An Important Question about Pokemon

[GuyBeardmane]

Some basic history to establish where I'm going with this subject: In the pokemon universe, the creatures that exist there are capable of being turned into data and stored in pokeballs.  This is why the PC system works, and why the original genetic engineering that created Mewtwo was not attempted when scientists created Porygon.  There also exists a computer virus called Pokerus that allows Pokemon to get double the effort points used when leveling up Effort Values.  This is important outside of the universe of the game as well.  Competitive battlers like to breed and train pokemon for the maximum Individual Values, Effort Values, and nature so they can have the best competitively viable team.  There is an esports league that hosts the Pokemon World Championship tournament with the winner getting $10,000.

With all of this exposition, now we get to the question: in the Pokemon universe, how many pokemon are actually real creatures?  According to different books you'll find, there are historic recollections of humans and pokemon living side by side for thousands of years.  There are even fossilized pokemon, which means there have been pokemon since prehistory.  But when we add increasing technology to the mix, you have to wonder how many of these pokemon were just programs written by people who wanted to see a bigger, stronger, or sexier pokemon?  Think about Charizard X and Y.  Originally we only had Charizard, but then Mega-Evolution was "discovered" for certain pokemon.  What if Mega-Evolution was just people toying around with the code of their Charizard wanting to find a cooler looking Charizard?  What about the Alolan and Galarian forms of pokemon?  Were these just regular mons that were re-written to look different?  And even the fairy-type.  Did some programmer just say "You know what, I want to invent a type of pokemon that's immune to Dragon type because they're too strong and also my waifu-mon Gardevoir is gonna be this type" and come up with a way to re-type certain pokemon as well as create a few that are this new type?  They know they've got the capability, considering they've created the PC system and Porygon.  How long before someone just decides to create a Pokemon with no weaknesses and take over the world?

[cyberbully]

2 hours ago, GuyBeardmane said:

How long before someone just decides to create a Pokemon with no weaknesses and take over the world?

Somewhere after someone finally accepts hacked pokemon as competition ready but before adults realize they don't have to do what children say after being beaten in a pet battle with sanctions and cups.

 

[GuyBeardmane]

1 hour ago, cyberbully said:

Somewhere after someone finally accepts hacked pokemon as competition ready but before adults realize they don't have to do what children say after being beaten in a pet battle with sanctions and cups.

 

This is an extremely likely and viable answer.  The first person who slaps a kid and takes their pokeballs after losing a match is going to conquer the world.

[rpgamer]

The only thing I've ever wanted to know is what climatological effects water Pokemon have by just creating water out of nothing.

[Seight]

Spoiler

My man, this is very nearly the main plot point to the Detective Pikachu movie

 

[PhilosipherStoned]

Then explain to me how some fool named Kurt made them out of apricorns with a fucking log cabin lookin' set up. I have to go to sleep, but I'm sure if you just googled or surfed the "poketubers" out there you'd get somewhere... Of course  that science hasn't ever really been explained ever by the company itself as far as I know..

Edited April 16, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[PhilosipherStoned]

For now.. I hope this helps and reminds people of the darker side of pokemon.. Half of the real protagonist's pokemon actually died, and he just gets stronger pokemon friends that further the story like a normal anime.. 

[PhilosipherStoned]

They get shrunk.. I think the manga actually has some bigger mons looking kind of stuffed in there.. 

Edited April 16, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[PhilosipherStoned]

[PhilosipherStoned]

So at least originally it was suppose to operate off of "honey I shrunk the kids technology". Like I said go through some pokemon history and the 'americanization' all the brands made "Mr. pokemons" braingasm go through...Pretty much 3/4 of the creator of pokemon's story, tone, and ideas were lost through it being sindicated worldwide.. 

Edited April 16, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[rpgamer]

Also realizing this comes pretty close to the classic Star Trek transporter cloning debate. Does the pokeball literally kill the pokemon in the process of digitizing them?

And if pokemon have to be turned into data to be stored, how are they any better than digimon?

[PhilosipherStoned]

7 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

Also realizing this comes pretty close to the classic Star Trek transporter cloning debate. Does the pokeball literally kill the pokemon in the process of digitizing them?

And if pokemon have to be turned into data to be stored, how are they any better than digimon?

Can someone give me the bit from a pokemon affiliate that actually says it digitizes them... I  mean I think I might have heard that from a game npc before or I might have heard it used in the failame "anime"...but I can't remember if so. Like I said I remember Kurt in the Gold/silver/crystal phase gave a lot of info in the games about pokeballs, and crafted all the customs initially like friend balls, moon balls etc..

Edited April 16, 2020 by PhilosipherStoned

[Raptorpat]

20 hours ago, GuyBeardmane said:

Think about Charizard X and Y.  Originally we only had Charizard, but then Mega-Evolution was "discovered" for certain pokemon.  What if Mega-Evolution was just people toying around with the code of their Charizard wanting to find a cooler looking Charizard? 

Kinda silly but the in-game rationale for both mega evolution (and the remake itself) in oras is that the games take place in an alternate universe to the original games without mega evolution.

[GuyBeardmane]

8 hours ago, Admin_Raptorpat said:

Kinda silly but the in-game rationale for both mega evolution (and the remake itself) in oras is that the games take place in an alternate universe to the original games without mega evolution.

To go full meta with that scenario, though, what if our universe where Pokemon is just a video game is one of those alternate universes?  Pokemon exist, and there are people who have found ways to hack the game to create designer pokemon with full IVs, shiny variants, and the specific moves they want.  It's b-a-n-a-n-a-s.

[Lasty]

On 4/15/2020 at 11:41 AM, GuyBeardmane said:

Some basic history to establish where I'm going with this subject: In the pokemon universe, the creatures that exist there are capable of being turned into data and stored in pokeballs.  This is why the PC system works, and why the original genetic engineering that created Mewtwo was not attempted when scientists created Porygon.  There also exists a computer virus called Pokerus that allows Pokemon to get double the effort points used when leveling up Effort Values.  This is important outside of the universe of the game as well.  Competitive battlers like to breed and train pokemon for the maximum Individual Values, Effort Values, and nature so they can have the best competitively viable team.  There is an esports league that hosts the Pokemon World Championship tournament with the winner getting $10,000.

With all of this exposition, now we get to the question: in the Pokemon universe, how many pokemon are actually real creatures?  According to different books you'll find, there are historic recollections of humans and pokemon living side by side for thousands of years.  There are even fossilized pokemon, which means there have been pokemon since prehistory.  But when we add increasing technology to the mix, you have to wonder how many of these pokemon were just programs written by people who wanted to see a bigger, stronger, or sexier pokemon?  Think about Charizard X and Y.  Originally we only had Charizard, but then Mega-Evolution was "discovered" for certain pokemon.  What if Mega-Evolution was just people toying around with the code of their Charizard wanting to find a cooler looking Charizard?  What about the Alolan and Galarian forms of pokemon?  Were these just regular mons that were re-written to look different?  And even the fairy-type.  Did some programmer just say "You know what, I want to invent a type of pokemon that's immune to Dragon type because they're too strong and also my waifu-mon Gardevoir is gonna be this type" and come up with a way to re-type certain pokemon as well as create a few that are this new type?  They know they've got the capability, considering they've created the PC system and Porygon.  How long before someone just decides to create a Pokemon with no weaknesses and take over the world?

Because if Pokecode can be re-written, then weaknesses can be subsequently written into any potential "god mode" Pokemon, or a second god mode pokemon who wants the world to be free can be made to counter it sort of like Stormo from Adventure Time. Maybe Ash's Pikachu was created by Professor Oak to be a Tsundere companion who learned to trust Ash in a capacity that would take advantage of Mewtwo's only weakness - feels? (since he can't be caught in a pokeball outside of the video games)

Edited April 17, 2020 by Lasty