points in a complex circuit. Edited November 24 by smiradenius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Lol, he's just so adamant in being stupid. He doesn't remember he drew it himself in a napkin or some shit...IDK what he's trying to prove now but I'm sure it's going to be part of a huge failure 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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